Is Hunting morally OK or an unnecessary evil?

[MagisterCultuum]

Hunting ought to remain apart of our culture so that we do not forget how to do it.

I assume you mean a part, not apart. Hunting isn't quite seperate from our culture yet, not as a whole anyway.

Morally OK, straight from the word of God.

The bible does say that God said it is ok to eat meat, but it does not say it there.

In Genesis 1 God only gives Man (and other animals) permission to eat plants. Permission to eat meat is given later, to Noah and his family after leaving the ark, accompanied by restrictions on eating the blood and on causing the animal unnecessary suffering.

The bible does not specifically say that no one ate meat before the flood (in fact Abel's sacrifice may seem to imply that they did), but the Talmud and Rabbinic tradition say it was forbidden. Rashi explicitly declared "God did not permit Adam and his wife to kill a creature to eat its flesh. Only every green herb were they to all eat together." The most the word "dominion" entails is the right to use animals like slave labor, but I know of no form of (legal) slavery that ever allowed the master to slay an innocent slave (capital punishment was of course fine). Slaves still have a right to life.

 

[warpus]

Animals have much more sensitive and acute senses. And some, like bears, have quite the arsenal of natural weaponry.

If the bear finds you without a gun, do you think its going to fight with one paw tied behind its back?

No?

Well, then.

Bears don't go out of their way to attack humans - they only do so in rare cases, usually when they feel threatened.

I was camping in Algonquin Park earlier this year - there were black bears all over the campground. They found us there without guns.. or knives! What did they do? They tried to hide from us behind trees, and when we got too close, they ran away.

If you were talking about going hunting in some part of the world where wild cats roam - you might have more of an argument

 

[MobBoss]

Bears don't go out of their way to attack humans - they only do so in rare cases, usually when they feel threatened.

Or when they are hungry.

I was camping in Algonquin Park earlier this year - there were black bears all over the campground. They found us there without guns.. or knives! What did they do? They tried to hide from us behind trees, and when we got too close, they ran away.

Here at Fort Lewis, a wife of an officer here was actually killed and eaten by a black bear while on a camping trip some years ago. Guess your milage may vary, eh?

If you were talking about going hunting in some part of the world where wild cats roam - you might have more of an argument

We have some of those too.

 

[warpus]

Or when they are hungry.

Depends. The bears were on the campground for that reason - they were content eating leftovers and garbage, that inexperienced campers left behind.

You're right that a super-hungry & desperate bear would probably try to attack and eat a human, if one were around. That is a pretty rare occurence, though.

Here at Fort Lewis, a wife of an officer here was actually killed and eaten by a black bear while on a camping trip some years ago. Guess your milage may vary, eh?

People get killed by bears from time to time - that doesn't mean that bears are inherently dangerous to humans. On the contrary - they are kinda afraid of us.

Your assertion that hunting poses as much threat to humans as it does to animals is a bit silly. The playing field is by no means even

I say arm the bears with rocket launchers - that would make hunting a real sport. As it stands now, it's a mildly challenging exercise for men who want to feel a bit more like men and a bit less like boys. Sport it is not.

 

[bhsup]

Is it OK with GOD if we eat aliens?

We were given dominion over the Earth, not the rest of creation. I think we'd be fine eating non-sentients, but I'm thinking it would not be good to go carving up and bbqing Londo Molari.

 

[warpus]

We were given dominion over the Earth, not the rest of creation. I think we'd be fine eating non-sentients, but I'm thinking it would not be good to go carving up and bbqing Londo Molari.

Surely getting dominion over something doesn't automatically imply that you can do whatever you want with it.

Obviously there is a certain element of "take good care of it for me" involved.

 

[bhsup]

Oh yes, I agree. We do have a moral responsibility to be stewards of the land and the critters and waters and fish and birdies and whatnot. Nothing about hunting itself contradicts that.

 

[MobBoss]

Depends. The bears were on the campground for that reason - they were content eating leftovers and garbage, that inexperienced campers left behind.

Actually, bears familiar with humans like that pose a greater risk than wild bears.

You're right that a super-hungry & desperate bear would probably try to attack and eat a human, if one were around. That is a pretty rare occurence, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_Man

People get killed by bears from time to time - that doesn't mean that bears are inherently dangerous to humans. On the contrary - they are kinda afraid of us.

And they are indeed dangerous to humans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America

Your assertion that hunting poses as much threat to humans as it does to animals is a bit silly. The playing field is by no means even

Nor should it be. But its not as skewed as you would make it out to be either.

I say arm the bears with rocket launchers - that would make hunting a real sport. As it stands now, it's a mildly challenging exercise for men who want to feel a bit more like men and a bit less like boys. Sport it is not.

Shrug..people are allowed to have wrong opinions.

 

[RedRalph]

MobBoss, if we got by your wiki link as the criteria of what is dangerous to humans, then things like bubblegum, sandwiches and bathmats are probably more dangerous than bears. Nonetheless, I do agree they are dangerous, but that wiki link does nothing to prove it.

 

[MobBoss]

MobBoss, if we got by your wiki link as the criteria of what is dangerous to humans, then things like bubblegum, sandwiches and bathmats are probably more dangerous than bears. Nonetheless, I do agree they are dangerous, but that wiki link does nothing to prove it.

Of course it does. /sheesh.

Or can you provide me with a wiki link listing the bubblegum fatalities across the USA?

 

[bhsup]

Man, that would be an embarrassing way to go.

"Here lies VR. So damned stupid, he died of bubblegum"

 

[RedRalph]

Of course it does. /sheesh.

Or can you provide me with a wiki link listing the bubblegum fatalities across the USA?

http://www.videojug.com/expertanswer/unlikely-ways-to-die/how-many-people-have-died-from-toothpicks

 

[trader/warrior]

Fox hunting is awesome, but if you shoot at bambi i'll go crazy on your ass.

 

[BSmith1068]

Hunting for food and to maintain population control (as with the Whitetail deer) are acceptable. Hunting for sport is sickening.

It's not often that I agree with you, but this is one of those times!

 

[warpus]

Shrug..people are allowed to have wrong opinions.

Otherwise you wouldn't be allowed to post

Either way, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

edit: btw it depends on what kinda bear we're talking about - black bears are pretty safe to be around, unless you annoy them. grizzlies are far more dangerous.

your list of bear deaths is pretty short - and it dates back to the 1800s. Kinda proves my point..

 

[Harvin87]

Bears don't go out of their way to attack humans - they only do so in rare cases, usually when they feel threatened.

I was camping in Algonquin Park earlier this year - there were black bears all over the campground. They found us there without guns.. or knives! What did they do? They tried to hide from us behind trees, and when we got too close, they ran away.

If you were talking about going hunting in some part of the world where wild cats roam - you might have more of an argument

And what about a grizzly bear... Im sure they are not hiding!

 

[warpus]

And what about a grizzly bear... Im sure they are not hiding!

If you're gonna go grizzly bear hunting, and you want to level the playing field for both parties, why not forgo the gun and come with an axe?

 

[Rhymes]

Not evil, but definitely unnecessary.

I only support hunting in cases where a certain animal population outburst needs to be controled, or for people that REALLY couldn't afford meet if they didn't hunt.

Other then that, you have meat at the market, why would you want a bloodshed?

 

[ComradeDavo]

Fair enough. That isn't how you put it in your earlier post, but I'll accept that. I would vote against you.

Democracy in action!

Humans cause damage, but they also do useful awesome things, what useful awesome things do deer do?

They do things that are useful and awesome to deer, which is what they should be judged by.
I don't judge animals by the same stanards as I do for humans because I realise that there are differences in intelligence levels form animal to animal. But I also think that deer and such should be aloud to exist in their natural habitat without beign hunted. Humans have pleanty of things they can do for pleasure or food, there is no need to hunt deer. Let them go about their buisness.

I think the real question should be why do you feel the need to destroy other living beings? Do deer make you feel inadequte?

Better let people know that you would ban hunting for sport, though. Instead of not mentioning it at all and then just banning it.

It would be in the manifesto!

 

[trader/warrior]

Humans have pleanty of things they can do for pleasure or food, there is no need to hunt deer. Let them go about their buisness.

I think the real question should be why do you feel the need to destroy other living beings? Do deer make you feel inadequte?


It would be in the manifesto!

Overpopulation will cause more suffering to more animals no? Lack of food and habitat is a really slow and painfull death as well as the surviving deer who will live a long life of starvation and suffering.

Also imagine the evolutionary consequenses of hunting... In 100000 years we will have impossible to hunt ninja deer!