IOT Organisational and Discussion Thread

[Ailedhoo]

Maybe if you like NES so much you should join them. We don't need a merger.

Why not? The merger would allow ease for GMs to work together, grant greater access for players, remove the silly divisions that only appear more arbitrary, encourage creativity by the mixing and allow a single section for STGers on the Frontier to set their embassy at.

NES and IOT are not alien to each other; the more for the merger emerge from the realization.

 

[JohannaK]

Oh, I am a NESer too, or I was until the exodus.

 

[Civ'ed]

I don't see a currently (and before you shout "BUT ESS KAY" note I said CURRENTLY and ONLY) only-NES GM running an IOT, and I don't see myself or some other failed GMs running a NES. Maybe I should play risk if this merger happens - at least in Risk I can get away with not writing a penny dreadful every time I have to explain why I take over a province.

 

[Ailedhoo]

I don't see a currently (and before you shout "BUT ESS KAY" note I said CURRENTLY and ONLY) only-NES GM running an IOT, and I don't see myself or some other failed GMs running a NES. Maybe I should play risk if this merger happens - at least in Risk I can get away with not writing a penny dreadful every time I have to explain why I take over a province.

Are you by many ways moving the goal post by giving new conditions for us to meet? I ask because it began with argument other NES, then to a reputation you claim IOTs have, now this. You also declared no pleasure from writings... both in NES and IOT. I can understand if you want a pure Risk style game but the question of both NES and IOT is that they neither reflective of Risk. Even the most Risk like IOTs have elements of the game Diplomacy within. Even the more stat focused and less RP friendly game has elements of story as players seek to make deals with each other.

As for the goal post: SouthernKing is a personalization of the blending. The King of the South also had a project you might be known of...

As for NES only; why not talk about IOTer only figure or such? Mixing by nature go beyond the artificial boundaries. Borders are man made.

 

[Civ'ed]

Hey, if you think it works, you're free to move your IOTs to NES, because you feel a need to expand a community that doesn't necessarily want it. I'd rather keep the two separate - we've got the same mods and we're free to join each other's games, but administratively this is purely easier.

IOT isn't supposed to be welcoming to everyone. Why should we accept NESers, other than "muh creativity", which implies that IOTers are not creative and can't achieve anything?

 

[christos200]

I do not see the need to merge because, frankly, there is nothing to gain from it: some IOTers and many NESers do not want the merge, for their own reasons, and those merging proposals are always met with anger (especially from NESers) and end up as pointless spam as the merging is cancelled since NESers do not want a merge. So, it is a waste of time.

And, really, why merge when with two clicks you can go to the NES/IOT subforum and play the NES/IOT you want? It is not like if we merge more NESers will join IOTs. Those NESers who join IOTs already do so. I do not see how it is of any practical help to merge the forums, except if you are lazy enough to not bother to go to the other subforum.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Hey, if you think it works, you're free to move your IOTs to NES, because you feel a need to expand a community that doesn't necessarily want it. I'd rather keep the two separate - we've got the same mods and we're free to join each other's games, but administratively this is purely easier.

Why does the request to merge come with this? I ask because the whole point of merging was of logistical easiness and commutative harmonics. I have heard of how players feel camp out because of the two boards; they are difficult in focusing on both. The merge would ease and allow encouragement in gaming logistics.

I am not free to move IOTs to NES because IOTs are NES and NESes are IOT in how we come to be so similar.

So happens that Tani once moved a IOT to NES and it was still the same in order; what your suggesting is providing even more evident that NES and IOT should logically merge. We have enough evidence to renew a debate.

IOT isn't supposed to be welcoming to everyone. Why should we accept NESers, other than "muh creativity", which implies that IOTers are not creative and can't achieve anything?

Poisoning the well by stating implying over my expression of a serge of experimentalism is not a honorable tactic of debate! The merging is to the benefit of both IOT and NES, as Tyo demonstrated in his opinion piece! As for welcoming both we and NES should give second chances to people if possible. IOT and NES should not be closed communities but rather open. We must not adopt a policy of the isolationist. Union would help hinder any false boundaries.

 

[Civ'ed]

You could also respond to Christos' argument, which I throw my support behind (not that anybody wants it)

 

[Ailedhoo]

You could also respond to Christos' argument, which I throw my support behind (not that anybody wants it)

He came while I was writing my post to you; I will however entertain you with a reply to Chris.

I do not see the need to merge because, frankly, there is nothing to gain from it: some IOTers and many NESers do not want the merge, for their own reasons, and those merging proposals are always met with anger (especially from NESers) and end up as pointless spam as the merging is cancelled since NESers do not want a merge. So, it is a waste of time.

And, really, why merge when with two clicks you can go to the NES/IOT subforum and play the NES/IOT you want? It is not like if we merge more NESers will join IOTs. Those NESers who join IOTs already do so. I do not see how it is of any practical help to merge the forums, except if you are lazy enough to not bother to go to the other subforum.

Many and some? We need a referendum again on the matter; last time there was issue of how it was advertised. Now we have to deal that and the nature of migration to the Frontier which means the make up of NES that stays within or is mixed with CFC may have altered. It is not a waste of time to seek out considerations, especially over the ills caused by the division of "us vs them" which to be quite frank can only hinder creativity by placing some questionable standard of "what a NES/IOT is and what it is not" which quite frankly may scare off potential GMs, even gifted ones. We will of course need consent but we need not make presumptions of their views till we have conducted a more up to date survey.

The ease is I confess true to certain extent, though I have seen some posters on the chat rooms who would not go to the other due to being in different boards hence more time taken. Still I concur on the ease of forum travel but the similarities of both NES and IOT make little sense for them to be separated into these two camps, which in turn gives negative messages that deter observations of both. Still it is a good argument against the merger is the ease one can to brows both sections. I guess the issue hence comes to the physiological notions of certain players. That said the making of the "us vs them" has the danger of making players who try something first be deterred from going to the other by the myths of "the enemy" that may emerge. My fear is hence the nature of the separation.

 

[Sonereal]

FFS the horse is dead, stop beating it. No merge.

 

[NinjaCow64]

This is the wrong thread to have this argument, take it to Argentina.

Also I disagree with the merger, it creates drama that does not need to happen and the benefits will be marginal at best.

 

[CivOasis]

I wasn't even aware that there was enough of an active population in either forum to even comment on either of them as alive. It doesn't seem like NES or IOT have been particularly player-active in quite some time.

 

[SamSniped]

I do not see the need to merge because, frankly, there is nothing to gain from it: some IOTers and many NESers do not want the merge, for their own reasons, and those merging proposals are always met with anger (especially from NESers) and end up as pointless spam as the merging is cancelled since NESers do not want a merge. So, it is a waste of time.

And, really, why merge when with two clicks you can go to the NES/IOT subforum and play the NES/IOT you want? It is not like if we merge more NESers will join IOTs. Those NESers who join IOTs already do so. I do not see how it is of any practical help to merge the forums, except if you are lazy enough to not bother to go to the other subforum.

Christos makes the best case against it, I think. Merging would make both look more alive, but that's about it.

I wasn't even aware that there was enough of an active population in either forum to even comment on either of them as alive. It doesn't seem like NES or IOT have been particularly player-active in quite some time.

School starting up usually gives the forum that sorta "we're dying" air that comes and goes based off of vacations and breaks

 

[Civ'ed]

I feel like at this point, merger discussion should be placed in the same category as some other stuff we don't talk about.

 

[SamSniped]

I feel like at this point, merger discussion should be placed in the same category as some other stuff we don't talk about.

Like an infamous war on the Civ4 S&T Forums involving certain tropical avians?

 

[Civ'ed]

Like an infamous war on the Civ4 S&T Forums involving certain tropical avians?

Also Bacon Tomato Lettuce sandwiches and Caroll's works

 

[BSmith1068]

Maybe I should play risk if this merger happens - at least in Risk I can get away with not writing a penny dreadful every time I have to explain why I take over a province.

TBH I would love a Risk type game... I might actually be able to find the time and energy to play one.

IOT isn't supposed to be welcoming to everyone.

I would disagree.

 

[Sonereal]

[welcoming intensifies]

 

[Tyo]

Jesus guys it's a simple yes/no

 

[Sonereal]

This is bull. You're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of no longer adding anything to the discussion.