HRE, a joke possibly?

[winddbourne]

It is getting kind of silly. I'd actually like to hear some response from firaxis, they can't be totally clueless that the forums here are blowing up under them. Between the byzantines, the Native Americans, and the HRE you could call it a thread riot! And that's not including the celts. lol

The marketing people at the very least should be worrying about this. The very fact that there are so many passionate threads against so many of their new civilizations should tell them something, even if they never read a single post.

The game should include civilizations people WANT, and that are fun. If your sending people into riots, debates, and fits with each new team . . . then your doing something very wrong.

I don't think any of us are going to debate THAT.

 

[Will9]

The level of complaing is getting stupid. There are 4 threads saying why the HRE shouldn't be in civ. It is turning into a spamfest with people posting the same arguements in mutiple threads.

I am 90% sure that Firaxis trying represent the Franks with the HRE. Could please wait tell we learn what the UU and UB are before you complain?

 

[Martinus]

What I like even more is a comment that HRE "controlled much of Eastern Europe".

Someone apparently didn't learn much of history or geography. Or at all. I mean WTH, school kids know how untrue this statement is.

 

[Mirc]

What I like even more is a comment that HRE "controlled much of Eastern Europe".

Someone apparently didn't learn much of history or geography. Or at all. I mean WTH, school kids know how untrue this statement is.

That's what I wondered too. How could they say something like that?

(and yeah, I did point it out myself in another thread, so it's true I'm repeating myself )

Edit: 9000th post!!!

 

[Rancid Sushi]

Awesome. I'll have to buy BTS so I can play HRE and crush all those nasty heathens. Hopefully Teutonic Knights will be the UU.

 

[winddbourne]

Thank you sushi, that is the FIRST post I've seen thus far saying anybody actually liked, or looked forward to playing one of these civilizations.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Awesome. I'll have to buy BTS so I can play HRE and crush all those nasty heathens. Hopefully Teutonic Knights will be the UU.

or i can play as someone else and crush those heathen HRE.

or take the awesome might of China and squash the HRE like a little bug.

 

[TheLastOne36]

in my game HRE is out no matter what you say. I'm gonna welcome the Byzantines even though i hated the idea. Native Americans i'm not to fund of either. I'm separating them to Sioux and Iroquois only and them i'm truly fine with the x-pack.

 

[Archduke Otto]

Thank you sushi, that is the FIRST post I've seen thus far saying anybody actually liked, or looked forward to playing one of these civilizations.

I'm looking forward to that, too. Squash the Chinese like a buck...

 

[cybrxkhan]

if anyone wants to try to squash the Chinese... well, first of all, your foot would be too small to squash all of them, and by the time you squash a good number, more Chinese would appear. for every dead at least 5-1000 appear.

 

[NYHunter]

Good point. But, remember when Firaxis release that survey after vanilla civ 4 was released? Maybe lots of people checked Holy Roman Empire. Just because the anti-HRE are very vocal does not mean anything. Also, there have been people defending HRE but they probably got sick of all the complaints and took their kids to the beach or something...

The game should include civilizations people WANT, and that are fun. If your sending people into riots, debates, and fits with each new team . . . then your doing something very wrong.

I don't think any of us are going to debate THAT.

 

[Pangur Bán]

After reading the chat again, I'm pretty certain they weren't joking. The comment about eastern Europe and Charlemagne's place as leader seem to confirm that the developers have simply made a historical error, i.e. they believe that the Frankish kingdom was the same as the Holy Roman Empire, which of course is false. There have been so many historical mistakes and inaccuracies in Civ 4 - it is now clearly one of the most historically inaccurate history games ever made - that they would probably do well to use their easily gotten millions to hire some historical advisers. Better still, they could do what Paradox do and consult the community on historical matters as well as having historical advisers.

 

[Tekee]

LOL the comment about East Europe haha that is soo funny
Really I thought Civ developers made a good job with Civ 4 history

Though maybe HRE is not too bad?
think about who you would want to meet in a Random game?
Like in Civ I would not like to meet Native Americans, Inca's or mayans or germans
But I would love to meet America, China, Russia, HRE
Germany is tooooo boring in normal game anyways

 

[matros]

I'm surprised to see so many people complaining abut HRE or other civs/leaders.

I was little disappointed too, because I would have liked to see Austria better (which is now not very probable), but honestly, that’s only because I’m from Slovakia, so it was the only chance I could see for example Pressburg (German name of Bratislava) on the map (of course you can rename cities, but… u no). And because I think Maria Theresa deserves to be in, but so does Charlemagne….

But my point is that, there are maybe 30 civs now in Civ4+expansions, right? And you know what? I have probably never played as Zulu or Persians, because I don’t like them… But I don’t mid that they are in. And I am sure many people love to play as one of them. There are so many great civs and leaders to choose from… Why be angry that one civ you don’t like is in the game? Some other people might like it.

Personally I’m glad that Baudica is in. Finally playing as Celts might be interesting. And honestly I like the idea of having one “native American” civ better than having all those minor tribes. And for those who like it the other way, you already had a chance playing Sioux and Iroquois in the past right? So why not try something different? It’s just a game…

 

[Scaramanga]

After reading the chat again, I'm pretty certain they weren't joking. The comment about eastern Europe and Charlemagne's place as leader seem to confirm that the developers have simply made a historical error, i.e. they believe that the Frankish kingdom was the same as the Holy Roman Empire, which of course is false. There have been so many historical mistakes and inaccuracies in Civ 4 - it is now clearly one of the most historically inaccurate history games ever made - that they would probably do well to use their easily gotten millions to hire some historical advisers. Better still, they could do what Paradox do and consult the community on historical matters as well as having historical advisers.

Well I know content in Wikipedia is not always taken seriously so this may not change people's minds still but here is the introduction from its article on the HRE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire):

The Holy Roman Empire was a mainly Germanic conglomeration of lands in Central Europe during the Middle Ages and the early modern period. It was also known as the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation from the late 15th century onwards.

It originated with the coronation of Charlemagne by Pope Leo III on Christmas Day, AD 800, and lasted until the abdication of Emperor Francis II in 1806 during the Napoleonic Wars. After the partition of the Frankish Empire by the Treaty of Verdun in 843, the de facto sovereignty of the Emperors became confined first to the central and later (and for most of the Empire's subsequent history) to the eastern portion of the former Frankish dominions.

At its post-Carolingian peak, the Holy Roman Empire encompassed the territories of present-day Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Belgium, and the Netherlands as well as large parts of modern Poland, France and Italy. At the time of its dissolution it consisted of its core German territories including Austria, the Czech Republic, and Slovenia, and smaller parts of Italy, Poland, and Croatia.

So Poles can rejoice! They are partly in the game.

 

[Will9]

Very little of Poland was ever withen the borders of the HRE.

 

[methane]

I'm surprised to see so many people complaining abut HRE or other civs/leaders.

But my point is that, there are maybe 30 civs now in Civ4+expansions, right? And you know what? I have probably never played as Zulu or Persians, because I don’t like them… But I don’t mid that they are in. And I am sure many people love to play as one of them. There are so many great civs and leaders to choose from… Why be angry that one civ you don’t like is in the game? Some other people might like it.

I'm not angry, but I am disappointed. One advantage civ has over other games is the feeling of replaying world history. I play versus random opponents, and when the odds favor over half the civs coming from Europe and the Middle East the game loses some appeal.

It doesn't affect the game mechanics, but the fact is you'll have games where the Celts, French, Romans, Holy Romans, and Germans are out at once when you could have had a game where the Kongo, French, Romans, Polynesians, and Germans are out. The second game has more interest in me, even though it might play exactly the same.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Germany is tooooo boring in normal game anyways

Why exactly?

 

[GIR]

Awesome. I'll have to buy BTS so I can play HRE and crush all those nasty heathens. Hopefully Teutonic Knights will be the UU.

hahaha
that's my man

 

[Rancid Sushi]

In Soviet Russia, heathens crush you!