Nukeknockout
Rusty Hinge
For threatening nuclear war, the Falklands denounces China. One province is not worth the end of the world as we know it.
IOTMAD: Mutually Assured Destruction
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For threatening nuclear war, the Falklands denounces China. One province is not worth the end of the world as we know it.
christos200
Never tell me the odds
Then persuade Turan to let China have Sinkiang.
Lighthearter
President of the United States
Update could happen anytime.
Still missing orders from:
-Second Lenin
-French Commune
-Indonesia
-USCM
-Fourth Reich
Get them in FAST and I'll accept them. No guarantees after somewhere between 2 and 3PM EST though.
Note: China's declaration of war means that both it and Turan - and now Wali - are automatically at DEFCON 3 unless they specify in their orders they wish to remain at 4. If China had launched an attack without the benefit of a DOW, they would be at 3 and their victim at 2 after the turn of the surprise attack.
I didn't know if that was clear in the rules, so I thought I'd point that out to those people afraid this could go nuclear.
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Still missing orders from:
-Second Lenin
-French Commune
-Indonesia
-USCM
-Fourth Reich
Get them in FAST and I'll accept them. No guarantees after somewhere between 2 and 3PM EST though.
Note: China's declaration of war means that both it and Turan - and now Wali - are automatically at DEFCON 3 unless they specify in their orders they wish to remain at 4. If China had launched an attack without the benefit of a DOW, they would be at 3 and their victim at 2 after the turn of the surprise attack.
I didn't know if that was clear in the rules, so I thought I'd point that out to those people afraid this could go nuclear.
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Bowsling
Deity
Union of Socialist Constitutional Monarchies: 5 IP
Build 1 industry in NWT
Build 1 submarine (T2 naval) in Quebec
Use both guards battalions, supported by the sub, to liberate the British subjects living in Newfoundland and Labrador. Don't take too many casualties.
Build 1 industry in NWT
Build 1 submarine (T2 naval) in Quebec
Use both guards battalions, supported by the sub, to liberate the British subjects living in Newfoundland and Labrador. Don't take too many casualties.
Nukeknockout
Rusty Hinge
Only one power threatened nuclear war.
Besides, this conflict started when China refused to even discuss the Uyghur-Sinkiang conflict of interest - both of you could walk away peacefully if China and Turan were willing to give up just a little.
Turan gives up Sinkiang, China gives up Uyghur. War solved.
christos200
Never tell me the odds
(Sinkiang and Uyghur are the same province)
Lighthearter
President of the United States
@Bowsling: Factories and T2s both cost 3IP. Navies also do not provide supporting fire to land engagements.
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Ailedhoo
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I think the point made was that neither power should claim it.
christos200
Never tell me the odds
Why? It has been Chinese since time immemorial. And this has been said not only by us, but by the Turks themsleves. So, why must we give up a Chinese province?
arya126
Squad Leader
Even though China has made a mess of these 'negotiations' if you can even call them that, the maesters (scholars/doctors/historians/intellectuals) of the Northern Watch conclude that China does indeed have the better claim to it. However Tibet is far more sketchy.
The Northern Watch so proposes this: China gets Sinkiang but allows any 'Turkish' citizens to leave for Turan, and they promise not to build any military improvements (bases or forts) in the province, and they give up claims to Tibet. Does this sound fair to everyone? (CHRISTOS accept this as you have alienated the entire world on this. You accept this, you can pursue war later if you wish.)
Ailedhoo
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China's war threats are a simple demonstration: by threatening to use nukes they face lessened their claimants worth, for the Turks have a more noble claimant in comparison.
Hence we suggest China heeds the option of leaving the province alone.
Hence we suggest China heeds the option of leaving the province alone.
christos200
Never tell me the odds
We can accept this.
India and China have agreed that Tibet would be Chinese.
OOC: I do not understand why every contests my claims. All of my claims are historic chinese lands. Do you wnat me to expand in Siberia?
arya126
Squad Leader
China is historically a huge nation. You are not going to automatically create the blob of land that China historically is. You have to give and take. So by getting Sinkiang, you must agree to give up Tibet and not expand into any other lands that Turan or India might claim. Otherwise, it is essentially giving into your demands, and this isn't a surrender, merely a compromise.
You either except it as it is, or the Northern Watch shall leave the region to its own devices and stop mediating an agreement. Your choice on whether you want to face a war on turn 1, or get what you want and grow strong enough to start a war later.
christos200
Never tell me the odds
OOC: India has already god dammit agreed to allow me to have Tibet. They do not wnat it. End of the case. It ahs already been agreed. They do not wnat it. This is stupid. The Indians have said that they do not want it.
Bowsling
Deity
Ohh, whoops, my bad. Thanks for correcting me.
In that case, I will build 2 militia and a factory. Invade both Newfoundland and Washington with a militia and a guard each.
Lighthearter
President of the United States
A minor rule change: Unclaimed provinces no longer defend themselves. You will automatically claim them unless another power has moved their troops into the province. A coin flip determines who claims it in that case, unless these powers are either at war or specify in their orders they will fight any other claimants to the province.
Calculating update.
Highest trade income: Egypt
Lowest trade income: Tie between USA, Fourth Reich and Second Lenin
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Calculating update.
Highest trade income: Egypt
Lowest trade income: Tie between USA, Fourth Reich and Second Lenin
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Due to the collapse of the watcher states, we wish to include all of Indonesia in our Sphere of Influence. Foreign troops found within that area will be met with hostility.
@America: We offer you trade.
@America: We offer you trade.
Terran Empress
Hornet
Why are you so bent on enslaving the Turkish people? As they have been enslaved since time immemorial.
You want to force people out of their homes! Oh well then how bout we ask the Cherokee and the rest of the American Indians how that worked out for them.
arya126
Squad Leader
NO. Now listen you ignorant turk. You demand of them, they demand of you. Both of you have to give things up. What I PROPOSED was not to force people out of their homes. I proposed to give them the option of immigrating to your country so that China could get the land it has possessed for thousands of years while the Turks are able to unite their peoples. Or are you so bent on world domination that all of a sudden giving both of you what you want is so unreasonable? We are not forcing anybody anywhere. They can stay if they wish, they will merely be under chinese rule. Or they can go to your lands, where I have no doubt you will accommodate them to the best of your ability since you are so focused on a better life for Turks.
Nor, as far as our maestros can tell, have the turks been enslaved while under chinese rule. In fact they have more or less been left alone except when the romans or somebody invaded and drew attention to the region. Now stop falsifying history, and either accept the deal for the fair compromise that it is, or begone and fight your puny wars, bloody your countries to death, and impoverish your peoples to the point where they are as poor as they have always been instead of doing something constructive like improving what country you already have.
OOC: Take none of the above personally, it is all IC between our countries.
Now China. You will let go of Tibet as part of the deal. You must give up something in order to gain another. Do you want Sinkiang, or do you want Tibet? If you desire to continue this pointless scheme of war, so be it. But if you wish to keep the peace and get as much as you can without buggering your country bloody and bloody well broke, then accept this deal and accept the fact you will never get everything you want.
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