Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Arakhor]

I'm not sure from where you get that idea. Scotland has long been a lot more left-leaning than England.

 

[innonimatu]

I'm not sure from where you get that idea. Scotland has long been a lot more left-leaning than England.

Exactly. And the SNP has opportunistically grabbed some left policies, but it is neither left nor right. Just let labor get reorganized, and I think the UK will offer is some surprising changes...

Hell, I like being optimistic for a change.

 

[Kyriakos]

At least there won't be a third election for Labour leader in the near future -hopefully

 

[Takhisis]

I don't think you grasp the power dynamics within the UK. The SNP is doing everything right to collapse in the next elections. And good riddance.

Why good riddance? I thought you liked people who upset the establishment. Or is it because they're pro-EU?

 

[innonimatu]

Why good riddance? I thought you liked people who upset the establishment. Or is it because they're pro-EU?

Because they don't present any kind of plan beyond the let's be independent. There must be a purpose that call for independence as a means to achieve it. What if they did manage to get Scotland independent, then what? What would the party be about then? Are they willing to disband? What of the pro-up population of an independent Scotland, would they become "traitors" in their own land, and would the SNP the dedicate itself to maintain a grip on power to keep those subdued?

The whole way of the SNP doing politics around the independence issue (not the devolution, mind you, which was workable) is stupid. Their interest in it is a power ploy, no more.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Its the cycle of Independence !

 

[Arakhor]

The whole way of the SNP doing politics around the independence issue (not the devolution, mind you, which was workable) is stupid. Their interest in it is a power ploy, no more.

I imagine that you have just as much contempt for UKIP and other single-issue nationalist groups, then.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Because they don't present any kind of plan beyond the let's be independent.

The concept of Scotland leaving the UK and remaining in or re-joining the EU, is not independence.

The SNP leadership really have not thought it through. Nicola Sturgeon is alas, out of her intellectual depth.

 

[EnglishEdward]

That creates several new problems, UK fishing fleets buy qoutas and access other EU Nation fishing grounds, including accessing EU ports to offload UK fish catches.
Currently the UK has 13% EEZ but has 30% fishing qoutas and will need to negosiate new qoutas again

In fact the EU suggest that UK adopt the EU Policy for allocating more of the fishing qoutas to many smaller vessals instead the UK Chooses to allocate fishing qoutas purely based on economic considerations
I have a feeling even if the Brexiters pass the law forcing the entire UK qouta to be caught by "UK Nationals" only, it wont fix the real problem, the large foreign fishing fleet already employ UK nationals, they would easily be able to comply with that new regulations no problem.

Yes, selling off fishing quotas is a problem.

There is a problem here of corrupt politicians and privatisation and trading idelogy gone mad here in the UK.
If they were not selling fishing quotas to the Dutch, they'd likely sell them to the Chinese or Japanese instead.

However the UK leaving the EU is a necessary preliminary to sorting out many problems.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Then there's still a legal battle whether it is actually technically legal that May initiates the Brexit or whether that must be an act of parliament. From what I've heard the outcome is open, but if May cannot act on her own that would make Brexit much more difficult and likely delay it by years.

The concept that the UK Prime Minister requires an Act of Parliament before sending a one page letter citing article 50 to the EU is absurd.
The most the judges might rule is that there should be a parliamentary vote in support before sending the letter.

Theresa May needs a consent of the Commons to repeal the European communities act of 1972 which would turn existing EU law into British law when Britain leaves the EU. I don't know what would happen if the Commons don't ratify it, but I guess May would delay the Brexit process until they do.

Only some EU law would be incorporated within UK law.

If the Commons continue to be obstructive, there may be an early general election with pro Leave and pro Remain candidates.

 

[Arakhor]

Your thoroughly biased opinions do not constitute fact, you know. You can rattle on about May's supposed mandate all you like, but you are ignoring that both Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to Remain at greater percentages than did the English.

What's more, if she uses the Royal Prerogative to usurp Parliament's right to make and decide upon British legislation, there may indeed be unpleasant consequences. For better or for worse, it is is Parliament who are the legislators, not the Prime Minister.

 

[JohannaK]

Yes, selling off fishing quotas is a problem.

There is a problem here of corrupt politicians and privatisation and trading idelogy gone mad here in the UK.
If they were not selling fishing quotas to the Dutch, they'd likely sell them to the Chinese or Japanese instead.

However the UK leaving the EU is a necessary preliminary to sorting out many problems.

So problems that can be solved regardless of EU membership require to leave the EU to be solved. I find no problems with this.

 

[really]

PM saying they have full confidence in the Chancellor they appointed only three months ago can't be a good sign.

Pro Brexit cabinet members complaining that he is acting like an accountant and giving too much credence to 'experts' in the treasury.

 

[Arakhor]

PM saying they have full confidence in the Chancellor they appointed only three months ago can't be a good sign.

That's never a good sign, no.

Pro Brexit cabinet members complaining that he is acting like an accountant and giving too much credence to 'experts' in the treasury.

Are these MPs admitting that they're not interested in someone who can discharge the job of Chancellor properly?

 

[Arakhor]

I've just seen this story on the BBC. You really couldn't make it up.

 

[Gigaz]

From the petition:
"To imagine ... to support [the] UK becoming a member of the European Union."

I know that this does not represent the average Brexiter but still... What was this guy even thinking?

 

[Arakhor]

Simple answer: he wasn't thinking at all, let alone about anything remotely sensible.

 

[Kyriakos]

Well, you can't join the EU if you are in it

 

[EnglishEdward]

The Marmite must flow. He who controls the Marmite, controls the UK.

I've stated in this thread the UK current account and budget deficits meant that overvaluation of the pound could not be sustained.
If the current uncertainty has resulted in the loss of false over confidence, devaluation was inevitable and indeed it is a good thing.


I bought a DTF copy of the Irish Independent's Light Version last Friday 14 October 2016 to better understand their perspective.

The amazing thing is that Unilever and others have been trying to similarly put up the prices of food in the Republic of Eire despite the
fact that the Irish there use Euros and their excuse that the fall in the pound puts up the cost of ingredients has therefore no validity.

Today's the UK Guardian front pages about the adverse impact of the exchange rate change on Irish farming. Frankly I think that
they need not worry much, the United Kingdom is a net importer of food so we will still be buying food from the Republic of Ireland.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Your thoroughly biased opinions do not constitute fact, you know. You can rattle on about May's supposed mandate all you like, but you are ignoring that both Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to Remain at greater percentages than did the English.

If you do not think that the referendum vote by the UK to Leave was not a mandate,
then you live in a different universe from the majority of us.

What's more, if she uses the Royal Prerogative to usurp Parliament's right to make and decide upon British legislation, there may indeed be unpleasant consequences. For better or for worse, it is is Parliament who are the legislators, not the Prime Minister.

I am not aware of any one other than yourself suggesting that Theresa May uses the
Royal Prerogative to usurp Parliament's right to make and decide upon British legislation.