In the Beginning...

Berzerker said:
Genesis does not describe the formation of the primordial "Earth" as it appears in Gen 1:2 under the waters, that was before the creation of the dry land and life. Genesis describes events leading to the dry land and life.

Just as most of the world's creation myths, there was a primordial world usually visualized as a vast ocean covering what would one day - the 3rd day - become dry land. And it was dark... A dark, water covered world preceded God and God's creation. According to the Enuma Elish there were other "gods" (planets, worlds) but monotheism altered the story line.

Here's a good read on how researchers are trying to explain Earth's water

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...-get-its-water

There is another theory: the Earth formed at the asteroid belt... thats why Mars was robbed of material and why the Earth (and Moon) has water matching asteroids.

Gen 1:1 clearly describes God creating the Earth from nothing. As I said, the Earth spent a long time (at least a few hundred million years) in a molten or semi-molten state, much too hot for water to exist on the surface. Then of course there is the Late Heavy Bombardment of which no mention is made at all in Genesis.

You are also of course missing that "Let there be Light!" comes after the creation of the Earth, which makes no sense because the Sun is the source of Light in the solar system (or at least, of the light with which Genesis's authors would have been talking about) - and we know the Sun formed at the same time as the Earth did, not afterwards.

And we won't even get into the sky being described as a 'vault to separate the waters below from the waters above' (what waters above?) God also creates land plants before sea creatures which is wrong, and the Adam and Eve story is obviously complete fantasy, Noah's flood is complete fantasy, etc, etc...

Berzerker said:
The problem with this theory is our water didn't form here according to researchers. They believe the early solar wind blew volatile gases outward where they began condensing at the asteroid belt... and our water matches up with water from Vesta. The inner half of the asteroid belt is relatively dry and the outer half is wet, so that might have been where the "snow line" was when the belt formed or was "created".

This world may have accreted surrounded by water vapor, it might have had an ocean dozens or hundreds of miles deep. Some of those asteroids have a high water content, there was plenty of ice forming at the asteroid belt and that would be the logical location for a planet. A planet covered by water and darkness...

If it took a magma ocean to solidify and volcanism to outgas the ocean then where is the rock? Our oldest rock formed in water. That means any magma pouring out of the Earth was under water. Plate tectonics produced the "dry land", while researchers are still debating the timing of the continents our most solid evidence shows the process starting around 4 bya shortly before life. So the science may just support creation myths that claim water preceded the continents and life.

That isn't a 'problem' with the theory. Both 'inside out' and 'outside in' theories involve volcanism playing an important role in creating the ocean:

http://www.amnh.org/learn/ocean/Resource1
There are two dominant theories:

The inside-out model proposes that the Earth formed with trace amounts of water structurally bonded to the minerals in the mantle. This water makes its way to the Earth’s surface through volcanic processes.
The outside-in model proposes that the Earth formed without water, which came with other volatiles from the meteorites or comets that bombarded the young planet. This water was probably mixed into the upper layers of the Earth and was later brought to the surface through volcanism.

Also the circumstances in which the oldest dated rocks are not nearly so straightforward as you imply...the oldest 'rocks' seem to be gneisses which suggest water was involved in the chemistry going on at the time, but certainly not that these rocks 'formed underwater.' Hell, even the question of what is in fact the 'oldest rock' is not nearly so straightforward as you seem to think...
 
"The myths". "The science". If you want to go on how the Enuma Elish is clearly a literal account of the creation of the solar system, knock yourself out, but making such sweeping statements as, "The myths mention a primordial ocean covering the land before being exposed and the appearance of life", without specifying which myths and then claiming that the possible early state of the Earth proves that the myths are true is frankly pointless.
 
I'm trying to just focus on Genesis. His generalizations about 'the myths' suggest to me that he doesn't know very many anyway.
 
That is exactly, exactly the point. the person who wrote Genesis looking up at the night sky in ancient times would have no way of knowing that the moon is not a light because it appears to be one. Genesis makes perfect sense if you just acknowledge that it was written by a guy who had no understanding of science or astrophysics and was just trying to explain the origin of the universe as he knew it, which at the time was the lands around where he lived and nothing else... using the limited information he had at the time .

God is the author. The readers were the tailored audience. Why would an author who wanted the then ancient audience to understand. write it so only current humans understood what was being written? We obviously have the advantage, because we claim to even know what the ancients were thinking.

Genesis also clearly says the sky is a "dome", which again makes perfect sense given that people in those days thought the world was flat and the sky was a dome over the flat world, which also makes sens because the sky appears to curve and meet the land in the horizon, and ancient peoples would have no way of knowing that the this was not in fact the case. The sky seems like a dome, so the \Genesis author called it a dome. But its wrong, and the only way to deny this is to go back to "Oh its not wrong, its metaphorical!" That is not correct. Here is the text: The Bible clearly says that the moon is a light and that god placed it in the sky to light the world at night. This is clearly wrong. What you are doing is something I am very familiar with, because, as I have said, I grew up in a Christian fundamentalist religion. You are trying to play fast and loose with the text where its clearly wrong, and appealing to what the text means rather than what it says. Then you go into a long appeal to metaphor... "Well when it says 'light' that could mean 'Jesus' and other such claims." I have heard it all before. Whenever the Bible is clearly wrong, fundamentalists say "No its not wrong its just metaphorical." I'm not convinced. The Bible says the moon is a light. It is not. The sun is a light.

Is a light bulb a light? By your point, the only thing that can be a light is a star. A light bulb is only a light when it has power attached to it. The moon is only a light at night, when God said it would be a light. All I am doing is explaining what I think in my mind. I never said I was right or wrong. The ones who are arguing the point are the ones trying to make that claim.

I'll stop there because there is way too much incorrect stuff to respond to in your post.

According to the current way of thinking, we have a lot of time to reason things out.
 
timtofly said:
Is a light bulb a light? By your point, the only thing that can be a light is a star.

A lightbulb can be a light. The white wall that it merely illuminates, is not a light.
 
We have gotten to the point where we can match the story to the science, provided we so choose.

Is that the question we should be asking?

J
 
For someone who sees possibility of Gods existence at 0 you spend too much time on threads such as this I would say... Anyways I dont know how much philosophers would agree with you honestly but I am pretty ignorant of philosophy myself so cant say much there.
Let me give you an example : before the microscope was invented how many people were considering existence of a tiny microorganism? Couple of freeks I suppose...
And last but not least you have thousands of years of human development of different separate cultures filled with pondering about existences of consciousness or beings beyond human existence. We know we are preceeded by lower animal consciousness and we will likely be succeeded by some more refined or larger one. Is it realy that difficult to imagine or consider some other form of consciousness? I am guessing one of the core questions is if consciousness can exist independently of the physical existence?
For my part I can say I have personal observation that consciousness even while apparently bound to certain physical forms is changing by and regulated by nonphysical laws. Thats something which cant be ignored.

So basically you want to include all the things you personally think might be possibilities, but ignore all the rest.

Right! Brilliant...

How would you know what's a possibility and what isn't? What sort of master database of possibilities do you have access to that the rest of us don't?
 
God is the author. The readers were the tailored audience. Why would an author who wanted the then ancient audience to understand. write it so only current humans understood what was being written?
So what you are saying now is that the author of Genesis knew that what they were writing was wrong and that they intended it as mythology. For example, if God was the author, he would have known that the moon wasn't a light and the sky wasn't a dome, but he was just calling it that so that the ancient humans could grasp it? Is that what you are saying?
Is a light bulb a light? By your point, the only thing that can be a light is a star. A light bulb is only a light when it has power attached to it. The moon is only a light at night, when God said it would be a light. All I am doing is explaining what I think in my mind. I never said I was right or wrong. The ones who are arguing the point are the ones trying to make that claim.
Yes a light bulb is a light. No, I never said, or implied that only stars can be lights. Fire is light. A torch is a light. One of the key elements of light is energy or heat. That is one reason the sun is a light and the moon is not. As Lexicus so eloquently states, the light bulb is a light and the wall that is illuminated by the light from the bulb is not a light. The sun is the light and the moon that is illuminated by the suns light is not a light.

Its very straightforward, no matter how many twists and turns and hypotheticals you try to raise to cloud the issue. The moon is not a light. The sky is not a dome. The Earth did not exist before the sun or the stars and there certainly were not plants and animals on the earth before the sun. If you want to fall back on "God knew that, and he just wrote it that way cause humans wouldn't understand it otherwise" then you are admitting that Genesis is just a story, or myth, as it were, and whether God wrote it or not is irrelevant. It's inaccurate, a fantasy.
 
So basically you want to include all the things you personally think might be possibilities, but ignore all the rest.

Right! Brilliant...

How would you know what's a possibility and what isn't? What sort of master database of possibilities do you have access to that the rest of us don't?

No Warpus you are brilliant. I am talking of millenia of cultural-social-spiritual development involving countless people and you spin it like its exclusively my personal desire and fancy!
Actually the answer is pretty simple since everebody has different questions and interests naturaly we are bound to follow different lines of knowledge. Eventually we are bound to share our discoveries and inventions...
 
I am talking of millenia of cultural-social-spiritual development involving countless people and you spin it like its exclusively my personal desire and fancy!
Actually the answer is pretty simple since everebody has different questions and interests naturaly we are bound to follow different lines of knowledge. Eventually we are bound to share our discoveries and inventions...

There are big problems with that approach, though.

1. There is a lot of stuff out there that no human has ever seen, thought of, or imagined.

2. People are fallible and often believe things that are wrong.

For those two reasons it makes a lot more sense to start with a blank slate and add ideas one by one as you accept them. You look at an idea, you check if it works and that it is true, and you accept it or throw it out. You build up your library of knowledge as you accept more ideas as they are verified as correct.

The millennia of cultural-social-spiritual development you reference makes a great place to pick ideas from to test. Some of them will be true, some of them will be false, some you won't be able to really test, and you can make your way through them and accept them or throw them out or leave them in the "maybe" pile.

If you limit yourself to the things humans have thought of in the past, you will be limited in what you can understand about things humans have never even thought of yet. This is point #1 above.

Point #2 alludes to the fact that you can't just accept things from the past until they have been verified. That will quickly muddy up your body of facts, as at least some of the stuff you accept will be incorrect. You can't just assume that things people have thought about in the past is plausible or not, people have thought up all sorts of incorrect things, while at the same time, going back to point #1 again, there is a lot of stuff out there we haven't even thought about.
 
God is the author. The readers were the tailored audience. Why would an author who wanted the then ancient audience to understand. write it so only current humans understood what was being written? We obviously have the advantage, because we claim to even know what the ancients were thinking.
You do know that The Ten Commandments was just a movie, right? It wasn't a documentary.

If your god had to dumb things down so the people back then could understand them, why didn't he just create smarter people in the first place?

Is a light bulb a light? By your point, the only thing that can be a light is a star. A light bulb is only a light when it has power attached to it. The moon is only a light at night, when God said it would be a light.
The Moon is sometimes visible during the day. Its reflected light is not helpful, though, since the Sun is so much brighter.
 
Gen 1:1 clearly describes God creating the Earth from nothing. As I said, the Earth spent a long time (at least a few hundred million years) in a molten or semi-molten state, much too hot for water to exist on the surface. Then of course there is the Late Heavy Bombardment of which no mention is made at all in Genesis.

The late heavy bombardment is creation, God's spirit was upon the waters and the result was plate tectonics and life.

You are also of course missing that "Let there be Light!" comes after the creation of the Earth, which makes no sense because the Sun is the source of Light in the solar system (or at least, of the light with which Genesis's authors would have been talking about) - and we know the Sun formed at the same time as the Earth did, not afterwards.

Gen 1:1 refers to events on the 2nd and 3rd days of creation. Let there be light was the 1st day, the Earth appears on the 3rd day (and Heaven on the 2nd). Earth is the name God gave the dry land when the water receded into seas. But this planet was in a primordial state before creation, darkness and water prevailed. Gen 1:2 describes what existed before the light, before Heaven and Earth.

And where does darkness and water prevail? Further out beyond Mars where the solar system's snow line is/was located. And thats where our water came from. How? It came with the remains of a planet following a collision. Thats why the sun was appointed a (new) role in Earth's sky on the 4th day, the Earth was under water until the 3rd day.

Its possible...

And we won't even get into the sky being described as a 'vault to separate the waters below from the waters above' (what waters above?)

Thats Heaven, or firmament... Mesopotamian hammered out bracelet. The asteroid belt straddles the snow line, the waters below came with the Earth to a new closer orbit while water vapor and ice coated objects on the colder side of the snow line where water was more plentiful.

Heaven is the asteroid belt, a hammered bracelet where the biblical tehom was given land and life. The heavens became synonymous with the sky and everything in it but Heaven is a specific feature of our solar system that remained unseen.

God also creates land plants before sea creatures which is wrong, and the Adam and Eve story is obviously complete fantasy, Noah's flood is complete fantasy, etc, etc...

God takes credit for the land, not the water. The seed of life came with whatever produced plate tectonics and land. But plant life (algaes, etc) did precede sea creatures. I'm not here to defend everything in the Bible.

That isn't a 'problem' with the theory. Both 'inside out' and 'outside in' theories involve volcanism playing an important role in creating the ocean:

If the Earth was covered with magma that solidified before an ocean outgassed, wouldn't we find evidence of the crust that formed before the ocean? Wouldn't all the rock we find from that period show evidence no ocean existed? The rock we do find formed in water. But Genesis is not describing how the world formed 4.5 bya, its describing what happened to it just before plate tectonics and life appeared. That makes our timeframe ~4 bya - the late heavy bombardment.

Also the circumstances in which the oldest dated rocks are not nearly so straightforward as you imply...the oldest 'rocks' seem to be gneisses which suggest water was involved in the chemistry going on at the time, but certainly not that these rocks 'formed underwater.' Hell, even the question of what is in fact the 'oldest rock' is not nearly so straightforward as you seem to think...

Zircons dating back 4.4 bya formed in water... We had an ocean 4 bya when the Earth got slammed by large objects big enough to plaster the Moon on one side.

"The myths". "The science". If you want to go on how the Enuma Elish is clearly a literal account of the creation of the solar system, knock yourself out, but making such sweeping statements as, "The myths mention a primordial ocean covering the land before being exposed and the appearance of life", without specifying which myths and then claiming that the possible early state of the Earth proves that the myths are true is frankly pointless.

You complain about cherry picking but you want me to cherry pick more myths? I already mentioned the diver animal myths from North America. I didn't know I was obliged to make a list of all the myths that follow the primordial water theme. Sounds like a lot of work, sorry.

I'm trying to just focus on Genesis. His generalizations about 'the myths' suggest to me that he doesn't know very many anyway.

its a valid generalization based on reading dozens of creation myths. How many have you read? How many have you read that didn't involve water and God producing land and life?
 
So what you are saying now is that the author of Genesis knew that what they were writing was wrong and that they intended it as mythology.

I was not thinking that. Saying that the moon is a bright light in the sky, is not mythology, because we can still see the moon as a bright light in the sky. It was not until we figured out that the moons phases meant that it was just reflecting the sun's light, that we as humans no longer thought of it as a literal light. And that is just assuming that we even know what they thought. The way that it has been portrayed in this thread is that it had to be mythology because humans were trying to explain what happened without being there. You call a light bulb a light, but it is clearly not a light when it is in a box and not in use. A light bulb cannot even produce light on it's own, just like the moon cannot produce light on it's own. I see nothing misleading when it is called a light at night, because that is when it is a light, just like a light bulb is a light when it is hooked up to electricity. There is nothing metaphorical about a non producing light being called a light when it does give off life.

For example, if God was the author, he would have known that the moon wasn't a light and the sky wasn't a dome, but he was just calling it that so that the ancient humans could grasp it? Is that what you are saying? Yes a light bulb is a light. No, I never said, or implied that only stars can be lights. Fire is light. A torch is a light. One of the key elements of light is energy or heat. That is one reason the sun is a light and the moon is not. As Lexicus so eloquently states, the light bulb is a light and the wall that is illuminated by the light from the bulb is not a light. The sun is the light and the moon that is illuminated by the suns light is not a light.

Neither a light bulb, or the moon produce light on their own. They both have to get their light from another source. The moon is the same as a light bulb in the box, and is rather useless as a light source until it can reflect the suns light on the appropriate side of the earth.

Its very straightforward, no matter how many twists and turns and hypotheticals you try to raise to cloud the issue. The moon is not a light. The sky is not a dome. The Earth did not exist before the sun or the stars and there certainly were not plants and animals on the earth before the sun. If you want to fall back on "God knew that, and he just wrote it that way cause humans wouldn't understand it otherwise" then you are admitting that Genesis is just a story, or myth, as it were, and whether God wrote it or not is irrelevant. It's inaccurate, a fantasy.

When you say cloud the issue, do you mean point out that one should call the moon a literal light, to prove that the Bible is wrong? We know that it is not a literal light, just like a light bulb cannot literally produce light on it's own. The Bible is only inaccurate if you state that the moon is a literal light. Calling the sun and moon a "ruler" of the day and night, is using figurative writing. It can hardly be deceptive when the same effect can be seen today.

The sky is more a dome, than a flat plane above the earth. The sky is roughly a sphere and a dome is half a sphere. God even told them the sky was a sphere, and humans still thought the earth was flat for thousands of years.


Where does it say that the earth came before the sun and stars? That is what Berzerker is trying to claim. My interpretation is that all matter was created at the same time, and placed through out the universe. It was matter without form and void. There was nothing to the matter that would define it as being anything other than matter. Void could be the emptiness of space. The argument is that earth cannot mean the material it is made of. My response is why not? If it was without form, how can it even be defined as the planet we call earth? it had no form, implying that it could not be recognized as the planet, but was still called the earth. The writing is from the perspective of one who exist on the earth, and it's relationship with the rest of the universe.

I am not even saying that verse one claims that every star, planet, or any other object in the universe was created fully formed and in the same condition as we observe the universe as being. It cannot even be proven that the universe began in an explosions from a single dot in the void of space. Humans can only "observe" from after the point of the initial origin. Which is the effect of light or extreme energy going through out the whole universe in a very short period of "time". The form or even size at the beginning can only be assumed. We assume that the light has been traveling for billions of years, because that is the size limit of what we can observe. Some believe that we cannot even see all of the universe, or that it goes on into infinity. The point is that the energy was instant in all of the universe at the same time. We see the universe as 14 billion years old, because the universe was that big at the point of the induction of light in the universe, and it was immediate and produced an immediate limit to what could be seen from any point in the universe. God says that within a few days, humans could see some if not all of the stars in the night sky. We are still seeing new ones with telescopes even being formed today, as in an ongoing process. The word made, does not have to be used the same as create. It does not say God created the sun, moon, and stars on the fourth day. The word "made" in the example you gave could mean that God forced them to be visible on the fourth day. It could mean that he formed them in such a way that their light was visible on the fourth day. If one forces a literal meaning that could be wrong, then yes the account would be wrong. The account is literal the usage of words is not bound to so narrow a definition that one today is forced to only use one meaning, when the words clearly themselves have more than one meaning, even at the time the Hebrews were using their own language, and they understood clearly what was being communicated. It is modern humans who are forcing definitions that create an incorrect impression. Or is that making an enforced impression so as to make it look stupid and ignorant? Even humans can make something out of nothing. Trying to make an issue where there is clearly none.

I do not think that any one can make the claim that the Hebrews were "scientist" in their infancy like other groups (Greeks), yet they had an account that can be reasoned out today, with current observations. Not with standing current humans trying to read into it something that does not make sense, and basically just to make it look wrong or out of line with current knowledge. Nor does it make sense that even in the last 500 years BCE. would be able to invent an account that reads in such a manner.

Plants and vegetation even today are stated to germinate best in the dark. So God planted all vegetation in the darkness before the light from the Sun appeared.

You do know that The Ten Commandments was just a movie, right? It wasn't a documentary.

If your god had to dumb things down so the people back then could understand them, why didn't he just create smarter people in the first place?


The Moon is sometimes visible during the day. Its reflected light is not helpful, though, since the Sun is so much brighter.

God did create smart people. Leaving them to their own imaginations made them dumb. I am not even saying that humans did not have great thinkers in ancient times, even if they lacked the technology. Why do we even consider that there are Ancient Wonders, or are those made up by modern humans and never existed? Writing a concise yet definitive account is not dumbing it down. It means that he did not list everything that happened. How much detail would it take to satisfy every human?

Just like English, Hebrew had different words, with similar meanings. And even a single word had several meanings. I read a book recently that some guy claims that the original language may have been English. Humans are evolving back into using the same language and meaning that was originally used. So their understanding could have been easily the same as we read it today. It is the theory that humans are evolving from a lower to a higher state that gives the impression they were dumber. We could just be evolving back into what we originally were before the Flood that the originals had in their historical accounts, which humans today refuse to accept happened in the past. It seems presumptuous on our part to claim we know the understanding level of those in the past.

I have only watched small portions of the "Ten Commandments". I have read the Bible, and heard it read dozens of times. If one thinks that a printed book can brain wash a person, then my parents were right that I should not read Edger Rice Burroughs, Isaac Asimov, Anne Mccaffrey, Frank Herbert, and all the other hundreds of books I have read. My brain has been thoroughly flooded. I did watch the "Gods of Egypt" recently and the flat earth concept sure looked cool, but I am not about to claim that the events actually happened. I also have the latest "Exodus Gods and Kings", but have not watched it yet. I understand that even in a fiction form one can appreciate the concept that some people have whether it is true or false, based on reality or not. When a person comments on an experience or puts it into words, we can try to prove them right or wrong for our own comfort level. I have to agree that the truth can only be experienced, and even then some experiences only happen in the mind.
 
I was not thinking that. Saying that the moon is a bright light in the sky, is not mythology, because we can still see the moon as a bright light in the sky. It was not until we figured out that the moons phases meant that it was just reflecting the sun's light, that we as humans no longer thought of it as a literal light.
Right, and right and back when we (humans) did not know that the moon was not a literal light like the sun, it made sense for us to think Genesis was literally correct. But now that we know that the moon isn't a light, we realize (or should realize) that Genesis is not accurate.
A light bulb cannot even produce light on it's own, just like the moon cannot produce light on it's own.
No they are not the same. You keep trying to use this analogy but it is no good, because you are ignoring the reason a light bulb illuminates versus the reason the moon illuminates. A light bulb is an artificial light source, and the reason a light bulb illuminates is because when it is given energy derived from burning fuel at some external source, it generates its own artificial light, while the sun on the other hand, is a natural light source that generates its own energy by constantly burning its own mass. The moon is incapable of generating light because the moon has no fuel to burn, and no way of converting fuel. The moon is not capable of generating light the way a light bulb is. When a light bulb is connected to an energy source it is like a tiny artificial sun, generating its own light by consuming energy. This is absolutely nothing like simply reflecting light, like the moon or the walls of a room do. The moon and a light bulb are not comparable, because they don't illuminate for the same reason... so your attempt to compare them based on the fact that "they can't light on their own" fails.

And why are we talking about light bulbs anyway? There were no light bulbs when Genesis was written. Again, the moon is not a light. The sun is a light. Genesis clearly claims that both are lights, therefore Genesis is wrong, either intentionally or unintentionally.
 
God did create smart people. Leaving them to their own imaginations made them dumb. I am not even saying that humans did not have great thinkers in ancient times, even if they lacked the technology. Why do we even consider that there are Ancient Wonders, or are those made up by modern humans and never existed? Writing a concise yet definitive account is not dumbing it down. It means that he did not list everything that happened. How much detail would it take to satisfy every human?
I am quite aware that the ancient civilizations had people who were sufficiently skilled at mathematics and engineering to have created the Pyramids and other ancient wonders. Space aliens are not required. But neither are gods.

If humans didn't have the capacity for imagination, how far do you think our species would have gotten? Imagination, like any other tool, can be used for positive or negative purposes.

Genesis is hardly "definitive." It's an example of human imagination, but it's been turned to negative purposes.

I read a book recently that some guy claims that the original language may have been English. Humans are evolving back into using the same language and meaning that was originally used. So their understanding could have been easily the same as we read it today.
This is ridiculous. What is the title and author of the book?

It is the theory that humans are evolving from a lower to a higher state that gives the impression they were dumber. We could just be evolving back into what we originally were before the Flood that the originals had in their historical accounts, which humans today refuse to accept happened in the past. It seems presumptuous on our part to claim we know the understanding level of those in the past.
The flood is just fiction, and I get the impression that you don't really understand what is meant by evolution.

I have only watched small portions of the "Ten Commandments".
Oh? I've seen the Charlton Heston version (I presume that's the one you're talking about) over a dozen times during my life. It used to be an annual event in my family's household, every Easter Sunday. I appreciate the cinematography, but every time I see it, I have more and more of a :rolleyes: reaction toward Heston.

I have read the Bible, and heard it read dozens of times. If one thinks that a printed book can brain wash a person, then my parents were right that I should not read Edger Rice Burroughs, Isaac Asimov, Anne Mccaffrey, Frank Herbert, and all the other hundreds of books I have read. My brain has been thoroughly flooded.
It's not so much what you read, but what you take away from it. I've read the bible, too, and have enough Edgar Rice Burroughs, Isaac Asimov, Anne McCaffrey, and Frank Herbert books in my personal library to fill several bookshelves. But ERB stories are basically just barbarian fantasy, and some of Asimov's stuff is seriously dated. That said, I still enjoy some of his stories, and have read many of his essays as well as all three volumes of his autobiography (heavy reading in the literal sense; those books are huge). I'm not so much into McCaffrey, and plan to weed her stuff out of my collection. As for Frank Herbert, if you mean the Dune series, I'm curious to know what you took away from those.
 
You complain about cherry picking but you want me to cherry pick more myths? I already mentioned the diver animal myths from North America. I didn't know I was obliged to make a list of all the myths that follow the primordial water theme. Sounds like a lot of work, sorry.
... its a valid generalization based on reading dozens of creation myths. How many have you read? How many have you read that didn't involve water and God producing land and life?

And if that's your only reason to claim that they are backed by science, that's such an incredibly low bar as to be useless. Norse mythology doesn't feature a watery void at all, the Greek creation stories talk about Chaos and Night and eventually how everything sprang from the union of multiple elder deities, and whilst the Egyptian creation story mentions a watery void, the story either has gods springing into existence (along with their various aspects) or everything being named or "seeded" into life. Where's the rest of the science in any of that?
 
This is ridiculous. What is the title and author of the book?
"Some guy in Weaseltown", by Duke Weselton (pronounced "whiste-ton"... allegedly)

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