Igor1, The Dawn of the Idiots

[romeothemonk]

Another game that could be fun is something the RBCiv guys did a while back. The nameless civ. No UU, no civ traits, then play at DG.
You could claim that you are too "idiotic" to remember what you are.
That could be a nice touch for this game.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Best idea ever, Mr Romeo, that sounds like the bottom of the idiotic barrel.

I think it could be pushed further if there was someone crazy enough to mod it so there are no distinct faces and no distinct colors in the F4/shift-D screens, considering the embassy people are too idiotic to remember where they're from. Of course, played without civ names by cities - how would you even remember such things.

 

[viper275]

I don't know which variant to choose... They all sound good. It would be good if we could use those helicopters, paras, marines, and so on, since we didn't get to do that in AK08. Being traitless and UUless would be good, too.

There are so many people interested that we should do it like Jumpmasters IMO.

 

[Whomp]

I like the idea of jumpmasters too. Will BeF and Romeo join us?
If we make the victory condition conquest or space I think we almost insure helis et al.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Since this will start later on, I'll be finished with one or 2 SG's and couldn't refuse that invitation

 

[romeothemonk]

I made my commitment for a long time this month already, (marriage, and that took 2 years to make the commitment), so don't expect quick commitment from me already.
Some more ideas that were already floated around, use 2 teams and develop a points system. 2 captains, or 3 captains then do a roto-style draft league of the availible players, each captain playing the same map but with a different approved variant.
Say for instance Bede and AK were 2 captains. Bede chooses opium barons and AK chooses Non-oscillating war.
The two captains would then draft players from the availible pool. (Pool example not meant to offend anyone, each player is on the honor system to assign themselves a point value, names are only as examples)
Player worth
10 points: Multiple Sid wins, Multiple really crazy variant wins (OCC AWE, etc.) Players like T_McC, Arathorn, Akots (I can even put myself up here Woohoo for making the scale)
9 Points: Multiple Diety wins, must include a culture win at DG or higher.
8 Points: Multiple Diety wins,
7 Points: Win at DG with all possible VC's excluding wonder victory (Yes I have won a wonder victory at DG, was going for a 20k hall of fame and left Wonder victory checked. )
6 Points: Win at DG with at least 4 different VC's
5 Points: Won a conquest and a diplo at DG
4 points: Won on Emporer with at least 4 differnt VC's.
3 Points: Won at Emporer with both conquest and domination
2 Points: Won a RaR mod above monarch.
1 Point: Can spell your own name.
0 points: Total Newbie to SG's.

 

[Whomp]

I like it Romeo.

I presume that is on solo games. I'm a 5. I would think Domination and space (I didn't allow the vote) count here.

 

[romeothemonk]

I like it Romeo.

I presume that is on solo games. I'm a 5. I would think Domination and space (I didn't allow the vote) count here.

Actually this includes SG's. I forgot to include that line.
SG wins count for 1/2 of a win, round down. Thus 2 sid SG wins counts as 1. 1 sid SG win counts as 0. (I include Rise and Rule, the 9 conquests, not counting WW2 in the Pacific (Except as china or the Dutch)) in these equations.
So for me,
Sid SG wins. Bez1, Napoleonic France, Romeo1.
Solo Sid wins. Fall of Rome, Age of discovery.
Diety Wins: Several LK games: Space race RaR, Sacrafice take 1 (RaR), LK88 Large Map RaR. Standard C3C Rotten Apple. A couple of solo games. Almost all of the conquests.
Demigod: All of the conquests, regular C3C all conditions, some Rise and Rule
And so forth.



@ the second part of your question I just put those 2 down as they appear to be the most common, but any 2 conditions are allowed.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

Here's the latest from Tubby on the map

I took a world map I found on the creation forums and performed the following tasks:
made a lot of jungle into forests
sunk Greenland
made land bridge from USSR to USA
made big ponds a tile bigger here and there
redistributed starting locations
redistributed resources
added some other surprises
dumped some barbs on the map

I hope you like it

just to confirm, tub, it is 100x100 right?

Planning on taking a small peek at it today.

 

[Tomoyo]

I have never played on DG solo... ever...

But I have about four to six Deity wins... some diplo, some space, a conquest, half a 100K, almost a full one (Gator1).

So is that an 8 or a 4?

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

I like romeo's idea about the point system, but I'm not sure i recall all of the SG's well enough to get an accurate point total. On most days I'm a 1. On good days, a 6.

We now have ten players. the roster is closed

We will play 2 teams in style of jumpmasters. each team will play the same variant with a different civ. I'd like them to have the same opponents, if we could impose on tubby. To make this a proper experiment, we should probably make them start in the same place, thoughts? None of the SGOTM restrictions about looking at the other thread will be imposed. This is a friendly learning experience.

Here's what my executive decision power is leaning towards:

100x100 map as moded by tubby
DG
12 civs instead of the normal eight
barbaric, small wonders okay
opium barons
only space victory enabled
playa's with the fewests posts as of june 5, 1200 GMT will be the captains.
they will alternate draft choices via PM until we have 2 teams of 5. (romeo's system is fair and I hope they will use it; but like I said before, I'm not sure of my own standing). Igor was always the last chosned for dodgeball and has a thing about public drafts and being the last idiot chosen.
and finally the idiot variant, the number of self research tech per age equals the number of lux you control at the beginning of the age (if you control zero at the start of the game, you may self research 8. if you own 8 lux, you may not self research anything)

none of these are written in stone. If I've overlooked something in the above, please comment. I'm trying to make the game fun, interesting and novel. BTW, the roster is impressive. IIRC the only person who has not experienced my idiocy first hand is Beorn and he or she should know what to expectorate (or should that be expect?)

 

[Whomp]

Then I'm going to ratchet up to a 6.
Blind Mice(now rodents)--diplo at DG. 1/2 win.
Team Jeffelammar placing 3rd behind Offa and CDZ deserves credit for a high level 100K. 1/2 win.

Undefeated at emperor and below.

Losses at DG included two defiants and 1 semi occ.
My only solo attempt at Deity was a diplo loss. I'm doing ok as dutch in a solo right now. We'll see.

 

[romeothemonk]

I would call Tomoyo at least an 8, and AK is at least a 6.
Since you can call your own number, you make the final call.
It is up to the captain drafting you to weigh his experience with you versus your "price"
Still this is all just an idea, I just hope that it helps you move the ideas you are kicking around forward a little bit.

 

[soul_warrior]

i'll have to give myself 4.5 point.
that 0.5 point is a current solo DG that im still living through in 400ad or so.
and i cant outrank, or be equal to my teachers at the academy, right?

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

post 51 has been heavily edited...

@ romeo - best wishes on the impending wedding. Are you taking the laptop on the honeymoon so you can keep up with civ?

 

[Whomp]

To be clear and fair. Serpentine style for picking.
Captain A gets pick 1, 4, 5 and 8
Captain B gets 2, 3, 6 and 7.

I like the variant. Here's another thought. How about each resource connected subtracts 1 from your self research total per age? Kind of a conservationist, idiot, barbarian addict. No connecting and disconnecting.
FYI AK is a 7 at least. Dodgeball too?

BTW Romeo's done and done. He's an expert on the topic now.

 

[romeothemonk]

Wedding already happened. I have been married for ~2.5 weeks. IT is really kinda cool. Not the horror story lotsa people say it is. It just takes a lot of effort and patience.
My point standing is 10.
If you use a point based draft, you should put a salary cap into effect.
Still not a signup as I really hate no self research.
You should also get a point # from everyone, set the cap, then draft.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

@ romeo - congrats. Maybe you could do a little book of how to handle females that I could use for discussion with the offspring? Your thoughts are more coherent than what I got from dad. Marraige doesn't get to be hard until after the first year. (BTW - I'm approaching 15)

If I could impose, I'd like you to pick the teams after everyone posts their standing per your schedule in post 48. The captains would still be those with the least posts. In my own little world (which is admittedly very strange, I'm a 6)

The idiot variant is to keep some lesser civs in the game. In the prior post, I forgot to mention that I think we should do this with all expansionist or scientific AI.

No connecting and disconnecting

That's what I intended. Hook it up and keep it hooked up if possible, none of DocT's tricks. imports don't count

 

[SesnOfWthr]

Couple things here:

First off, I'm lost on what the variant is now. It's changed so many times that I can't keep up with it. Someone want to help an idiot down the path and clarify it for me?

Second, I have no idea what score I would come in as. The last solo game I completed was probably at Monarch or Emperor, and wasn't at all recent. IIRC, I did participate in Romeo1 tho. Whatever, give me a 5 and call it a day.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

If romeo will do it, he gets to pick the teams. post 51 has the variant unless there are major objections.

100x100 map as moded by tubby
DG
12 civs instead of the normal eight
barbaric, small wonders okay
opium barons
only space victory enabled

I'm really not trying to make this complicated. This is intended to be a fun learning experience for the participants. Am I getting too complicated?