Iron and Blood: Redux - Game Thread

[MaxaTheGreat]

To sum it up, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, the German Empire, the Sultanate of Lusitania, the Kingdom of Italy, and the French Algerian Republic are at war with the Sultanate of al-Andalus and Paris-France. The Empire of Brazil is at war with Paris-France.

Technically this is two wars, one being the EU against al-Andalus and Paris-France, the other being me against Paris-France.

And since I'm not part of the EU, nobody has declared war on me.

 

[DroopyTofu]

Benin confirms that it is entering into the war against EU greediness to defend Al-Andalus and to fight the threat to the North. However, we are not declaring on Brazil, mainly because we support their wishes to be free of European powers.

(Clarification, I am only declaring on nations that attacked Al-Andalus, but not Brazil, Lustitania, or others involved.)

 

[Frozen In Ice]

Southrica confirms that we are declaring war on the EU due to their aggressive actions.

 

[mechaerik]

Technically this is two wars, one being the EU against al-Andalus and Paris-France, the other being me against Paris-France.

And since I'm not part of the EU, nobody has declared war on me.

Paris-France dissolved.

 

[Prospo]

Paris-France dissolved.

The Gm is keeping them on as an NPC until the war is over.

 

[GamezRule]

OOC: Since the DoW deadline was 8 hours and 30 minutes ago, I think all DoW's posted after that are invalid, due to the fact that al-Andalus had no public allies at the time of the DoW.

 

[DroopyTofu]

OOC: Since the DoW deadline was 8 hours and 30 minutes ago, I think all DoW's posted after that are invalid, due to the fact that al-Andalus had no public allies at the time of the DoW.

(Red is for GM only)

OOC: Response DOW's are good until 1200 Tuesday Nov 15. And before you ask, yes, I had an alliance with Al-Andalus, established via PM's which BSmith was privy to. So did the other parties mentioned in his initial DoW. So they're valid

 

[hoplitejoe]

I had no public

 

[kiwitt]

OOC: Since the DoW deadline was 8 hours and 30 minutes ago, I think all DoW's posted after that are invalid, due to the fact that al-Andalus had no public allies at the time of the DoW.

OOC: Diplomatic position is irrelevant. An ally can be any one who wants to defend the attacked nation.

The GM must not place any restrictions on the diplomacy.

If a nation deems the attack is unsupported/unjustified it can then choose to assist the attacked nation anytime within the next 48 hour period, regardless of the status of the relationship between the two nations. The only restriction on DoWs in the second 48 hour phase is that the DoWs can only be made against nations who initially DoW.

Diplomacy is best handled by players.

See: for details

 

[GamezRule]

OOC: That tends to ruin the point of alliances. Also, your link does nothing to back up your statement. One more thing, blue is for orders.

 

[kiwitt]

Read that again -

Everything else is surrounding it is diplomacy and is to managed and handled by the players themselves. If the player does not think a DoW is fair, it can be handled by diplomatic actions. i.e. joining another alliance, leaving one, asking for allies or be ostracised, etc. The GM should not place too many restrictions on diplomacy, as I have been reminded about frequently.

As for alliances, those are as useful as players deem them to be. This was argued to death in IB1 before I made the acceptable ruling above.

RED is only for GM posts.

Unless BSmith1068 wants to change the rules again. However it says exactly the same in the IBR: Rules

Everything else surrounding it is diplomacy and is to be managed and handled by the players themselves. If the player does not think a DoW is fair, it can be handled by diplomatic actions. i.e. joining another alliance, leaving one, asking for allies or be ostracized, etc. The GM should not place too many restrictions on diplomacy.

For players unfamilar with the IB1 history on this just start reading from here
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=417289&page=82

NOTE: The Current GM agrees with this reasoning

The DoW periods are in place for a good reason and I for one agree with the way it is now. It reduces many of the opportunities for players to game the system to gain an unfair advantage.

I'm gonna have to side with kiwitt on this. The way I see it, his job is a little easier when DoWs are separated into two groups based on time, and he doesn't have to worry about their classification the first 48 hours if he just dumps them into one category.

I see kiwitt has thought more about this more thoroughly than I have. So I think the system's fine.

 

[GamezRule]

Example: One nation DoW's another nation. After the response period has started, five people DoW the attacker that were never before allied with the defender. What do the attackers allies do, if they were just expecting it to be a one vs one war?

 

[kiwitt]

OOC: Diplomatic reasoning is for players to decide. The mechanics remain the same. e.g. If 1 player DoWs in the initial phase and then 5 players-counter DoW in response phase. The 1 player's allies can counter-DoW in the next turn. Only the players that DoWed initial phase can be DoWed in the response phase of the first turn. This is why if you are going to DoW it needs to be a co-ordinated event.

 

[Double A]

Oh good god, we already argued this to death in the last game.

 

[Tyo]

Can you guys just decide to kill eachother or not already?

 

[hoplitejoe]

It's called diplomacy Tyo

 

[mayor]

lurker's comment: I vote you kill each other

 

[Tyo]

Evidently neither side wants to avoid war with somebody. GR wants France, and if those PM's are legit you don't want peace.

 

[BSmith1068]

Man, I am offline for the weekend and look at all the drama! I have a bunch of PMs and the game thread to go through, but I’ll publish an official list of who is at war today. And yes, I do have PMs with alliance info from before the deadline.

 

[hoplitejoe]

Evidently neither side wants to avoid war with somebody. GR wants France, and if those PM's are legit you don't want peace.

I am attempting diplomacy.

And yes, I do have PMs with alliance info from before the deadline.

Sorry about all of them