In the Beginning...

[Berzerker]

No, Adam was expelled from the garden to work for his living. That's literally in Genesis. Unlike your gibberish about divine years.

Why did God take the Adam to the Garden?

 

[timtofly]

In time, when men began to multiply on earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were attractive; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Adonai said, “My Spirit will not live in human beings forever, for they too are flesh; therefore their life span is to be 120 years.” 4 The N’filim were on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; these were the ancient heroes, men of renown.

 

[Nick Carpathia]

Noah was a damn lightweight, I could drink him under the table any day.

 

[Arakhor]

Sitchin believes 432,000 years before the Flood the gods came down and established their operations here on Earth. Their toil led to rebellion and the creation of man by combining divine blood with a creature roaming Enki's southern domain (SN Kramer - Mythologies of the Ancient World).

So, instead of evolution, humanity is literally the result of Ancient Aliens (TM)?

I think that if we weren't already way beyond plausible evidence by now, we certainly are now!

 

[warpus]

Come on, I've read the Bible, there aren't any ancient aliens in there.

 

[El_Machinae]

God didn't tell Noah man's days are 120 years

Ah, you're right. Yeah. That's more when He passes judgement and then decides to have the Flood 120 years later.

 

[Lexicus]

So, instead of evolution, humanity is literally the result of Ancient Aliens (TM)?

I think that if we weren't already way beyond plausible evidence by now, we certainly are now!

Well it's pretty obvious that the Garden of Eden refers to an earlier incarnation of the Matrix.

 

[Arakhor]

Ooh, a biological version of The Talos Principle?

 

[Berzerker]

So, instead of evolution, humanity is literally the result of Ancient Aliens (TM)?

I think that if we weren't already way beyond plausible evidence by now, we certainly are now!

I dont know why you've just stumbled upon the premise after all these threads, but Genesis describes the evolution of man and the Sumerian myth claims an existing creature was modified to produce a primitive worker. The Zulu also have a myth about the olden times when the artificial ones (their ancestors) were at war with the apemen.

Ah, you're right. Yeah. That's more when He passes judgement and then decides to have the Flood 120 years later.

A problem with the idea is that man wasn't created 432,000 years before the Flood, the Sumerians describe a lengthy process by which trial and error eventually led to "us" and that process only began after the lower gods rebelled against all the labor required of them. So the 120 years (432,000) marked the amount of time between the arrival of God and the Flood.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Sitchin believes 432,000 years before the Flood the gods came down and established their operations here on Earth. Their toil led to rebellion and the creation of man by combining divine blood with a creature roaming Enki's southern domain (SN Kramer - Mythologies of the Ancient World).

I dont know why you've just stumbled upon the premise after all these threads, but Genesis describes the evolution of man and the Sumerian myth claims an existing creature was modified to produce a primitive worker. The Zulu also have a myth about the olden times when the artificial ones (their ancestors) were at war with the apemen.

A problem with the idea is that man wasn't created 432,000 years before the Flood, the Sumerians describe a lengthy process by which trial and error eventually led to "us" and that process only began after the lower gods rebelled against all the labor required of them. So the 120 years (432,000) marked the amount of time between the arrival of God and the Flood.

So the aliens arrived when homo erectus was active and the neanderthals were just taking off. And while we do have artifacts from both of those, we have nothing from the much more advanced space travelers. Curious. Modern humans didn't show up for more than 200,000 years.

So who was interbreeding with who and when to produce mitochondrial Eve?

What was the trial and error process you are talking about?

 

[onejayhawk]

Well it's pretty obvious that the Garden of Eden refers to an earlier incarnation of the Matrix.

Suppose that was literally true. How would the Biblical story read? Who would tell it? How would they know? What sort of transmission error could we expect?

J

 

[Berzerker]

So the aliens arrived when homo erectus was active and the neanderthals were just taking off. And while we do have artifacts from both of those, we have nothing from the much more advanced space travelers. Curious. Modern humans didn't show up for more than 200,000 years.

So who was interbreeding with who and when to produce mitochondrial Eve?

What was the trial and error process you are talking about?

Sumerian myth describes efforts to produce primitive workers capable of taking over the menial labor of the gods. This process produced creatures who failed reaching that goal and were replaced by increasingly intelligent creatures.

Eventually "Adapa" was made and offered the tree of life which he declined. The serpent deity (Enki) responsible for Adapa feared he would be poisoned instead advised him to refuse food and drink.

According to Sitchin the process began "40 years" (144,000 years) after God's arrival or roughly 300,000 years ago. It was some time after this period that Adapa was made and presented to Anu for "judgement". Sitchin came up with this theory before researchers discovered anatomically modern humans started popping up in Ethiopia 200k+ years ago.

And God took the man he formed eastward to his Garden... The Persian Gulf is eastward from Ethiopia. When did Adam and Eve live? Hard to say, the Garden (or its one time location) was destroyed by the Flood following the end of the ice age and the Gulf region was land between ~75-12ka and intermittently before that. The region was under water ~130-105ka, so we could be dealing with an oral tradition from deep into our past.

This is why Genesis describes two creation accounts, the 6th day people were told to be fruitful and multiply. God later took the Adam he had made to his Garden and formed Eve. But this couple was expelled from the Garden for having kids.

This conflict between God and the Serpent (and why the serpent is credited with our 'knowledge') stems from the Sumerian stories about Enlil and Enki.

Enlil wanted to keep an impending Flood secret from humans (he wasn't a big fan of people) but Enki (the serpent deity) saved us thru the Sumerian Noah.

 

[Lexicus]

Suppose that was literally true. How would the Biblical story read? Who would tell it? How would they know? What sort of transmission error could we expect?

J

I hereby refer your question to Berzerker.

 

[Berzerker]

no thanks, you're responsible for your own debate with J

 

[El_Machinae]

A problem with the idea is that man wasn't created 432,000 years before the Flood, the Sumerians describe a lengthy process by which trial and error eventually led to "us" and that process only began after the lower gods rebelled against all the labor required of them. So the 120 years (432,000) marked the amount of time between the arrival of God and the Flood.

Hmmmn, that doesn't really work. In the passage, God is clearly judging mankind to have failed.

But yes, the fact that the timeline doesn't fit natural history has long been the problem with Genesis.

 

[Arakhor]

I dont know why you've just stumbled upon the premise after all these threads, but Genesis describes the evolution of man and the Sumerian myth claims an existing creature was modified to produce a primitive worker. The Zulu also have a myth about the olden times when the artificial ones (their ancestors) were at war with the apemen.

My ancestors have a myth about the Trojan hero Aeneas coming to Britain and founding a millennium-long dynasty of kings, long before the Romans arrived. That doesn't mean any of it was remotely true.

I thought the whole point of pseudo-science was to have at least some evidence supporting all those wild theories. Graham Hancock can point to stellar arrangements, atypical erosion on the Sphinx and other probably unconnected things, David Rohl can talk about positions of mummies and Serapis bulls etc., but if the best Sitchin can do to posit our "real" progenitors half a million years ago is numerology, ancient myths and wishful thinking, then he's writing fiction and not even a pretence at science.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Sumerian myth describes efforts to produce primitive workers capable of taking over the menial labor of the gods. This process produced creatures who failed reaching that goal and were replaced by increasingly intelligent creatures.

Eventually "Adapa" was made and offered the tree of life which he declined. The serpent deity (Enki) responsible for Adapa feared he would be poisoned instead advised him to refuse food and drink.

According to Sitchin the process began "40 years" (144,000 years) after God's arrival or roughly 300,000 years ago. It was some time after this period that Adapa was made and presented to Anu for "judgement". Sitchin came up with this theory before researchers discovered anatomically modern humans started popping up in Ethiopia 200k+ years ago.

And God took the man he formed eastward to his Garden... The Persian Gulf is eastward from Ethiopia. When did Adam and Eve live? Hard to say, the Garden (or its one time location) was destroyed by the Flood following the end of the ice age and the Gulf region was land between ~75-12ka and intermittently before that. The region was under water ~130-105ka, so we could be dealing with an oral tradition from deep into our past.

This is why Genesis describes two creation accounts, the 6th day people were told to be fruitful and multiply. God later took the Adam he had made to his Garden and formed Eve. But this couple was expelled from the Garden for having kids.

This conflict between God and the Serpent (and why the serpent is credited with our 'knowledge') stems from the Sumerian stories about Enlil and Enki.

Enlil wanted to keep an impending Flood secret from humans (he wasn't a big fan of people) but Enki (the serpent deity) saved us thru the Sumerian Noah.

Ok, I looked up Sitchin's timeline. OMG.

Berzerker, you do realize that that a goodly portion of this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, don't you?

Spoiler :

Events Before the Deluge

450,000 years ago
On Nibiru, a distant member of our solar system, life faces slow extinction as the planet's atmosphere erodes. Deposed by Anu, the ruler Alalu escapes in a spaceship and finds refuge on Earth. He discovers that Earth has gold that can be used to protect Nibiru's atmosphere.

The Sumerian Gods

445,000
Led by Enki, a son of Anu, the Anunnaki land on Earth, establish Eridu -Earth Station I - for extracting gold from the waters of the Persian Gulf.

430,000
Earth's climate mellows. More Anunnaki arrive on Earth, among them Enki's half-sister Ninhursag, Chief Medical Officer.

416,000
As gold production falters, Anu arrives on Earth with Enlil, the heir apparent. It is decided to obtain the vital gold by mining it in southern Africa. Drawing lots, Enlil wins command of Earth Mission; Enki is relegated to Africa. On departing Earth, Anu is challenged by Alalu's grandson.

400,000
Seven functional settlements in southern Mesopotamia include a Spaceport (Sippar), Mission Control Center (Nippur), a metallurgical center (Shuruppak). The ores arrive by ships from Africa; the refined metal is sent aloft to orbiters manned by Igigi, then transferred to spaceships arriving periodically from Nibiru.

380,000
Gaining the support of the Igigi, Alalu's grandson attempts to seize mastery over Earth. The Enlilites win the War of the Olden Gods.

300,000
The Anunnaki toiling in the gold mines mutiny. Enki and Ninhursag create Primitive Workers through genetic manipulation of Ape woman; they take over the manual chores of the Anunnaki. Enlil raids the mines, brings the Primitive Workers to the Edin in Mesopotamia. Given the ability to procreate, Homo Sapiens begins to multiply.

200,000
Life on Earth regresses during a new glacial period.

100,000
Climate warms again. The Anunnaki (the biblical Nephilim), to Enlil's growing annoyance, marry the daughters of Man.

75,000
The "accursation of Earth" - a new Ice Age-begins. Regressive types of Man roam the Earth . Cro-Magnon man survives.

49,000
Enki and Ninhursag elevate humans of Anunnaki parentage to rule in Shuruppak. Enlil, enraged. plots Mankind's demise.

13,000
Realizing that the passage of Nibiru in Earth's proximity will trigger an immense tidal wave, Enlil makes the Anunnaki swear to keep the impending calamity a secret from Mankind.

Events After the Deluge

11,000 B.C.
Enki breaks the oath, instructs Ziusudra/Noah to build a submersible ship. The Deluge sweeps over the Earth; the Anunnaki witness the total destruction from their orbiting spacecraft.

Enlil agrees to grant the remnants of Mankind implements and seeds; agriculture begins in the highlands. Enki domesticates animals.

10,500 B.C.
The descendants of Noah are allotted three regions. Ninurta, Enlil's foremost son, dams the mountains and drains the rivers to make Mesopotamia habitable; Enki reclaims the Nile valley. The Sinai peninsula is retained by the Anunnaki for a post-Diluvial spaceport; a control center is established on Mount Moriah (the future Jerusalem).

9,780 B.C.
Ra/Marduk, Enki's firstborn son, divides dominion over Egypt between Osiris and Seth.

9,330 B.C.
Seth seizes and dismembers Osiris, assumes sole rule over the Nile Valley.

8,970 B.C.
Horus avenges his father Osiris by launching the First Pyramid War. Seth escapes to Asia, seizes the Sinai peninsula and Canaan.

8,670 B.C.
Opposed to the resulting control of all the space facilities by Enki's descendants, the Enlilites launch the Second Pyramid War. The victorious Ninurta empties the Great Pyramid of its equipment.

Ninhursag, half-sister of Enki and Enlil, convenes peace conference. The division of Earth is reaffirmed. Rule over Egypt transferred from the Ra/Marduk dynasty to that of Thoth. Heliopolis built as a substitute Beacon City.

8,500 B.C.
The Anunnaki establish outposts at the gateway to the space facilities; Jericho is one of them.

7,400 B.C.
As the era of peace continues, the Anunnaki grant Mankind new advances; the Neolithic period begins. Demi-gods rule over Egypt.

3,800 B.C.
Urban civilization begins in Sumer as the Anunnaki reestablish there the Olden Cities, beginning with Eridu and Nippur.

Anu comes to Earth for a pageantful visit. A new city, Uruk (Erech), is built in his honor; he makes its temple the abode of his beloved granddaughter Inanna/lshtar.

Kingship on Earth

3,760
Mankind granted kingship. Kish is first capital under the aegis of Ninurta. The calendar begun at Nippur. Civilization blossoms out in Sumer (the First Region).

3,450
Primacy in Sumer transferred to Nannar/Sin. Marduk proclaims Babylon "Gateway of the Gods." The "Tower of Babel" incident. The Anunnaki confuse Mankind's languages.

His coup frustrated, Marduk/Ra returns to Egypt, deposes Thoth, seizes his younger brother Dumuzi who had betrothed Inanna. Dumuzi accidentally killed; Marduk imprisoned alive in the Great Pyramid. Freed through an emergency shaft, he goes into exile.

3,100-3, 350
years of chaos end with installation of first Egyptian Pharaoh in Memphis. Civilization comes to the Second Region.

2,900
Kingship in Sumer transferred to Erech. Inanna given dominion over the Third Region; the Indus Valley Civilization begins.

2,650
Sumer's royal capital shifts about. Kingship deteriorates. Enlil loses patience with the unruly human multitudes.

2,371
Inanna falls in love with Sharru-Kin (Sargon). He establishes new capital city Agade (Akkad). Akkadian empire launched.

2,316
Aiming to rule the four regions, Sargon removes sacred soil from Babylon. The Marduk-Inanna conflict flares up again. It ends when Nergal, Marduk's brother, journeys from south Africa to Babylon and persuades Marduk to leave Mesopotamia.

2,291
Naram-Sin ascends the throne of Akkad. Directed by the warlike Inanna, he penetrates the Sinai peninsula, invades Egypt.

2,255
Inanna usurps the power in Mesopotamia; Naram-Sin defies Nippur. The Great Anunnaki obliterate Agade. Inanna escapes. Sumer and Akkad occupied by foreign troops loyal to Enlil and Ninurta.

2,220
Sumerian civilization rises to new heights under enlightened rulers of Lagash. Thoth helps its king Gudea build a ziggurat-temple for Ninurta.

2,193
Terah, Abraham's father, born in Nippur into a priestly-royal family.

2,180
Egypt divided; followers of Ra/Marduk retain the south; Pharaohs opposed to him gain the throne of lower Egypt.

2,130
As Enlil and Ninurta are increasingly away, central authority also deteriorates in Mesopotamia. Inanna's attempts to regain the kingship for Erech does not last.

The Fateful Century

B.C 2,123
Abraham born in Nippur.

2,113
Enlil entrusts the Lands of Shem to Nannar; Ur declared capital of new empire. Ur- Nammmu ascends throne, is named Protector of Nippur. A Nippurian priest - Terah, Abraham's father - comes to Ur to liaison with its royal court.

2,096
Ur-Nammu dies in battle. The people consider his untimely death a betrayal by Anu and Enlil. Terah departs with his family for Harran.

2,095
Shulgi ascends the throne of Ur, strengthens imperial ties. As empire thrives, Shulgi falls under charms of Inanna, becomes her lover. Grants Larsa to Elamites in exchange for serving as his Foreign Legion.

2,080
Theban princes loyal to Ra/Marduk press northward under Mentuhotep I. Nabu, Marduk's son, gains adherents for his father in Western Asia.

2,055
On Nannar's orders, Shulgi sends Elamite troops to suppress unrest in Canaanite cities. Elamites reach the gateway to the Sinai peninsula and its Spaceport.

2,048
Shulgi dies. Marduk moves to the Land of the Hittites. Abraham ordered to southern Canaan with an elite corps of cavalrymen.

2,047
Amar-Sin (the biblical Amraphel) becomes king of Ur. Abraham goes to Egypt, stays five years, then returns with more troops.

2,041
Guided by Inanna, Amar-Sin forms a coalition of Kings of the East, launches military expedition to Canaan and the Sinai. Its leader is the Elamite Khedor-la'omer. Abraham blocks the advance at the gateway to the Spaceport.

2,038
Shu-Sin replaces Amar-Sin on throne of Ur as the empire disintegrates.

2,029
Ibbi-Sin replaces Shu-Sin. The western provinces increasingly to Marduk.

2,024
Leading his followers, Marduk marches on Sumer, enthrones himself in Babylon. Fighting spreads to central Mesopotamia. Nippur's Holy of Holies is defiled. Enlil demands punishment for Marduk and Nabu; Enki opposes, but his son Nergal sides with Enlil.

As Nabu marshals his Canaanite followers to capture the Spaceport, the Great Anunnaki approve of the use of nuclear weapons. Nergal and Ninurta destroy the Spaceport and the errant Canaanite cities.

2,023
The winds carry the radioactive cloud to Sumer. People die a terrible death, animals perish, the water is poisoned, the soil becomes barren. Sumer and its great civilization lie prostrate. Its legacy passes to Abraham's seed as he begets -at age 100- a legitimate heir: Isaac.

 

[Arakhor]

The backstory to Assassin's Creed is more credible than that!

 

[Nick Carpathia]

The Niburans were total losers who couldn't hold down jobs and just sucked up welfare and handouts. We need to build a wall, keep them out oUT OUT.

 

[timtofly]

Sumerian myth describes efforts to produce primitive workers capable of taking over the menial labor of the gods. This process produced creatures who failed reaching that goal and were replaced by increasingly intelligent creatures.

Eventually "Adapa" was made and offered the tree of life which he declined. The serpent deity (Enki) responsible for Adapa feared he would be poisoned instead advised him to refuse food and drink.

According to Sitchin the process began "40 years" (144,000 years) after God's arrival or roughly 300,000 years ago. It was some time after this period that Adapa was made and presented to Anu for "judgement". Sitchin came up with this theory before researchers discovered anatomically modern humans started popping up in Ethiopia 200k+ years ago.

And God took the man he formed eastward to his Garden... The Persian Gulf is eastward from Ethiopia. When did Adam and Eve live? Hard to say, the Garden (or its one time location) was destroyed by the Flood following the end of the ice age and the Gulf region was land between ~75-12ka and intermittently before that. The region was under water ~130-105ka, so we could be dealing with an oral tradition from deep into our past.

This is why Genesis describes two creation accounts, the 6th day people were told to be fruitful and multiply. God later took the Adam he had made to his Garden and formed Eve. But this couple was expelled from the Garden for having kids.

This conflict between God and the Serpent (and why the serpent is credited with our 'knowledge') stems from the Sumerian stories about Enlil and Enki.

Enlil wanted to keep an impending Flood secret from humans (he wasn't a big fan of people) but Enki (the serpent deity) saved us thru the Sumerian Noah.

The only plausible issue with this that I have is one point. If adapa/Adam was the final and perfect product, why is he locked in prison with a female, and upon reproduction gets kicked out? I thought the whole point was to produce workers?