I'm pro-Second Amendment, but

[bhsup]

The second amendment doesn't make much sense in that form. You guys should get rid of it and replace it with a version that just says



I suppose then it wouldn't be the second amendment anymore? Can you amend amendments?

The Missouri Constitution negates any need, at least for me living in Missouri. It plainly states that ...

Section 23. That the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or when lawfully summoned in aid of the civil power, shall not be questioned; but this shall not justify the wearing of concealed weapons.

Regarding concealed weapons, it is legal by statute. So basically, while I am adamant about retaining 2nd amendment rights, the way it stands now my State constitution guarantees me the right anyway.

 

[JollyRoger]

So citizen-felons shall not be questioned in keeping and bearing arms in Missouri?

 

[bhsup]

The felon thing has been discussed before. Yes, some people can have their rights stripped from them for doing things heinous enough to warrant it.

 

[JollyRoger]

Your Constitution doesn't seem to allow for that exception in the text.

 

[warpus]

Yeah, it says "every citizen"

 

[.Shane.]

What's wrong w/ the NRA? Stuff like this.

Florida Gov. Rick Scott is expected to sign a bill that will make the state the first in the nation to prohibit doctors from asking patients if they own guns. The bill is aimed particularly at pediatricians, who routinely ask new parents if they have guns at home and if they're stored safely.

Hmmm... why would doctor's need to do that? Is it because they hate gunz?

No.

As parents know, pediatricians ask a lot of questions. Dr. Louis St. Petery says it's all part of what doctors call "anticipatory guidance" — teaching parents how to safeguard against accidental injuries. Pediatricians ask about bike helmets, seat belts and other concerns.

"If you have a pool, let's talk about pool safety so we don't have accidental drownings," he says. "And if you have firearms, let's talk about gun safety so that they're stored properly — you know, the gun needs to be locked up, the ammunition stored separate from the gun, etc., so that children don't have access to them."

All kinds of lame.

I'll repeat myself. If being in favor of gun safety and discussions of such in communities where firearms are prevalent is "anti-gun", then discussion of seat belts are "anti-car" and discussion of bike helmets are "anti-bike."

I'm not opposed to the idea that Americans have a right to own firearms at some level. But the NRA is beyond the pale on too many issues.

 

[JollyRoger]

How does a doctor have time to ask about guns in Florida given all the anti-abortion stuff they are required to read to patients?

 

[cardgame]

It makes sense if you're an anti-government conspiracist; the govt asks the doctors to ask you and before you know it there's a list in the Oval Office of every gun owner and well dagum they'll just start killin' us all off or throw us all in jail and then who will defend the world against that dagum ol' communism?

 

[GoodGame]

I find some forms of mania and obsessiveness to be irksome, but really if they can keep their guns locked up in their home without accident, then I don't care.

 

[Bugfatty300]

What's wrong w/ the NRA? Stuff like this.


Hmmm... why would doctor's need to do that? Is it because they hate gunz?

No.


All kinds of lame.

I'll repeat myself. If being in favor of gun safety and discussions of such in communities where firearms are prevalent is "anti-gun", then discussion of seat belts are "anti-car" and discussion of bike helmets are "anti-bike."

I'm not opposed to the idea that Americans have a right to own firearms at some level. But the NRA is beyond the pale on too many issues.

Gun safety should be taught in schools and not at the doctor's office. But if I'm ever asked by a doctor if I own guns I'll just tell him it's none of his business. Simple as that.

 

[JollyRoger]

Gun safety should be taught in schools and not at the doctor's office. But if I'm ever asked by a doctor if I own guns I'll just tell him it's none of his business. Simple as that.

Why teach gun safety when you can teach abstinence only instead?

 

[Skwink]

You can take my guns...


...as soon as I'm out of ammo.

 

[bhsup]

So um, y'all gonna think a gun collector is nuts after they need all those guns to defend against a home invasion?


Link to video.


Link to video.

 

[.Shane.]

Gun safety should be taught in schools and not at the doctor's office. But if I'm ever asked by a doctor if I own guns I'll just tell him it's none of his business. Simple as that.

Which, of course, you can and I doubt they'd care.

Why do people see these paranoid connections everywhere? As I mentioned, doctors routinely discuss all kinds of things w/ patients regarding things that can affect their health, many of which are not strictly medical. Would you cry "from my cold dead hands" if they talked about bike safety or asked if there were any poisons in the home?

 

[GhostWriter16]

I'll repeat myself. If being in favor of gun safety and discussions of such in communities where firearms are prevalent is "anti-gun", then discussion of seat belts are "anti-car" and discussion of bike helmets are "anti-bike."

Yes they are

Seriously, those laws are just moronic laws designed to have laws against things that only affect yourself. Its authoritarian.

I'm not opposed to the idea that Americans have a right to own firearms at some level. But the NRA is beyond the pale on too many issues.

The NRA does not go nearly far enough on most issues.

Note however that I don't agree that just because we have a right to own a gun that we can carry it onto private property, such as Universities like Arizona tried to do. So in one sense, some people are going too far, but in another sense they aren't going far enough. Other rights, such as property rights, MUST be considered. You have a right to ban guns on your University campus. You also have the right to allow them.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Why do people see these paranoid connections everywhere? As I mentioned, doctors routinely discuss all kinds of things w/ patients regarding things that can affect their health, many of which are not strictly medical. Would you cry "from my cold dead hands" if they talked about bike safety or asked if there were any poisons in the home?

To a lot of people owning guns is naturally a private matter as opposed to say riding a bike. Unlike pools, bleach and bicycles, guns are invariably attached to politics and nasty rhetoric and some people just don't feel uncomfortable talking about it with a stranger. I understand perfectly why someone would be upset if a doctor (for no apparent reason) asked them if they owned guns.

And I mean the vast majority of doctors are probably not experts in firearms. They may be good for patching up GSWs but probably won't know the four rules of firearm safety. And I can see how being lectured by an ignorant person about firearms can be annoying.

So there are some reasons people are upset with these questions. Not everyone thinks it's a CIA black helicopter data gathering. They just see it as their own business and no one elses.

 

[JollyRoger]

So your are sitting their naked after the doc has just invaded you with a latexed finger and a question regarding your guns is an invasion of privacy?

 

[.Shane.]

To a lot of people owning guns is naturally a private matter

And of course, we never trust doctors with any private information. We never share our most intimate information with, LOL, a Doctor!

And I mean the vast majority of doctors are probably not experts in firearms.

And... they're not experts in bike safety or home chemicals. These are, I'm pretty sure, high level guidelines meant simply to help people prevent an accident. I know, I know, how dare they?

So there are some reasons people are upset with these questions. Not everyone thinks it's a CIA black helicopter data gathering. They just see it as their own business and no one elses.

Then why isn't "sorry, but none of your business" good enough for these rugged individualists? Why do they need a law? It's pretty chicken crap in the end, since it will also end any such discussion for people who might benefit from it.

Sorry, but this is foolish at best, harmful at worst.

 

[Bugfatty300]

And of course, we never trust doctors with any private information. We never share our most intimate information with, LOL, a Doctor!

We share intimate and private information it when it's pertinent to a specific issue. For instance only medical doctors can diagnose prostate cancer so we allow them to finger rape us. That doesn't mean he needs to know I have an AK in the trunk or that I go the BDSM club every weekend.

And... they're not experts in bike safety or home chemicals.

That's probably why no doctor has ever tried to lecture me about BMXing or roach spray when getting a check up and why should they?

Then why isn't "sorry, but none of your business" good enough for these rugged individualists?

I don't know. That would be the best thing to do. It's a worthless practice to begin with so law or no law I really don't care.

 

[.Shane.]

That's probably why no doctor has ever tried to lecture me about BMXing or roach spray.

You don't have kids (iirc). This is aimed at pediatricians. I have 3 kids and my pediatrician did asked about things like chemicals, if there's a pool, etc... In fact, they were a very good source on car seats. If the auto industry had the same irrational fear (or rather the need to foster such fear) they maybe they wouldn't have been able to share that info. At least not in forward thinking places like Rick Scott's Florida.

I don't know. That would be the best thing to do.

Exactly. All your points make sense, if we were discussing how ridiculous it was that some liberal group was forcing info on unwitting parents. But we're not.

We're talking about a ridiculous solution to a non-existent problem.

I would have no problem telling my doctor "none of your business" if he asked me something I didn't want to discuss. I don't need a law to prevent it, ESPECIALLY when for someone else it might do some good.