Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Takhisis]

FF, Edward's point is that, not only was the 1967 vote about remaining, not entering, but also that the EEC wasn't the same as the EU.

(of course, a lot of the vote was because of racism against darkies, and that is actually people coming from the Commonwealth countries, but let's obviate that)

 

[Manfred Belheim]

On a Brexit subtopic which has been rarely discussed - science:

Six Nobel prize winners this year were immigrants to the US and five of those were from the UK.

While this number is particularly high, scientists know well the benefits of free movement. It fosters international collaboration, which in turn yields results that are more than the sum of the individual contributions.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/20...ientists-are-talking-about-immigration-policy

World leading scientists pretty much do have free movement though, by virtue of being world leading scientists. I mean.. the US isn't in the EU is it, and it didn't stop those UK scientists emigrating there.

 

[Silurian]

It is clear to me that many parliamentarians are attempting to re-interpret that vote into soft or hard Brexit, and then half heartedly
have Theresa May ask the EU for a very favourable soft exit that they know full well that the EU will not grant so that they can then
pave the way towards saying that as the Brexiters cannot get a good soft exit, the UK should defer exiting and then defer again,
and then claim that so much time has elapsed since the referendum that it is time expired and invalid and can be ignored.

Both Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn can see right through that tactic which is Theresa May is resisting such sabotage and
Jeremy Corbyn is letting his opponents in the Labour party go down that rabbit hole.

The Labour Party has asked 170 questions about the Brexit process.

How do you think the government should reply to these.

From Independent

"Parliamentary accountability

163. Does the government accept that nowhere in the referendum question put to the British people on 23 June 2016, was it clearly laid out what agreement the government would be seeking to reach on Britain’s future relationship with the EU in the event of a Brexit vote?

164. Does the government further accept that – looking at the detail of what was promised by the ‘Leave’ campaign in the run-up to that referendum about the consequences of a Brexit vote (e.g. a points-based immigration system, extra funding for the NHS, etc.) – all those promises have been abandoned by the current government?

165. Does the government therefore accept that – while there is a clear democratic mandate from the British people to leave the European Union, which must be followed – there is no mandate whatsoever for the specific ‘plan’ it is developing for Britain’s post-Brexit future?

166. What therefore is the government’s objection to the proposal to hold a Parliamentary debate and vote on that plan before the Article 50 negotiations are triggered, so that the public’s elected representatives have a chance to approve that plan before it is put into action?"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ndum-david-davis-theresa-may-uk-a7356841.html

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Well my answers would be:

163) Yes

164) No, because in no way were these "promises", nor were the people making these statements in any position to make any promises in the first place.

165) The referendum question made no reference to any specific plan, therefore the public were not voting for any specific plan. The responsibility for drawing up the plan therefore falls to the government, which does have a mandate to do this as a result of the last general election. (This is kind of just 163 again really).

166) One possible objection could be "because doing so would allow the opponents of the idea as a whole to hinder and block the process for an extended period which we wish to avoid". But I don't pretend to know enough about parliamentary procedures to answer this one for them.

 

[JohannaK]

That sounds so very sensible.

 

[Gigaz]

World leading scientists pretty much do have free movement though, by virtue of being world leading scientists. I mean.. the US isn't in the EU is it, and it didn't stop those UK scientists emigrating there.

Yes but they need to hire students from other countries, they must apply for grants, and they must travel a lot to conferences with their peers. Such things are poised to become more expensive and time consuming with Brexit

 

[really]

Yes but they need to hire students from other countries, they must apply for grants, and they must travel a lot to conferences with their peers. Such things are poised to become more expensive and time consuming with Brexit

The British people are tired of experts.

 

[Takhisis]

Why listen to people who have a clue as to what they're talking about? It's a growing trend across the globe. It's the sort of thing that comes and goes, but every time it happens we are dismayed yet again.

 

[EvaDK]

At least Theresa May had enough sense to go herself, when visiting selected EU Capitals do discuss Brexit issues with the respective PMs and Presidents, instead of sending Boris Johnson. The very sight of him, might motivate the rest of the EU to invade Britain instead.

 

[FriendlyFire]

FF, Edward's point is that, not only was the 1967 vote about remaining, not entering, but also that the EEC wasn't the same as the EU.
(of course, a lot of the vote was because of racism against darkies, and that is actually people coming from the Commonwealth countries, but let's obviate that)

But the UK has been trying to join the EU since 1961 ? Thats like 12 years total of trying to join the EU, and now suddenly Brexiters are saying that they did never got to vote on joining the EU ?

If its voted to join the EEC and not the EU, the UK has exercised its "sovereign" right to opt out of many of the new EU treaties, and it could have used its Veto rights to stop the expansion of the EU into Eastern Europe.
Would have been better of saying the UK dont like the Current EU, and the direction it is heading towards for the last 50 years

Beside the UK was desperate to join the EU, With the cold war at its height and the UK economy known as the sick man of Europe. With inflation running at 25%, Rolling strikes and the UK was worried about an exodus rather then flood of immigrants

 

[Oerdin]

The reality is tge UK probably will keep the door open for immigrants especially skilled/educated immigrants but from now on they, via their elected representatives, will have full legal control over it and get to decide whp, what, and how much for themselves instead of foreign Eurocrats deciding it for them.

That is as it should be. The same goes with court sovereignty and not paying into the EU budget if they are not a member. PM May is making an excellent principled stand here where as the Eurocrats look like the petty bumbling idiots they are.

 

[FriendlyFire]

The reality is tge UK probably will keep the door open for immigrants especially skilled/educated immigrants but from now on they, via their elected representatives, will have full legal control over it and get to decide whp, what, and how much for themselves instead of foreign Eurocrats deciding it for them.

That is as it should be. The same goes with court sovereignty and not paying into the EU budget if they are not a member. PM May is making an excellent principled stand here where as the Eurocrats look like the petty bumbling idiots they are.

The strange thing is that high skilled workers are leaving the UK, it seems EU which have been an easy source of them along with cheap labour are leaving the smaller market for the larger market. Plus the UK is going to finally be free of the EU labour market regulations which will strip the last protections from the unskilled labour market. If the pound Sterling remains weak in the mid and long term this will lead to inflation again. Which means ultimately the Skill labour will come from poorer countries like India

Yeah I get Brexiters, want control of immigration and feel the EU is headed the wrong way. And not without good reason, the EU mismanagement of the last few crisis have been very poor.
You dont understand the Larger market EU will be the ones making the rules while the smaller market UK will have to give concessions. Just be realistic and plan accordingly

 

[Silurian]

BREXIT LOVE IT or HATE IT, its puting up prices.

From BBC

""Popular products including Marmite and Pot Noodles have been disappearing from Tesco shelves amid a dispute between the supermarket and supplier Unilever.

The row developed when Unilever, which faces higher costs after the fall in value of the pound, attempted to pass them on in higher wholesale prices.""

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37637954

 

[Kozmos]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/08/homophobic-attacks-double-after-brexit-vote

Victorian England is coming back apparently.

 

[Kyriakos]

World leading scientists pretty much do have free movement though, by virtue of being world leading scientists. I mean.. the US isn't in the EU is it, and it didn't stop those UK scientists emigrating there.

As happened with leading nazi scientists too

 

[JohannaK]

Operation Staple is ongoing.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Victorian England is coming back apparently.

Give me corsets or it didn't happen.

 

[Kozmos]

The true crime of Brexit will be renewal of steampunk.

 

[Arakhor]

PM May is making an excellent principled stand here where as the Eurocrats look like the petty bumbling idiots they are.

More fact-free opinions are just what we need right now. Thanks.

 

[Verbose]

PM May is making an excellent principled stand here where as the Eurocrats look like the petty bumbling idiots they are.

What about the other EU governments? Unlike Brussels, they actually matter here.