Immortal Game Report: The Code of Hammurabi

[BurN]

1826 AD: The inevitable.

It's a sad day, I spotted a load of Mongolian frigates and galleons heading our way. From both our east side and our west side.

There's a few things to know.

1: I don't have any defense in the northern cities. Only longbows.
2: My sod and my defense are in the southern border cities with bull, it will take 7 turns to get to those northern cities.
3: I was building frigates as soon as they became available but Genghis came too soon to have a good naval force up at this time.
4: I switch to Nationhood.
5: I switch to 0% science to rushbuy.
6: My moustache is superior to his.


A view of our west side (and there's more on the way):





1828 AD



Our west side, total Mongolian naval units 24 frigates & 8 galleons. The good thing is Genghis is so stupid to have a stack with only 1 frigate and 3 galleons, I attack it with the small naval force I have and sink those galleons. Say byebye to those units inside Mr. Genghis.

I draft 3 riffles in the nearby cities and put them in Aachen. I upgrade the longbow that is in Aachen as well.





Our east side, there's less naval units here so the main attack is in the west.



1830 AD

I see artillery in Bull's land. For god's sake, slow down man. Me having to run 0% science isn't going to help either.

Genghis army has landed next to Aachen, he could attack the next turn. I draft 3 more units and put them in Aachen. The little stack consists of 8 cavs, a treb and two catapults . He's taking the defense down with frigates.



1832 AD



He brought the defense down to 8%. I drafted 3 units again, combined with rushbuying whenever I can. I got 9 riffles in Aachen now. Forget it Genghis, too slow.

By the way, notice how my workers are put to sleep. I was too busy watching all those ships to notice he could've captured them.



1834 AD



Well thats what's left of his cav. I attack with the more healthy riffles and clean up his units. Suck it up .. sucker!





In the meanwhile on the other side of our empire. Six cavs on the ground already but more importantly more galleons.. argh. Which means more drafting & rushbuying.



1836 AD

We gained another GG. I'm saving them atm, till I can construct military academies.





More units, I can't express my joy at the sight of that. More drafting, more rushbuying.





He should be dow'ing HC, considering he has a higher negative diplo and he's weaker then me. IF he does dow me, I can quite possibly consider this a game over.



1838 AD

Bull dows HC.

Most of the cavs attacking Parthian died or are wounded, I clean up.



1840 AD: A small victory.



Our lands are clear. Phew. Finally researched steel and continue with railroad. I think going after combustion is a good idea. More advanced naval units can't hurt at this stage. I switch back to free speech, no more drafting for now. I'm building Iron Clads, in the hope of cleaning up all those enemy naval units.

I trade steel to HC for 560 gold, HC is done for .. there's now way he'll be able to stand up to Bull.



1852 AD: A heroic gesture.

Didn't see any units coming from Genghis except his frigates annoying me. And we get an event.



Of course I agree.



1854 AD



Yea right pall, dream on. This is where I stopped playing.

 

[BurN]

I will just put down the main cities, as we got so many cities now:

Spoiler :

Babylon, GT/NE city. I'll probably want to get out a GP or two before I stop running specialists. I had it on prod for now for military, I'll change it back to specialist the next session.





Hamburg, pretty low science output. It's more of a prod/com hybrid, though note we're not running bureaucracy. It'll have Oxford+Wallstreet, however I could put IW here still. I had a hard time deciding on my nat wonders. Though the idea is to get a military academy here soon.





Berlin, possible IW city.





Augsburg, the city producing most gold after our capital. So I could put WS here still.





Aachen, has HE already. It lacks food to work every single hill for now but once we get to biology it can grow to full size. I might put West Point here as it can produce both naval and and land units.

Map overview:

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Tech overview:

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Civics:

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Diplo glance:

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Active trades:

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Power graph: (no comment )

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Well I wish I could show you a nice clean (early) domination win but alas. This is going to end up in a late game military slugfest. There's no way I can attack Bull any time soon so this leaves me with a few options:

1: I switch to Hinduism for diplo with Bull, get transports and go to war with Genghis.
2: I switch to Hinduism, get a good naval defense and tech to Mechanized infantry. After that switch to 0% science for the rest of the game, rushbuy/draft a massive army and dow Bull.
3: Bull & Genghis dow me at the same time before I get to mech inf and I lose the game.


Suggestions, criticism, comments, etc .. welcomed.


The end ... of session four.

 

[NintendoTogepi]

No comments but, this is a very entertaining game!

Good work!

 

[sarkun]

well - congrats of fighting off genghis... but those cavs he attacked you with... were build with your own horses u gave him.

seeing as you pulled through, probably doesn't matter. what do you think your chances of winning a war with bull are?

 

[fugazi]

Dude, that was some heroic struggle you had with Genghis. I'm impressed you didn't lose a single city .. although the AI stupidity surely contributed to that - he let you sink 3 galleons! :/

Am I right btw on that Sitting can build tanks? Ugh, I've got no idea what you should do right now as he's clearly far ahead of you with .. well everything. If you start a fight with Sitting, I'm sure he'll drag Genghis into it. A cultural win isn't an option for you I suppose? Can't see your cities but I got this feeling it ain't gonna be a real option

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Definitely the drugs made Charlie upgrade his longbows combat rather than drill

Bull and Genghis don't like each other very much, can you bribe Genghis into attacking Bull?

 

[r_rolo1]

BurN, can you show the Demographics screen? I would like to see it ( with a little math you can know the power of GK from there ..... ) .

Knowing Genghis power is essential to know to which SB is going to DoW

 

[BurN]

Dude, that was some heroic struggle you had with Genghis. I'm impressed you didn't lose a single city .. although the AI stupidity surely contributed to that - he let you sink 3 galleons! :/

Am I right btw on that Sitting can build tanks? Ugh, I've got no idea what you should do right now as he's clearly far ahead of you with .. well everything. If you start a fight with Sitting, I'm sure he'll drag Genghis into it. A cultural win isn't an option for you I suppose? Can't see your cities but I got this feeling it ain't gonna be a real option

Well I'm glad I got those naval units out in time, scouting the seas.

As for Bull's tech advantage, it looks worse then it is. He has SAM inf running around now, which means rocketry. On the other hand he doesn't have industrialism yet, doesn't have biology yet and I didn't see any of the radio tech wonders being built.

As for victory this will be domination or nothing at all!

well - congrats of fighting off genghis... but those cavs he attacked you with... were build with your own horses u gave him.

seeing as you pulled through, probably doesn't matter. what do you think your chances of winning a war with bull are?

Now that you mention it, he probably did. Quite interesting, I should probably trade horses to him again. Just for the fact that my military consists of riffles mostly, let him bring those cavs.

War with Bull at this point in the game? Offense is impossible, in defense we might have a chance.

Definitely the drugs made Charlie upgrade his longbows combat rather than drill

Bull and Genghis don't like each other very much, can you bribe Genghis into attacking Bull?

I tried to bribe Genghis and Bull to war like a million times. "We just don't like you enough" or "we have enough on our hands". Sitting Bull and Genghis are just horrible to trade with and the fact that my diplo position isn't all that great isn't helping either.

BurN, can you show the Demographics screen? I would like to see it ( with a little math you can know the power of GK from there ..... ) .

Knowing Genghis power is essential to know to which SB is going to DoW

Sure I can:

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Bull>Genghis>me>HC. My diplo is better though +2 vs -3. I wouldn't worry "too" much about Bull attacking. As shyuhe pointed out he has a high peace weight and we're not that far from pleased with him.

 

[r_rolo1]

Genghis has exactly 2317998 soldiers .... it will be a fun ride if SB dows genghis

 

[BurN]

Genghis has exactly 2317998 soldiers .... it will be a fun ride if SB dows genghis

I see what you just did there!

I don't think Bull will declare on anyone soon. It'll more likely be Genghis that dows Bull. But of course I could be wrong and yes that would be a nice thing to happen.

 

[bhavv]

Man am I a total noob at civ 4 compared to you! I still havnt played at monarch yet, I got fed up with the too many cities = dead economy and the overseas maintainence in BTS put me off completely.

Its just far too difficult compared to Civ 2 and SMAC, but thanks to great guides like this one I will try the game again.

I'll try a monarch game later today because this thread inspired me to try again.

 

[JBossch]

@shuyuhe:
Alternative algorithms eh? I learn new things about this game all the time. That certainly makes sense though, and yeah, I totally boxed him in and was proud of it. Didn't realize it would affect SB's DoW likelihood so dramatically.

@BurN:
Going overseas for a fight sounds way too dicey. Sending your SoD over there will mean no defense against SB and few other options. It is always risky to take on your only friend but look at it this way: You said yourself it is either domination or nothing which is in keeping with your thread theme and (if I understand the situation correctly) the only viable victory condition anyway. That said, is domination remotely possible without taking out SB? Hell no. He has a massive army and pretty big tech lead. I think mechs are your only serious option. Oh, there will be blood.

 

[NintendoTogepi]

Are you really only going for Domination? You might be able to pull off a Space Race...

 

[Quotey]

Oh... Mr Bull! I cannot stop myself any longer: Marry me, Mr Bull, then we shall go to Mound City. Marry me, Mr Bull and ravage me with your wonderful moustache!

 

[BurN]

Man am I a total noob at civ 4 compared to you! I still havnt played at monarch yet, I got fed up with the too many cities = dead economy and the overseas maintainence in BTS put me off completely.

Its just far too difficult compared to Civ 2 and SMAC, but thanks to great guides like this one I will try the game again.

I'll try a monarch game later today because this thread inspired me to try again.

Well this thread isn't exactly about optimal play, which resulted in Bull running away. Imho it would've be economically smarter if I went after liberalism->riffles and killed off Charle with a tech advantage.

Good luck with your game.

@shuyuhe:

@BurN:
Going overseas for a fight sounds way too dicey. Sending your SoD over there will mean no defense against SB and few other options. It is always risky to take on your only friend but look at it this way: You said yourself it is either domination or nothing which is in keeping with your thread theme and (if I understand the situation correctly) the only viable victory condition anyway. That said, is domination remotely possible without taking out SB? Hell no. He has a massive army and pretty big tech lead. I think mechs are your only serious option. Oh, there will be blood.

Agreed, I don't like that option much either. It would also cripple the tech speed once again, making it even harder to catch up with Bull. If we can grab our continent we should be very close to domination indeed. Also genghis is our only tech partner and the diplo with him isn't "that" bad as he declared on us and not the other way around.

That said this will be a very late victory, I hope I can grab enough land before the turns run out.

Are you really only going for Domination? You might be able to pull off a Space Race...

Sure why not? Space is an option as well but I think it would be interesting (and satisfying) to go to war with Bull later on.

Oh... Mr Bull! I cannot stop myself any longer: Marry me, Mr Bull, then we shall go to Mound City. Marry me, Mr Bull and ravage me with your wonderful moustache!

 

[BurN]

The Code of Hammurabi: Session five.

The aim of this session will be to pull our empire out of the gutter once again and show Sitting Bull who's the boss on this continent once we get to a military tech parity.



1854 AD

I do a trade with Genghis:



Not the best deal but I hope to somewhat pull up to Bull by using Genghis. I also renew our old trades that were canceled by the war. Once Genghis becomes more advanced and gets a bigger powergraph, he might dow Bull instead of us. We'll be watching those seas Genghis ...

As we researched railroads, I start roading all the hills & hammer resources. That +1 hammer is welcome. Our most important cities first, the rest after. Once that's done I'll put them on automation to railroad the rest of our empire.



1858 AD



I could refuse .. get dowed, lose the game, trow my computer trough the window and suicide bomb the Faraxis main office or I could agree to his demands.

Agreeing put Bull back to pleased. This turn Bull made peace with HC as Bull had the heroic gesture event as well. We're safe from Bull for quite a lot of turns now. IF he dow's somebody in the future it will be HC.



1862 AD: Money, money, money.

We complete Wall Street in Hamburg, adding 66gpt at 80% science. Thank the shrine and towns for that.

We also researched combustion, which I tried to trade to Genghis. I'd guess he's almost done teching that because he refuses to offer anything for it. We continue the tech path with assembly line, let's get those cheap factories up and it'll allow us to upgrade our army to infantry.



1872 AD

Researched assembly line, continue with physics.



1884 AD



We get a Great Prophet from Babylon. We actually own the Taoist holy city Augsburg, thanks charle! So I run the prophet over there to make our second shrine. Taoism isn't as dominant as our Judaism shrine but it should be worth it.

Bull is being a real nuisance with his spies. His espionage graph is as scary as the military one. I was building the pentagon in the hope of getting it but alas .. Bull had assembly line for quite a while and beats us to it. Nonetheless we get some gold to fund our research.



1886 AD

Researched electricity & start building Broadway in the capital. I'm just building it because I ran out of stuff to build.




1888 AD

Our Taoism shrine is built and we gain 28gpt. Our empire is doing well, we're running 90% science without deficit.



1892

Nothing much happening, I'm just fortifying my borders with Bull and building a naval army in case Genghis shows up again.

And what do I see in the trade menu:



I'm ready for you pall, don't even think about it! I'll be sinking those ships faster then you can build em!



1894 AD

Someone built Broadway and we get some extra gold.



1896 AD

Finished the research on Radio and continue with biology, we could use some extra food for our prod cities. I start building Cristo Redentor in Berlin and Rock N Roll in Hamburg. I don't care much about Rock N Roll but Cristo is a nice wonder to have.

tech overview:

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1898 AD: The kind stranger.



The AI has been pushing me around in this game, I agree once again and hope he doesn't beat us on Cristo. We could quite possibly deal with Genghis in the sea but I'm trying to keep him happy, hoping he will dow Bull.



1900 AD



Let's just assume he will dow HC soon.



1901 AD

Finished biology and pick Industrialism next, our research is going fine now and we're catching up nicely with Bull.



1904 AD

Did a trade with Genghis: Biology for Military Science & 350 gold. We could 1 turn that tech but I want to get to computers/robotics asap without wasting turns on crap techs.



1905 AD



The good news: we got Cristo. The bad news: Genghis beat us to Rock N roll. Which is my own fault, giving in to his demand for radio 1 turn after we researched it. Not that we really need the happiness but it's nice to deny the AI the bonus.

And another minor thing happened .. Bull dowed Genghis. Apparently HC became a vassal of Genghis so he got dragged into this as well.



1906 AD

Researched Industrialism, next up is plastics->computers->robotics.



1907 AD

I remembered I had two GG's in the capital. I construct a military academy in Hamburg and another one in Aachen.



1908 AD: Hamburg

As I didn't take any city screens at the end of this session, I'll just put up some cities randomly. ;P

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As mech infs only cost 200 hammers, Hamburg should be 1 turning them without IW/HE. Note we're not running Bureaucracy as we have enough hammers as it is.

1909 AD

Bull is whooping HC, grabbing some cities in just a few turns.



1910 AD: Cologne.

Spoiler :

Not the best prod city but it's providing some extra units every few turns.

Tech overview:

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1912 AD

Researched plastics and start building the Three Gorges Dam in Berlin.




1913 AD: Stealing is bad.

Bull steals industrialism. Bah. We also had a gems pop in Hamburg, not that it matters much this late in the game.



1914 AD: Fight your own wars.





No way man, I'm busy preparing to backstab you. Uhm, sorry my bad... I mean we have enough on our hands right now.



1915 AD: Stealing is bad, part two.

Bull steals plastics.

EP graph:

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1916 AD



Finally got to computers and no one else has it yet. We need the internet up asap. I switch to Bureaucracy (thanks Cristo) and reduce the build-time from 12 to 10 turns.



1917 AD

Performed some counter espionage to prevent mister Bull from stealing computers. I should've done this "before" actually researching it but better late then never.



1921 AD

Finished the Three Gorges Dam in Berlin. Also Popped a great spy from Babylon, which is kinda useless at this stage. I construct Scotland Yard in Hamburg for the hell of it.



1922 AD

Researched robotics. Genghis asks to go to war with Bull. I refuse .. soon my friend, soon.

The plan was to get to robotics and attack Bull. Now it's time to actually make it work. The AI already lost, it just doesn't know it yet.

- I switch to 0% science, we still need the artillery tech but we'll get that from the internet soon. We're getting 1573gpt.
- I start upgrading my CRIII units & city defenders to mech inf.



1924 AD: Genghis the comedian.



Why don't you have your own comedy show yet Genghis? Of course I refuse, I dare you to dow us.



1925 AD: Teh Intarwebz



Next turn this baby will be ours, another step closer to world domination.



2008 AD

Max images, tbc in next post.

 

[BurN]

1926 AD: It's raining techs.

Completed the internet and get: Divine Right, Fascism, Mass Media, Medicine, Artillery & Rocketry. The most important ones being fascism and artillery, we need those before we start warring. Artillery for the obvious reasons and fascism for Mt. Rushmore. Rushmore combined with jails and police state = zero WW, allowing us to be in war till the end of time. I start building Rushmore in Berlin as it has the most hammers and has a national wonder spot free.




I voted for myself of course.




Switched civics. Let's pump out those units!



1927 AD



Well I'm not planning to propose anything at this point. Maybe we'll ban nukes later but it would be stupid to ban them now if we could use them in the future.



1931 AD

Got flight from the internet.



1936 AD

Got refrigeration from the internet, not that we'll be building anything else then units from now on.

Genghis asks us to stop trading with Bull and I agree. We'll be attacking him soon anyways. For the rest .. we're just building & rushbuying units.



1937 AD: Hammurabi the glorious.

Well we're ready to get some revenge on Sitting Bull. He's been a pain in the ass, never trading techs, destroying improvements, destroying buildings, poisoning our cities, causing unhappiness, demanding techs, stealing techs and just being a plain idiot. But those times are over. We Hammurabi, King of Babylonia, decided the Native American empire shall cease to exist. May those who oppose us cry in despair before we crush them.





Hah! I got you with this screeny huh? Ofcourse this isn't our sod. For now this will be a small defense stack, we'll run all the newly produced units to Nippur so we can attack from there later.





You like that better heh? This should get us pretty far.





As it's hard to show the naval force, the green crosses are stacks of naval units. Each containing 10-15 units. However there's more ships in small stacks of two, scouting deeper seawards. This should prevent any transports getting trough. Ignore the cross on Nippur, I'm too lazy to fix that. ;p





It's over Bull.. over I tell ya.





-World map from 1926 but it'll do. Our main sod will be marching trough the middle, attracting most of Bull's units. We'll march towards Bull's capital.
-We'll build up our second sod (the left one) while our first sod is capturing cities. Once this sod is ready it will start to attack as well.
-The third sod (right one) will come rather late, cleaning up the cities that our main sod ignored.
- If this all succeeds Bull will be left with tundra and desert cities only. From there on it's just cleaning up.





It's time for some serious ass-kicking.



1938 AD



I spot three unguarded transports with a submarine I'm using to scout. Let's sink those things.



1939 AD

Bull sends a few naval units towards Cologne, which we sink.

We revolt Snaketown, making it open for attack. I'm too lazy to count the number of defenders but there's roughly about 30 units in there, nothing a bunch of artillery can't solve:



One down, many more to go.



1940 AD

Bull made peace with Genghis and HC. We also got enough epp now to see most of Bull's land, which is really handy to determine how many units I need to attack.



As you can see Ocmulgee is weakly defended. The stack I was building up in Nippur isn't that big yet but it is enough to attack such a weak city, I start moving towards it.



1941 AD

Bull spawned a colony on the western island, say hi to Washington.



1942 AD

We revolt Ocmulgee and attack:





We revolt Mound City and attack:





I spot two more transports, which means more sinking:





1943 AD

We run into WW problems already. Even though we got jails in our biggest cities, have Rushmore and are now running 40% culture ... I decide it's time to switch to police state. It will fix the unhappiness problem and we'll get +25% hammers on military. I also raise our science again as we can't rushbuy anything in police state, we'll tech towards mobile artillery (satellites->laser)

All this warring has gained us another GG. I use him on a mech inf to function as a medic for our second sod.



1944 AD

Genghis is showing "we have enough on our hands right now" once again. I'm watching those seas Genghis. Though I'm pretty confident he will dow Bull.



1945 AD

Aachen has 6 unhappiness due "we yearn to our motherland". How is that even possible? That was Charle's city which is on the other side of the world ...



1946 AD

We reached Bull's capital Cahokia, revolt and attack. There's 73 units inside so it's impossible to take them all down in one turn but we kill a lot and leave the rest heavily damaged.



1947 AD

We get some espionage event which gives us -2 diplo with Genghis, whatever I dare him to attack us.

We do a second revolt and attack Cahokia once again:





Inside: Yup that's the Pentagon and 5 GG's.





Our second sod reached Etowah, failed to revolt due bad luck but we got artillery anyways:





1948 AD

A great artist pops from Babylon, I keep him for a possible golden age later. Not that it'll help us much but it's better then nothing.



2008 AD

Max images.

 

[BurN]

1949 AD

Our third stack is really small still but I send it to attack anyways as some cities are just weakly defended.



1950 AD

Our third sod (if you can call it that ..) reached Nacogdoches and attack:





I spot a lonely transport in the north and sink it. Don't ask me what Bull is thinking:





Our second sod reaches Nubian, we revolt and attack:





1952 AD

Our main sod reached Poverty Point, we revolt and attack:





1953 AD



We get another GG, I let him build an academy in Nippur which has the highest hammer output besides our main prod cities. And as you can see we researched satellites, we pick laser next for mobile artillery (which has two movement, making attacking even faster).



1954 AD

Genghis and his vassal HC declare war on Sitting Bull and his colony Washington.


Our second sod reaches Nanih waiya, we revolt and attack:





1956 AD

I spot another transport with one of our submarines, once again we sink it.





1957 AD

Our third sod reaches spiro, combined with a part of our main sod .. revolt and attack:




As you can see our main sod is moving towards Machu Picchu but I stopped playing at this turn so that's stuff for the future. =p



1957 AD: Overview.

Map overview:

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Powergraph:

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Well there's not much options to go from here. Next session we'll clean up the remains of Bull and see how much more land we need for domination. If our continent isn't enough for a domi win .. we'll go for conquest by wiping Genghis out, I have been building transports just for that.

Suggestions, criticism, comments, etc .. welcomed.


The end ... of session five.

 

[NintendoTogepi]

Excellent work. Keep capturing...perhaps you should use the GA for a culture bomb in a captured city, to get more land quicker?

 

[mystyfly]

Great game and writeup. Glad you sticked to warmongerering. Space is just way more boring to watch and play (but takes soooo much less time, so thank you again Burn)