Is ADL top 10 list Anti-Semitic?

[Dostayer]

While the ADL sometimes overreacting, it does has some points.
Neturei Karta Rabbis actually went to the Holocaust denial conference in Iran in 2006 for example.
JVP supports BDS.

And I have to say, there is no state/people who suffered such hate from their surrounding like Jews and Israel, and as someone said if I say "Antisemitism is common in the Arab/Islamic world" they will accuse me being Islamophobe/Arabphobe, while someone else with the Idea that Israel/Jews are the source of the problem in the whole middle east/Arab world/world (UN Human rights committee I'm looking at you) wouldn't be accused being Antisemitic.
And Antisemitic sentiments are still popular in some states... And that affects the position they takes toward Israel.

Again, I don't think that every anti-Israeli opinion is Antisemitic, but it sometimes used to cover Antisemitism.

 

[Bootstoots]

Can an Arab be an anti-Semite without hating themselves? They are a Semitic people after all.

 

[Cheetah]

I'm anti Semitic languages: They're using Abjads!

 

[Dostayer]

Antisemitism mainly targeting Jews, for example: Hitler stated that the Semitic race is the lowest and should extinct (along with others), under this sense the Arabians shoul had been included, but they weren't, and actually mufti of Jerusalem back then met Hitler in person (and I think Hitler promised him something) and joined the SS in Bosnia.

 

[Bootstoots]

So the fact that hatred of Jews is called "anti-Semitism" is all because Hitler didn't understand that there are other Semitic peoples, such as the Arabs, along with the Jews? Interesting.

Of course, many prominent Nazis supported Zionism for the first several years of Nazi rule as a way to give Jews a homeland that was, conveniently, nowhere near Germany. Their worldview was kind of strange, all in all.

 

[Cheetah]

Their world view was only consistent in its inconsistency...

Though the "anti-Semitism" definition wasn't Hitler fumbling it. That definition was established sometime in the late 19th century IIRC.

 

[ParkCungHee]

So the fact that hatred of Jews is called "anti-Semitism" is all because Hitler didn't understand that there are other Semitic peoples, such as the Arabs, along with the Jews? Interesting.

The origin of the term Antisemitism goes back a lot farther then Hitler. It started off as a legitimating term because things like the "We Hate Jews" party sounds particularly vulgar while "The Antisemitic Party" sounds like one of those nothings that is the hallmark of reasonable politics.

Also, if we're going to play the game where we pretend antisemitism means something different, and the people using it are somehow wrong because they say Antisemitism to mean a hatred of Jews, the term "Semitic" means "Of Shem" that is, the son of Noah. So properly speaking Anti-Semetism would be a hatred of Shem, and possibly his descendants, which based strictly on the account given, would include all of Asia. So the idea that Antisemitism does or should mean a hatred of people who speak a Semitic language isn't linguistically or etymologically sustainable.

 

[cybrxkhan]

The origin of the term Antisemitism goes back a lot farther then Hitler. It started off as a legitimating term because things like the "We Hate Jews" party sounds particularly vulgar while "The Antisemitic Party" sounds like one of those nothings that is the hallmark of reasonable politics.

Also, if we're going to play the game where we pretend antisemitism means something different, and the people using it are somehow wrong because they say Antisemitism to mean a hatred of Jews, the term "Semitic" means "Of Shem" that is, the son of Noah. So properly speaking Anti-Semetism would be a hatred of Shem, and possibly his descendants, which based strictly on the account given, would include all of Asia. So the idea that Antisemitism does or should mean a hatred of people who speak a Semitic language isn't linguistically or etymologically sustainable.

All Asians, huh... so I guess in one interpretation of "Semite" that could include me and my far eastern brethren?

 

[Dostayer]

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4535265,00.html

In short: the president of Equatorial Guiana invited the heads of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations to the African Peace Conference, the Arabian league representive demmanded that as long as the "Israelis" are present, they will not participate in the conference, the one who caused the commotion around this was the president of Mauritania (A state were slavery, and particularity black slavery, is still legal and common), the Jewish representative left with rage the conference and flew back to the US earlier than intended.

It smells like Antisemitism to me...

 

[Tahuti]

Antisemitism mainly targeting Jews, for example: Hitler stated that the Semitic race is the lowest and should extinct (along with others), under this sense the Arabians shoul had been included, but they weren't, and actually mufti of Jerusalem back then met Hitler in person (and I think Hitler promised him something) and joined the SS in Bosnia.

Hitler hated Jews for being racial competitors, not for being weak.

Can an Arab be an anti-Semite without hating themselves? They are a Semitic people after all.

While this would be true in a linguistic sense, calling Arab a Semitic language is in some ways misleading. The Canaanites for instance were called children of Ham, yet their language is called "Semitic". Arabo-Hebrew languages would be a nicer term IMO, though I guess it is also a form of PC.

So properly speaking Anti-Semetism would be a hatred of Shem, and possibly his descendants, which based strictly on the account given, would include all of Asia.

Excluding the Canaanites of course, who were Hamites. Interestingly, Germanic tribes were sometimes included as children of Shem as well. In Medieval Europe, Europeans were usually referred to as children of Japhet, Jews and indeed most Asians such as Chinese were Children of Shem while Africans (and presumably descendents of the Canaanites) were children of Ham.

 

[Formaldehyde]

While the ADL sometimes overreacting, it does has some points.
Neturei Karta Rabbis actually went to the Holocaust denial conference in Iran in 2006 for example.

They weren't the only Jews who attended what was claimed to not be a "Holocaust denial conference" at all, despite a handful of actual anti-Semites like David Duke attending. Some of the speakers at the conference were apparently even the victims of the Holocaust who gave their personal accounts.

Just because many of the Neturei Karta are anti-Zionists for religious reasons, it certainly doesn't mean they hate themselves and other Jews as so many Zionists nonsensically allege. After all, many of them claim the same is even true with Noam Chomsky.

 

[Light Cleric]

Nothing gives your conference credibility like having David Duke speak.

 

[Bootstoots]

So the fact that hatred of Jews is called "anti-Semitism" is all because Hitler didn't understand that there are other Semitic peoples, such as the Arabs, along with the Jews? Interesting.

Of course, many prominent Nazis supported Zionism for the first several years of Nazi rule as a way to give Jews a homeland that was, conveniently, nowhere near Germany. Their worldview was kind of strange, all in all.

The first paragraph of this post would be a good example of me being full of crap.

First of all, I didn't bother to look up anything about the origin of the term "anti-Semitism", so I lazily asked if it originated with Hitler as somebody had implied, despite the fact that even I thought it probably originated much earlier and all I had to do was look it up on Wikipedia.

The more important way in which I am full of crap, though, is by defining a term based on one of its possible etymologies instead of how it is actually used in real life. Specifically, I defined it as being opposed to Semitic people (i.e. people who speak Semitic languages), even though nobody actually uses it that way. Similar mistakes would include insisting that homophobia and Islamophobia be defined as irrational fear, but not hatred, of homosexuality (or even "sameness" to take it a level further) and Islam, respectively.

Words have no absolute meaning divorced from how they are actually used in real life. Forgetting this can cause nonsensical arguments, and even people who are aware of this often manage to forget it while posting on Internet forums.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Nothing gives your conference credibility like having David Duke speak.

Here's what Neturei Karta Yisroel Dovid Weiss had to say at the conference:

Now maybe I can say that at the discussion of the holocaust, I may be the representative, the voice of the people who died in the holocaust because my grandparents died there. They were killed in Auschwitz. My parents were from Hungary. My father escaped and his parents remained. He wasn't able to get them out of Hungary and they died in Auschwitz as were other relatives and all the communities that they knew. So to say that they didn't die, to me you cannot say that. I am the living remnant of the people who died in the holocaust and I am here, I believe sent by God, to humbly say, simply to speak to the people here and say, 'You should know that the Jewish people died, and do not try to say that it did not happen. They did die!' There are people throughout the Jewish communities, still alive in their seventies and eighties and every one of them will tell you their stories. It is something which you can not refute, but that being said, it doesn't mean that the holocaust is a tool to use to oppress other people.[2]

I hardly think that is antisemitic.

This is also why he is vilified by the usual suspects:

Weiss states that the Jewish world has misunderstood the Neturei Karta actions. He said the organization did not appear at the conference to deny the Holocaust, but to draw a distinction between Zionists and Jews.[14] Weiss stated that he believes Ahmadinejad is not an enemy of the Jews, but is a "God-fearing man [who] respects the Jewish people and he protects them in Iran".[14]