I think that Farage is such a slimy, perfidious worm of a politician that I fear you might well be right.
Boris makes a fool of himself. More news at ten.
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Is Britain about to leave the EU?
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I think that Farage is such a slimy, perfidious worm of a politician that I fear you might well be right.
Boris makes a fool of himself. More news at ten.
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Silurian
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She couldn't have held off much longer without the accusations of inaction snowballing over the winter.
From BBC
"Theresa May will formally begin the Brexit process by the end of March 2017, she has told the BBC.
The PM's announcement on triggering Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty - which begins the formal negotiation process - means the UK looks set to leave the EU by the summer of 2019.
Mrs May also promised a bill to remove the European Communities Act 1972 from the statute book.
She said this would make the UK an "independent, sovereign nation".
The repeal of the 1972 Act will not take effect until the UK leaves the EU under Article 50."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37532364
From BBC
"Theresa May will formally begin the Brexit process by the end of March 2017, she has told the BBC.
The PM's announcement on triggering Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty - which begins the formal negotiation process - means the UK looks set to leave the EU by the summer of 2019.
Mrs May also promised a bill to remove the European Communities Act 1972 from the statute book.
She said this would make the UK an "independent, sovereign nation".
The repeal of the 1972 Act will not take effect until the UK leaves the EU under Article 50."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37532364
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The pound is falling all round and there was a bit of a panic overnight in Asia.
Could have been a mistake.
The stock market is booming though when you measure it in pounds.
An interesting comparison I read was to compare the same company that is traded on different markets.
GSK on the London stock exchange measured in pounds is up 19% from the day of the referendum. The equivalent shares traded in dollars is up 0.8% over the same time.
Hard lines are forming on both sides.
The pound is falling all round and there was a bit of a panic overnight in Asia.
Could have been a mistake.
The stock market is booming though when you measure it in pounds.
An interesting comparison I read was to compare the same company that is traded on different markets.
GSK on the London stock exchange measured in pounds is up 19% from the day of the referendum. The equivalent shares traded in dollars is up 0.8% over the same time.
Hard lines are forming on both sides.
Someone should tell the people at Pointless - they've been allowing the UK as a valid answer for years now!
HAND
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Analysts/fund managers were forecasting sterling would fall to around the $1.20 mark towards the end of the year just after June 23rd, so this "flash crash" is roughly in line with that prediction. I'm thinking sterling has further to go.. maybe when Article 50 gets triggered and with everything that is happening in the world. I'll stick my neck out and say maybe $1.10 for a pound at some point next year, though I don't think it'll stay there too long.
We don't really know enough to make a proper judgement about what's happened, but I guess that it's morbidly amusing that since Labour has been beating itself up for weeks, UKIP now seems to be beating each other up.
EnglishEdward
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Yes, it is interesting how Theresa May is firming up.
I rather and I suspect she is already getting tired of both (i) her parliamentary exit team (it seems to me that she is
completely ignoring Boris Johnson, Liam Fox and Davis Davies who all keep sounding off in quite different directions)
and also of (ii) the dispossessed Remoaners obstructionism re-interpretations of the outcome of the referendum.
For instance George Osborne and others disenguously said that the UK did not vote for a hard brexit or to
leave the single market. We voted to leave the EU and as the customs union is an integral part of the EU, the
referendum vote pretty implicitly provides a public mandate to leave the single market if the EU is not seriously
offering it to a departing UK. Others pretend to help but say we can only leave if a negotiated deal can be approved by
Parliament and even another referendum while in reality trying to make such negotiations drawn out and impossible.
It is a party congress so there is much rhetoric hovering close to over the top.
For instance I am sceptical of what "independence" actually means in an interdependent world and
"sovereign"ty always has an old fashioned ring about it, simple self determination will do nicely for me.
EnglishEdward
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Many of the male members of UKIP like to project themselves as the ordinary "man in the pub".
And the men in the pub have fights and scuffles, to be expected and quite entertaining.
You just can't resist the silly buzz-phrases, can you?
FriendlyFire
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Boom time for UK and Brexit !
maybe if the Brexiters had an actual plan before triggering article 50, The economy wouldnt be slipping this baddly. As it is with Sterling falling, it going to be a little bit chaotic
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Lohrenswald
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Isn't the whole deal with the British pound losing value that people make that happen because they assume that will happen?
Like Britain hasn't left yet, it's just known that it will, so this is the people "we depend" on making it happen.
I get criticised for complaining about "funny money business", but what else is this?
Like Britain hasn't left yet, it's just known that it will, so this is the people "we depend" on making it happen.
I get criticised for complaining about "funny money business", but what else is this?
The stock market can be exceptionally volatile and a lot of it relies on confidence, of which there isn't much going around right now.
In other news, May has refused to allow Parliament any input on the Government's Brexit planning (assuming there still is any). I'm predicting that when this finally goes to the house, there'll be a three-line whip and threats of de-selection for any Tory who doesn't vote for it.
In other news, May has refused to allow Parliament any input on the Government's Brexit planning (assuming there still is any). I'm predicting that when this finally goes to the house, there'll be a three-line whip and threats of de-selection for any Tory who doesn't vote for it.
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Neither side had a clear manifesto. The brexiteer claim of an extra £350 million a week to the NHS has been disowned by most Brexiteers.
Many Brexiteers do think that we should have a soft brexit and they voted for that.
The vote was 17,410,742 leave to 16,141,241 remain, a 1,269,501 (1.8%) majority. TheThree Brexiteers have still not decided what they want. When they do decide it is probable that 640,000 people will regret their vote which would have produced a majority to remain.
FriendlyFire
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They were told they would get access to the single market, not have to pay any monies and be able end free movement
Now in order to end free movement from the EU, Hard brexit is the only way. And with the sterling falling retirees might be a tough position seeing their pensions fall.
On the other hand a mass exodus of Polish and other Eastern Europeans should create a nice labour shortage.
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I wonder how many people voted for 'hard' Brexit. Given the claims of milk and honey at the end of the Brexit rainbow, I think that there could be millions of unhappy people, no matter what happens now.
But Brexit means Brexit - what else were they voting for?
Various media reports about Ireland negotiating with the UK to share information on non-EU arrivals allowing the common travel area to be maintained.
Will have to see what the EU says about it.
No information could or would be shared about EU arrivals.
This already happens in practice - I remember seeing metropolitan police officers grabbing a brown young lad off a flight from Ireland - they were waiting at the gate.
No talk yet about customs at the border.
EnglishEdward
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No manifesto was required. It is not as if there was a party standing for an election and to become the government.
While those Remainers who argued that a Leave vote would result in an immediate
economic collapse are unapologetic and are not denounced by the other Remainers.
No, they did not. There were only two, or at most; if one prefers three choices.
People voted to:
Leave or
Remain or
did not bother to vote.
It is clear to me that many parliamentarians are attempting to re-interpret that vote into soft or hard Brexit, and then half heartedly
have Theresa May ask the EU for a very favourable soft exit that they know full well that the EU will not grant so that they can then
pave the way towards saying that as the Brexiters cannot get a good soft exit, the UK should defer exiting and then defer again,
and then claim that so much time has elapsed since the referendum that it is time expired and invalid and can be ignored.
Both Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn can see right through that tactic which is Theresa May is resisting such sabotage and
Jeremy Corbyn is letting his opponents in the Labour party go down that rabbit hole.
Some people may regret their vote; that is usually the case.
But your arithmetic assumes that it is only those who voted Leave who will have regrets.
I suspect that as many, or more of those, who voted Remain out of fear after the scare
tactics from those in authority may now be wondering what the panic was really about.
If we had had a Referendum in the UK before joining or upgrading from EEC/EC to EU,
it would instead have likely been 70-75% No to 25-30% Yes.
The continental pro Europeans knew that so they presented the UK (and other member's states)
with what they thought was a Hobson's choice in two stages (Maastrict and Lisbon); upgrade to EU
or be on your own as there will be no EEC any more. And both John Major and Tony Blair fell for it.
The UK electorate were denied a referendum at each stage and in totality.
The pro EU elite only obtained an artificially high value of 48% for the EU by first taking us in
without our permisson, and secondly claiming that Leaving would create disastrous uncertainty.
I am therefore unimpressed with arguments about the narrowness of the gap between Remain
and Leave as the circumstances by which that narrowness was obtained were fundamentally undemocratic.
The resultant uncertainty now is therefore the fault of those pro EU UK politicians who
knowingly chose to act against the wishes of the majority of the UK population.
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