Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Mise]

Well, maybe the UK will realize down the road just how good it had it with the EU and how much it was hypocrital with its constant tantrums ?

This whole debacle has been a neverending and unbelievable amount of whining from the single most favoured nation in the EU complaining about getting a raw deal, and of blames put on the EU which for the most part (immigration from Eastern Europe, "Europe of the bankers") actually were direct consequences of THEIR OWN F-ING DECISIONS (it's the UK which pushed for integrating Eastern Europe countries in 2003, and it's the UK which blocked the Tobin tax).

The worst punition the EU can give to the UK is not even a punition at all : it'd be only to actually treat them fairly and give them what they asked for. After 40 years of being the diva, just being pegged down to the same level of everyone else and made to take responsabilities for their decisions is sure to give them a shock.

100% agreed mate

 

[Manfred Belheim]

why am I not suprised

I'm not sure as I think I lost your point quite a while ago. However, you seem to be suggesting that you think it would be better if I did actually hang on every word of Cameron and Farage? This seems odd...

 

[Akka]

Wait so two posh private school pillocks having a fight over the leadership just casually torched the UK economy, set off a torrent of racism, probably broke the union and may well have wrecked the peace treaty in Ulster and now they're both going to just walk away?

They did as much with the participation of the entirey UK electorate. It's easy to put the blame on "politicians", but in a democracy, every person is involved.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

You purposely buried your head in the sand regarding what each side was all about in this vote? Well no wonder you don't want to own the negative consequences to society - you never bothered to figure out what they might be.

No... the referendum question was (and forgive me if I don't remember the exact wording) - "Should the United Kingdom remain a part of the European Union".

What Farage or Cameron have to say about what they want is not relevant to this, because it wasn't a vote for them as people or for their policies.

Seriously... you can't on the one hand condemn Leave voters who DID listen to them for being mindless stooges who believed racist rhetoric, and on the other hand condemn Leave voters who didn't listen to them for "burying their heads in the sand". Is this the Kobyashi Maru or something?

 

[Arakhor]

Other than the clearly racist and idiotic people who have been telling Indians and suchlike to go home, despite Brexit not being anything to do with Commonwealth immigration, it would have been a lot better if more people had followed your lead, Manfred, then perhaps we might have actually got the slim Remain victory that was predicted.

(Either that or people should have been less incompetent when placing their vote, but hey, everyone knows that democracy is both a terrible system and the best one we have.)

 

[Mise]

Here's what Lord Heseltine has to say about Boris Johnson, and his decision NOT to run for PM:

 

[Arakhor]

What Farage or Cameron have to say about what they want is not relevant to this, because it wasn't a vote for them as people or for their policies.

That might not have been the intention, but I'm sure that those two influenced votes simply by being involved.

Here's what Lord Heseltine has to say about Boris Johnson, and his decision NOT to run for PM:

The fact that the wealthy elites, such as Cameron, Johnson and Farage, will be almost totally unaffected by the new oncoming recession is just insult upon injury.

 

[Mise]

They have a lot of money invested in stocks and British companies, and will undoubtedly suffer a significant loss of wealth. Of course, that's not really "suffering", but they're not "totally unaffected" either.

 

[Arakhor]

I did say 'almost', but I can't imagine that it will impact their lives in any meaningful way.

 

[Mise]

Gove and May are now the front runners for the Tory leadership, which makes an EEA-type deal look even less likely.

 

[classical_hero]

For the UK the deal is awful. We retain access to the single market, but not for banks, which is our main export to the EU. We would lose out massively from that deal.

It's the only thing left after the EU destroy all other aspects of the British economy, which is why so many part of the UK voted in favour of leaving.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

It's the only thing left after the EU destroy all other aspects of the British economy, which is why so many part of the UK voted in favour of leaving.

The EU ? How many nicknames does Thatcher have ?

 

[Akka]

It's the only thing left after the EU destroy all other aspects of the British economy, which is why so many part of the UK voted in favour of leaving.

Let me quote myself :

This whole debacle has been a neverending and unbelievable amount of whining from the single most favoured nation in the EU complaining about getting a raw deal, and of blames put on the EU which for the most part (immigration from Eastern Europe, "Europe of the bankers") actually were direct consequences of THEIR OWN F-ING DECISIONS (it's the UK which pushed for integrating Eastern Europe countries in 2003, and it's the UK which blocked the Tobin tax).

You can add to this the fact that it's the EU which limited the working hours to 48 (voted 11-1, you've one guess about which was the only country to vote against ; hint : it's the country blaming the EU for ruining their worker's rights).
And you can add that the lion's share of the UK's economy is taken by financial services, which are in London because it gives them access to the EU market, and a large part of them which will migrate elsewhere if/once the UK loses this access.

As usual, the UK blames the EU for their own errors, and give itself credits for what the EU allows.

 

[Arakhor]

It's the only thing left after the EU destroy all other aspects of the British economy, which is why so many part of the UK voted in favour of leaving.

And there I was thinking that it was EnglishEdward who was posting the most hysterical and patently absurd comments, but that one's a new low.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Seriously... you can't on the one hand condemn Leave voters who DID listen to them for being mindless stooges who believed racist rhetoric, and on the other hand condemn Leave voters who didn't listen to them for "burying their heads in the sand". Is this the Kobyashi Maru or something?

Sure he can... the condemnation is for voting "Leave", regardless of why you voted so. There was a choice to vote "Remain", which was the "correct" choice, and if you didn't make the correct choice you get condemned, simple.

To quote Robert DiNiro in "Casino"... "Either you were in on it, or you're incompetent, either way YOU'RRRRE OUT!"

Again, there was a "correct" choice available, so it's nothing like Kobyashi Maru (great reference though)

Here's what Lord Heseltine has to say about Boris Johnson, and his decision NOT to run for PM:

Sounds like Boris Johnson is a lot smarter than people seemed to be giving him credit for... once the dog catches the car, he smartly steps away from it and goes on to do something else... as opposed to snuggling up under the wheels or locking his jaws around the bumper.

Ironically, Stephen Colbert made the observation that David Cameron was similarly like the Captain of the Titanic who, having crashed the ship into the iceberg, then calmly announces that he "thinks it would be best if he steps aside and someone else steps forward to steer the ship to the bottom of the North Atlantic."

 

[Snerk]

2015 politics: ed miliband eats a sandwich a bit weirdly

2016 politics: everything is on fire

 

[Lexicus]

The EU ? How many nicknames does Thatcher have ?

Yup. People act like the Tories haven't been far more effective than the EU at destroying the British economy...

 

[Dachs]

The EU ? How many nicknames does Thatcher have ?

10/10 would read again

2015 politics: ed miliband eats a sandwich a bit weirdly

2016 politics: everything is on fire

hey man

cite your sources

 

[Dachs]

Meanwhile, a UKIP Lord just told the rest of the Lords that EU nationals in Britain should be used as 'hostages' (his word) in the Brexit negotiations.

Even the Lords thought that was shameful.

then again that's the kind of racist thinking you'd expect from a quarian hurf durf

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Sure he can... the condemnation is for voting "Leave", regardless of why you voted so. There was a choice to vote "Remain", which was the "correct" choice, and if you didn't make the correct choice you get condemned, simple.

No... the condemnation was for burying my head in the sand. It was stated quite clearly.

And you can bog off with the "correct" nonense. "Democracy is only for those who agree with me" indeed. Brilliant. How could one possibly object to such a sentiment.