Humanity is causing Global Warming, for sure.

On China, just wanted to note that they're planning on coal use plateauing for the next couple of years and then dropping, and they're also winding back support for their inefficient and electricity-intense aluminium sector. And their national carbon pricing scheme (a trading scheme) is due to start in 2016.

Chinese coal consumption actually seems to have dropped this year based on domestic production and import data (uncertainty over stockpiles remains0, which may sugegst peak coal consumption has already been reached there.
If that's all correct, that's certainly encouraging. I don't know how much I trust their GDP figures, but hopefully their overall carbon intensity has been falling at a faster rate than it has for other economies in the past.

I'm all in favor of my being overly pessimistic and reality working out better than anticipated. I've reached a stage in my thinking where I'd rather be wrong than right about a significant portion of what I believe.
 
They're targeting intensity falling a fair bit faster than BAU from Western industrial precedent. That would make sense just given technological change alone.

These targets are in the various five year plans but I think how successful it is will depend on how much the generally longer-sighted and more aloof policy setting of the central government can reel in the various recalcitrant and entrenched regional governments, their personal interests, and their web of State Owned Enterprises. Stuff like ongoing subsidy to aluminum smelters helps noone (economically) except the companies themselves and their local patrons, but winding them back has still been slow and difficult.
 
Almost everything we do generates heat. So far, I woke up and used my toaster to make toast. Heat generated. Had the air conditioner running. Heat generated. Took a bike ride to run some errands. Heat generated. And it is just 10 AM in the morning with the whole day to go.

I am sure I am going to contribute big time to global warming. :(:(
 
What they were saying if I understand it correctly is that their modelling doesn't produce the observed recent warming in 99,999 out of 100,000 runs. This us statistically significant, the assumption being that the models reflect the real world. In order to see if the model was accurate, they ran it against known historical climate data to see how it conformed.

The only way they could produce the 300+ months of above average global temperatures was by including anthropogenic carbon. Leave that out, and in 99.9% of the trials the climate system doesn't look like the one we see.

But currently according to the models we should have an even higher temperature than we have right now. The models predicted a continued rise in global temperatures that we don't see, even with rising CO2 levels

This has to be a joke. If anything is certain in science is that nothing is certain at all. Many of the most certain things in science are now considered junk. But lets have look at the actual study and not just an article written about it.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212096314000163
To conform to the approximate physical relationship between greenhouse gas concentration and temperature, eCO2 was converted to a radiative forcing value using the approximation f(eCO2) = 5.35 loge(eCO2/278) ( Myhre et al., 1998). These relationships also imply that temperature (in a closed system) increases linearly with the radiative forcing value of an input, suggesting that a multiple linear regression is a suitable approximation for modelling the global mean temperature anomaly. We examine the evidence for linearity in greater detail below. The correlations between the covariates are mostly small ( Fig. 3), and if they are recomputed over the period January 1950 to June 2010 when global mean temperature rises more dramatically, the 0.48 correlation between eCO2 and TSI reduces to 0.04. Thus one may interpret the magnitude of each regression coefficient as being mostly due to the effect of the variable to which it is associated. This issue is also explored further below. Finally, due to the fact that certain minor causal variables may have been omitted, and also because the monthly series of eCO2 and VOLRF were interpolated from the annual time series, it is likely that the residuals from such a regression model are serially correlated. Given this analysis is based on contemporary temperature records contingent with rapid human-caused perturbations of GHG emissions, it is likely that our analysis is only considering the causal effect of the growing emissions on mean global temperature and not the positive feedbacks known to occur over longer time-scales ( IPCC, 2007 and IPCC, 2013).
Look at all those bold words of certainty in this one paragraph. Are they implying a suggestion of approximation? The underline shows that it doesn't take the whole climate into context because the earth isn't a closed system. So what have they left out in their reasoning for this research?

But how truthful are the figures they are based on of the earth's temperature? http://joannenova.com.au/2014/09/bom-homogenisation-in-deniliquin-creates-discontinuities-and-changes-trends/
deniliquin-acorn-adjustments.jpg

The link links to an article behind a paywall, otherwise I would have linked directly to it, but it is quite clear we need to see how much data has been changed and not actually reflect the data really says.
 
hahahahaha how did I know ch would be donning the tinfoil hat about the Australian Bureau of bloody Meteorology

But hey respect the data you say? Tell us some more about dinosaurs and humans living side by side.
 
400,000 years ago we are 99.999% sure it was down to humans
A new study suggests that a warming period more than 400,000 years ago pushed the Greenland ice sheet past its stability threshold, resulting in a nearly complete deglaciation of southern Greenland and raising global sea levels some 4-6 meters.

The study is one of the first to zero in on how the vast Greenland ice sheet responded to warmer temperatures during that period, which were caused by changes in the Earth's orbit around the sun.

Results of the study, which was funded by the National Science Foundation, are being published this week in the journal Nature.

"The climate 400,000 years ago was not that much different than what we see today, or at least what is predicted for the end of the century," said Anders Carlson, an associate professor at Oregon State University and co-author on the study. "The forcing was different, but what is important is that the region crossed the threshold allowing the southern portion of the ice sheet to all but disappear.
The temperatures that long ago were similar to today but yet the temperatures nowadays are caused by humans?
 
But Entropy is (afaik this definition is accurate and workable) the degree of diminishment of ability in a system to change.
Roger Penrose gives a pretty good, if rather long-winded, explanation of Entropy from about 15 minutes into this video. I love the way he's still using OHPs in 2010. :)

But currently according to the models we should have an even higher temperature than we have right now. The models predicted a continued rise in global temperatures that we don't see, even with rising CO2 levels
You've obviously not been paying attention. It was discovered last year that most of the excess heat has been going into the oceans for the last decade or more, which explains the alleged 'plateau' in the global temperature anomaly - which relied on atmospheric temperature measurements. Or at least it would, if the plateau even existed - which it doesn't.

The temperatures that long ago were similar to today but yet the temperatures nowadays are caused by humans?
Global average temperatures have always gone up and down, C_H. Everyone knows this. The thing is that historically natural changes have taken very long time scales to occur and right now they are changing far, far faster than ever before, which is very worrying. In physics we call a rapid change of state a catastrophe you know.
 
You've obviously not been paying attention. It was discovered last year that most of the excess heat has been going into the oceans for the last decade or more, which explains the alleged 'plateau' in the global temperature anomaly - which relied on atmospheric temperature measurements. Or at least it would, if the plateau even existed - which it doesn't.

I think the really definitive papers showing the sequestration of the heat were just a month or two ago.

It was a really good finding, because alarmists and denialists aside, there was a really good question "where is the heat going?" Now that we can see where it's going, we can try to determine what size of buffer we have. Alarmists and denialists aside, it should be fairly easy for 'the middle' to see that we have a buffer that we're consuming. It's like another trust fund scenario, how do you consume it?
 
Well, this is a scientific issue, so I would certainly weight the near-unanimous consensus of climatologists much higher than the fact that there are a variety of journalists expressing skepticism (the majority writing for conservative sources like the National Review). But there are deep reasons that climate change skepticism has become so popular among conservatives over the last several years, and they go further than just

It’s actually interesting how this developed: it wasn’t much of a political issue until the early-to-mid 2000s; consensus was quite bipartisan before that. This seemed to change once conservatives started understanding something that Al Gore-style liberals don’t seem to get: carbon emissions are structural to our economy. Most of our energy comes from fossil fuel combustion, and renewables, while ramping up quickly, still have a long way to go and it’s uncertain how much of the modern economy they’ll be able to power even when fully developed in a few decades. I’m agnostic as to whether some mixture of solar, wind, and other renewables along with battery and other energy storage technology will manage to catch up and supplant fossil fuels as our primary energy source. They’re making progress quickly in percentage terms but are still not a huge part of the global energy picture.

The implication that comes out of climate change research is that global economic development, as we’re practicing it now, is going to throw us out of the relatively stable Holocene temperature plateau that has been experienced for the last 10,000 years. This sort of abrupt and severe climate change may overwhelm our ability to cope with it, especially in regards to agriculture (precipitation patterns will shift substantially and somewhat unpredictably) and low-lying terrain within a few meters of sea level. Our rate of carbon emissions worldwide is coupled to global economic growth, increasing at a similar pace (albeit slightly slower: carbon intensity tends to fall due to increased efficiency and renewable growth at higher GDPs). The conclusion that has to be made is that, despite all its benefits, fossil-fueled economic growth is a Faustian bargain that will cost (and is to some extent already costing) us dearly in the end.

The science on climate change really is unequivocal: releasing greenhouse gases at a rapid pace will increase the total thermal energy of the Earth system (oceans, ground, and atmosphere). Substantial uncertainties still exist as to the magnitude and speed of this change, and exactly how it will be distributed and what the effects will be. You’ll often see articles like this one in the National Review that exploit these uncertainties (inherent in any attempt to understand what happens when a variable is changed in an incredibly complex system) to argue that climate change science is dubious, or that climate change isn’t really a problem, or whatnot.

Another red herring featured in the article is that temperatures have been on a persistent plateau since 1998. There is some truth to this: there was a rapid global temperature climb from the 1970s to the late 1990s, but a trend line of average global surface temperatures between 1998 and 2013 will show only a very modest temperature increase. That’s largely because the atmosphere and the Earth surface have very small heat capacities relative to the ocean: the atmosphere is much less massive and has a lower specific heat than the ocean, so the atmosphere’s warming will be quite variable and will depend on how much of the heat gets transferred to the ocean, which depends on a variety of phenomena (e.g. El Niño/Southern Oscillation [ENSO], along with a number of longer-term cycles that are still poorly understood).

1998 is chosen as the starting year because it featured a huge El Niño event (the biggest in over a century, IIRC) leading to a massive temperature spike in that year. Surface temperatures in the 21st century have been persistently around 0.6 C higher than the 20th century average, but the rate of increase has been slower than in the 1970-1998 period. Exactly why is uncertain, but the oceans have been shown to be warming up quite rapidly (by oceanic standards) so we are still gaining thermal energy as expected. Eventually natural cycles will lead to the atmosphere absorbing more of the energy again and a resumption of rapid temperature increases.

But the real reason that climate change has become disbelieved by many conservatives is that it implies that we need to rapidly cut down our use of the very thing that’s been fueling most of the economy so far. Their reaction is to deny or throw doubt on it to justify continued fossil-fueled growth, which is understandable: it’s one of the most common reactions to encountering a contradiction in a belief system. Many liberals, for their part, are engaging in other coping mechanisms: blaming energy companies as though downstream users aren’t accountable as well, hoping for rapid technological change so that we can keep having our modern lifestyles (me too, but I recognize there’s no guarantee of that), holding ineffective rallies in the street, saying we all need to cut carbon emissions but doing nothing themselves (Gore is an egregious example of this; the rest of us Western liberals are also somewhat guilty to one degree or another), and so on.
 
To help show it's not just liberals who are worried about climate change, I'm also going to drop off three excerpts from the DoD's 2014 Quadrennial Defense Review, discussing the threats to national security caused by climate change. These sorts of statements are not at all uncommon in the military literature; the military and the DoD have released a large number of reports about the dangers of climate change to national and global security.

The impacts of climate change may increase the frequency, scale, and complexity of future missions, including defense support to civil authorities, while at the same time undermining the capacity of our domestic installations to support training activities. Our actions to increase energy and water security, including investments in energy efficiency, new technologies, and renewable energy sources, will increase the resiliency of our installations and help mitigate these effects.


Climate change poses another significant challenge for the United States and the world at large. As greenhouse gas emissions increase, sea levels are rising, average global temperatures are increasing, and severe weather patterns are accelerating. These changes, coupled with other global dynamics, including growing, urbanizing, more affluent populations, and substantial economic growth in India, China, Brazil, and other nations, will devastate homes, land, and infrastructure. Climate change may exacerbate water scarcity and lead to sharp increases in food costs. The pressures caused by climate change will influence resource competition while placing additional burdens on economies, societies, and governance institutions around the world. These effects are threat multipliers that will aggravate stressors abroad such as poverty, environmental degradation, political instability, and social tensions – conditions that can enable terrorist activity and other forms of violence.

The Department will employ creative ways to address the impact of climate change, which will continue to affect the operating environment and the roles and missions that U.S. Armed Forces undertake. The Department will remain ready to operate in a changing environment amid the challenges of climate change and environmental damage. We have increased our preparedness for the consequences of environmental damage and continue to seek to mitigate these risks while taking advantage of opportunities. The Department’s operational readiness hinges on unimpeded access to land, air, and sea training and test space. Consequently, we will complete a comprehensive assessment of all installations to assess the potential impacts of climate change on our missions and operational resiliency, and develop and implement plans to adapt as required.

Climate change also creates both a need and an opportunity for nations to work together, which the Department will seize through a range of initiatives. We are developing new policies, strategies, and plans, including the Department’s Arctic Strategy and our work in building humanitarian assistance and disaster response capabilities, both within the Department and with our allies and partners.
 
Well, this is a scientific issue, so I would certainly weight the near-unanimous consensus of climatologists

This is the point. There is not "near-unanimous consensus of climatologists." Certainly there are areas where that is true, but not in general. One of the articles references a WSJ article. Note the bullet points in the middle.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/climate-science-is-not-settled-1411143565

Credentials: Dr. Koonin was undersecretary for science in the Energy Department during President Barack Obama's first term.

You can get near unanimous consensus that there is climate change. You can get nearly as much consensus that there is a human element. After that the consensus starts to fray. There would also be near unanimous agreement that natural factors play a role. There is disagreement how to divide the pie between natural and man dependent causes.

When you get to the position of, say, Al Gore, how much scientific support is there? Would the majority agree in substance or would the majority believe he has exceeded reasonable conclusions? If the latter, by how much?

J
 
This is the point. There is not "near-unanimous consensus of climatologists." Certainly there are areas where that is true, but not in general. One of the articles references a WSJ article. Note the bullet points in the middle.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/climate-science-is-not-settled-1411143565

Credentials: Dr. Koonin was undersecretary for science in the Energy Department during President Barack Obama's first term.

You can get near unanimous consensus that there is climate change. You can get nearly as much consensus that there is a human element. After that the consensus starts to fray. There would also be near unanimous agreement that natural factors play a role. There is disagreement how to divide the pie between natural and man dependent causes.

When you get to the position of, say, Al Gore, how much scientific support is there? Would the majority agree in substance or would the majority believe he has exceeded reasonable conclusions? If the latter, by how much?

J
I don't disagree with some of the assessments made here, such as (brackets mine):

These [cloud feedbacks, changes in ocean and atmospheric circulation, and the fact that climate sensitivity is only known to be in the range 1.5-4.5 C/doubling of CO2] are fundamental challenges to our understanding of human impacts on the climate, and they should not be dismissed with the mantra that "climate science is settled."

That's why climatology is a fascinating field right now - there are a tremendous number of uncertainties related to the extreme complexity of the ocean-atmosphere-land system.

Clouds and aerosols, for instance, are still very poorly understood. If you look at the IPCC's summary of anthropogenic impacts, GHGs by themselves are comparatively well understood: the error bars are not insignificant but fairly small relative to the error bars around the impacts from clouds and aerosols. Each cloud droplet condenses around (and then dissolves, if the particle is soluble) an aerosol particle such as dust, pollen, sea salt, or smoke emitted from automobiles, factories, natural and artificial forest fires, and so on. We don't know very well to what extent this is offsetting our global warming from GHGs (or enhancing it, in the case of sooty 'black carbon' particles).

Whether a cloud reflects more heat than it traps heat or vice versa depends on particular characteristics of the cloud. Typically lower-altitude clouds and thicker clouds reflect more than they trap, and vice versa for thin and higher-level clouds (e.g. cirrus) but it's not very tidy in practice. Additionally, some aerosols, such as sulfate-based particles (mostly ammonium sulfate) reflect light on their own and are contributing to some sort of global dimming effect. Its magnitude is hard to measure, however, despite all our satellites, aircraft, and surface stations. Sulfate particles precipitate out in a few weeks, on average; contrast CO2 where a large proportion of the molecules will exist in the atmosphere for centuries to millennia, and most of the rest (a majority in sum) end up in the ocean which acidifies in response.

I've started a graduate program in atmospheric science this fall (with some preliminary stuff this summer) at Illinois, and the group I'm working with is working intensively on small-scale, particle-resolved models of aerosols and cloud formation. Ultimately we want to bridge up to the large-scale models to come up with a model of large-scale , but it takes an insane amount of computational power to bridge from models that can simulate the evolution of individual particles to models that work on a global-scale.

In summary, there's a tremendous amount of uncertainty as to what exactly will happen. My own best guess is that humans hit some combination of improving technological innovation and increasing fossil fuel cost that ultimately limit CO2 emissions to a ballpark peak CO2 concentration of ~550-600 ppm.

But there are a lot of unknown-probability, high-impact events such as rapid and non-linear melting of large portions of the Greenland and West Antarctic ice caps and unexpectedly high methane releases from Arctic permafrost and continental shelf methane clathrates, that we just can't quantify at the moment. Nobody knows where exactly the thresholds are before these become significant, and the IPCC report largely omits them because they're so poorly understood. The paleoclimate record doesn't give us much for the last several million years with CO2>400 ppm (present level) and average global temperature >2 C above today (brief spike at the Eemian interglacial, for instance).

Among actual scientists (not just Gore-style activist types) it's these unquantifiable risks that cause a large proportion of the long-term fear over climate change. Even without them, we'd have difficult-to-predict changes in precipitation and other sea level rise over the next century.

Gore's documentary is as good as it gets from politician types, but that's not saying much: obviously there are a bunch of polar bears clinging to small pieces of ice (which they do for fun) and so on. But the science isn't out of line with his main conclusions.

I still dislike that he took a scientific issue and helped make it a political one, and that he proceeded to continue flying in his private jet to climate conferences and so on. None of this means Al Gore is wrong in the main points of his documentary, it just means he's a rich hypocrite. But as Gore the politician should know, that's a huge loss in the PR scene.
 
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