IOT Organisational and Discussion Thread

Then can anyone who IOTs give me some feedback on my new rules?
 
Seem good. I mean, can't make my corporate empire but all well. I'm in a Prussian mood right now anyways.
 
Any criticisms of the rules? I'm thinking of revising the casualty mechanics.
 
Could you use a different map? :D
 
Okay, I added the map. Is there anything else? If there's one thing I'm really tired of, it's getting no criticism when adding rules here and then getting a flurry of criticism once I actually post it.
 
Needing to control a sea to colonise seems a little over the top, not being blocked from it would be enough.
 
@Sonereal
Aaaugh, I can't believe I forgot to add rules on infrastructure. I'll also try and lower the cost for armies and navies, too.

@Hopilite

I said "either own or border". You can still claim an overseas territory provided they both border the same sea zone regardless of whether you own it or not (but not if you're blockaded).
 
Robert Can't said:
I've always wanted to join an NES, I like the greater focus on the RP and that it is more important than the game play in a way. However it all seems like an elite and secretive society who wouldn't like it if anyone new came along, so I've never summed up the courage to post in that section; Its intimidating.

And we have mental capacity, we just apply it to other things.
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This whole (illegal) debate caused a little stir which I stumbled upon in the NESers' WWW thread, so I read the whole flame wars and I have to say a few things - not as a debate entry. (Which would make me risk an infraction even more - fingers crossed for the mods being a little overbearing of me now.) I was just really sad to see our representation in some of these posters' eyes, so I want to jump in and post this just shortly, not trying to provoke anything.

I'm sorry that some of us acted uppity about things. Some of us are a little old and like our pride with what we've done for so many years - it's, to some people, an old man's club. Please don't think of all of us like that. We really like, and from time to time, need, new blood, so if anyone is curious about NESing, you're welcome to join anything.

Most of the uppity people rarely play anymore (Because they're uppity). The cult is mostly gone. :p

If you've always been fascinated by the RP, there are plenty of things to take a look at right now. Most of the current games are story based and are open to entrants because we like people taking part in our worlds.

hoplitejoe said:
Perhaps the first thing to do would be to stop considering NES a superior game style but a different one. Even when you are trying to be polite (and I do appreciate that) the fact you think it is better just kinda leaks out. Calling IOT (or even comparing it to) NES light is just massively degrading. Saying it is on a whole different level is degrading. It is a different, but equal one.

Finally, one of the most important fact I can not stress enough, Complexity=/=Greater Strategy.
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NESes aren't superior, but actually NESlite is a term we have for NES games that happen to be less overtly complex - and they usually resemble IOT somewhat, from what I can see in the IOT forum. IOT actually looks a lot like boardgame/arcade NESes (A long time ago, some NESers sat down together and assembled NESing theory which parted the forum in four categories of games. Boardgame and arcade are two of those categories. Yes, we're that geeky) that today are called NESlites. They're not lite because they're easier, less strategically complex, they're just lighter. Many NESes do require a ridiculous amount of investment in order to have things run smoothly, which is one of the reasons I'm not that active anymore. I'm sorry if you still feel that the brand "NESlite" is a negative, ridiculing one, because it really isn't. It's just different.

Which makes me want to address the other part of your point - you are very right in that more complexity doesn't equalize greater strategy.

If I were to compare the current state of NESing (Since there have been many), they are a lot like Paradox strategy games, while IOT seems to be more like boardgames, Civ or Warcraft III, perhaps. Note that a tournament scene only exists for the IOT metaphor - the most accurate measurement of skill. Playing a NES to win takes skill too, like EU2 does if you want to conquer Europe, but that skill is more easily translated into pure energy investment which NESers tend to take pride in.

EDIT: Some IOT games are a lot like Paradox games though, moreso than NESian creative endeavours, but I'm trying to outline the general tendency, not a strict rule.

NESes are great for a whole slew of different things other than being forum games though. Currently, I draw art, write music and poetry, and try to create prose for my nations.

~~

But here's the point of this post: Reading this debate made me consider making an IOT, which will be untraditional because a) I'm like that, never make traditional NESes either, b) they seem to tax less on my spare time, which makes me happy: I just recently tried hosting a NES again, and it failed because I didn't have the time, and c) I really, really like making rulesets of some reason.
 
lord_joakim said:
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But here's the point of this post: Reading this debate made me consider making an IOT, which will be untraditional because a) I'm like that, never make traditional NESes either, b) they seem to tax less on my spare time, which makes me happy: I just recently tried hosting a NES again, and it failed because I didn't have the time, and c) I really, really like making rulesets of some reason.
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As someone who plays both, I thank you for the above post. I am also intrigued by your foray into IOT and look forward to seeing your game should you indeed develop it.
 
I wonder when I&B2 comes out.
 
Promotion for something:

God Save the King, a medieval RPG where we play as Normans and brutally kill everyone else, starting with the Saxons.

This is my character.
 
It's not a NES, it's an RPG, and I only posted it here because I know almost every IOTer to some extent.

OT: The IOT index in the first post needs some cleaning up. It's just a big blob of information.
 
I think it works as it is, it is best if we don't make it a chore to add to.
 
What is the purpose of this thread?
 
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