How to proceed from here? (Deity, Hatshepsut)

[Seraiel]

@Seraiel

I wanted to resist but just i cant, i can imagine that you take Longbows with WC + Cats / WE + Cats but this is just uneffcien and you loose so many cats that you probably end this "rush" when everyone willl be hitting Rifling .
I can imagine that you are taking out 3 civs with WCs but on marathon/epic not freaking standard/normal. I dont know waht settings you used to do this, for sure not standard. 2 civs ok its definetly doable but not 3.

But this


What are you smokeing brou

Look at the 880 AD Domination victory I played with Hatty 2 years ago, it can be found in the HoF, it has the same settings, so I know what I'm talking of. I'm no specialist in efficiency, but 880 AD isn't a bad finish time, and I won that game with Elephants, War Chariots and Catapults, I even conquered 4 civs with the last two. I just think, that Revent has 14 War Chariots. if he adds 10 Catapults and (later) 3-4 Elephants, that's a big stack. I still remember that I needed something like 20 War Chariots (don't know if I used Catapults) against the stack of the 4th civ, I think if he attacked her with those numbers, that he should easily conquer her with them.

 

[yyeah]

@Seraiel

Yea i looked at this save and lloks like you used WCs+ cats/wes to kill 3th but yea even if you kill 3 civs only with WCs w/e.
You have high see lvl Pangaea with 10 civs and no warmogers.
Every civ have 3-4 cities. So plz dont compere it to 8 cities Budica becouse this is diferent story.
Know your enemy right ?

Look, this is Budica "Engi" stack.

Spoiler :

You can say that she was at war etc. OK cut it and take it with cats.

@civfanchambers

Well iam not thinking about WEs witch are great unit and working good agains cuirs too becouse at this point WEs are good promoted. But cats cant go through Castels and have totaly crap i would say NO odds agains knights, maces.
How many cats you would need to take tou castle city with lets say 8 defenders ...
20-30 ? 10 promoted to bombard , another 10 you loose trying to take out this city, wheres efficiency here.

Engi is end for cats. They arnt efficient even against Longbows not mention freaking castels, maces and knights.

efficiency meens that you have winning odds

Edit.
I can even show you what is efficiency

Spoiler :

@ Revent

If you ask me i would change to farms that north 2 in Indian Capitol, and this 1 in Holyhindu, let holy Hindu work this farms. I would leave rest.
Ive made HE in Holy Hindu , not bad spot.

 

[yyeah]

1600AD Dom/Conq.
Nice map Ty for posting didnt play Conq/Dom for a while so was fun
GG

 

[Izuul]

Efficiency doesn't really mean even odds. Efficiency needs to be evaluated in more detail and on a case to case basis. Even if your initial attacker has terrible odds you can still efficiently capture the city if it has few defenders or if the other defenders beyond the top guy are weak.

And i really hate to get into this again, but it's extremely difficult to compare HoF tactics to a random forum game. I'm really not trying to lessen the accomplishments of Seraiel and the other fantastic HoF players that have played some of the best games ever seen around here, but their dom/conquest games aren't likely to have Boudica with like 8 cities. It's much more likely you will see Gandhi, Asoka, Lincoln, etc with maybe 5 cities. Not only that, but a random player on here isn't going to be building a stack or attacking as efficiently and with as much planning as a HoF player. Where a HoF player might attack with X units at 500 BC, a random forum player with less Civ 4 experience and spending much less time on micro and such is probably going to do it 500 years later and will be facing a completely different opposition.

 

[Revent]

1AD save. I'm doing quite well actually. (I think so at least)

Spoiler :

Going for the standard Cuir rush I think. I've HUGELY underestimated the workers required for when dealing with jungles. I normally let the AI build it first.

 

[Revent]

This wraps it up! Was not very hard once most of the AI were in Buddhism

Spoiler :

 

[Seraiel]

@ yyeah: Going to war against a civ's full stack, even if it was at war before, so has tons of troops, is not intelligent. Bribe her against another civ, then she moves her stack, and you backstab her, and take all her cities. Bribing another civ against her is even better, because then, the diplo-malus is against her, not the civ you might wanna trade with later.

@ Revent: Congratiulations. You could have had an excellent Domination or Conquest victory, and you cheesed it *sighs* . Guess you just really wanted to have your first Deity win... Try to have higher goals next time. And don't cap a civ that has 2 cities, you get shared diplomatic stance, so all your trading possibilities get ruined for the rest of the game, unless they're also friendly towards your vassal, and a 2-city-vassal is to weak to contribute anything for you. Cap, to win a game, not only because you have the chance.

Gratz on your first Deity-victory though, so well done.

 

[Benginal]

Well done Revent! Do another!

 

[Revent]

Like you Seraiel, I felt underwhelmed with a diplomatic win

Spoiler :

After vassaling De Gaulle, I vassaled Jao too. All happened within 3-4 turns; took 3 cities, destroyed his stack and went straight for Kublai. Except this time I did not want to take peace from him so I destroyed him. Capping Willem was so I could move on to De Gaulle without delay because some of the AI were ready to research MT and I didn't want to waste time.

He got MT in the middle of the war, so I used up a GG to turn a Cuir into a super scout which was able to get into the heart of Kublai's territory and pillage his horse. I only fought 2 Cuirs during the entire war with him

After that, I was JUST under the domination limit so I tried demanding resources from Jao which caused him to declare war and I wiped him out. Few turns later, I hit the domination limit

Still not quite satisfied knowing Boudica is alive...but she has Rifles now and Cavalry.

@Benginal, thanks! I'll be putting up another fun game once I find one!

 

[SpK]

Once you were rolling you could have taken Boudica, would have been ugly, but doable...

Even just wiping out all her improvement means, if you need to, you could get peace, recover faster, and war again, especially with allies/vassals

Anywho, congratulations on the win

 

[yyeah]

@ Seraiel

Yea i bribed DeG and Khan agains her so her stack was isolated on middle of map, and i didnt have to deal with it so she was a cake walk.
Btw when you starting Replay 10 ?. I was thinking about map and, decided to give a try to beat WT too . Wanted something slower then normal speed.

@Revent
Gratz for your first deity win 1360 AD Conq/Dom is a good date.

 

[Revent]

I was not satisfied leaving Boudica alive, so I played on. Even with Deity bonuses, a 13 city AI can't out-tech someone with over 40 cities

Spoiler :

I played very inefficiently, at first I thought I'll discover everything and then kill Boudica, but she started building space parts, so I had 15 of my highest production cities start producing ICBM's, 10 producing modern armours, switched into slavery and went crazy.Scouted to find her stacks which were split up, 4 nukes per city and capped her

Thanks for all the help everyone! This was a VERY fun game!

 

[Seraiel]

@ Seraiel

Yea i bribed DeG and Khan agains her so her stack was isolated on middle of map, and i didnt have to deal with it so she was a cake walk.
Btw when you starting Replay 10 ?. I was thinking about map and, decided to give a try to beat WT too . Wanted something slower then normal speed.

Currently I only got little time unfortunately. If you take the slot by the time I start (which may be never, as it currently seems) , I'll take a different one.