Is Noam Chomsky a "dweeb"?

Is he?


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Plenty of people have been inspired by the...decidedly nontraditional way he approaches analyzing foreign affairs, America's use of power, the media in ostensibly democratic societies, and intellectual cowardice of all kinds.

I mean, he misses the mark on the details of plenty of things, but a Chomsky book (like Towards a New Cold War or whatever you can dig up on chomsky.info) can be a good beginner's lesson in challenging your worldviews. It was for me, and I didn't suddenly become a libertarian socialist like Chomsky.

Since his materials are so easy to access (relatively speaking) and he is so widely known, this makes him more relevant than other dudes & dudettes who are basically smarter Chomskys.

imo

:dunno: this would be true enough if I didn't find Chomsky's way of thinking to be pretty much conventional. Outside of the sphere of CFC and other places where people generally have informed opinions about that sort of thing, most people I hear talking about international relations are either devoted to the idea that the United States sows seeds of good and light and democracy, or that alternatively it is an evil warmongering dictatorship run by Nazi-communists.

I don't debate that there may be interesting things to discover or at least comment on when taking a moral view of international politics. What I do debate is that doing so is courageous; it just excuses people from actually becoming informed because the involved parties are unquestionable moral paragons/criminals against mankind.

To be short, I don't think he's saying anything useful or new. He may be a great lingual expert, I don't know. I am just not convinced that the repetition of the observation that important and powerful nations do bad things equals an informed opinion.
 
Everyone who has commented in this thread is a dweeb. Including me.
 
I would vote for option 1 but that might imply that I don't consider option 3 correct as well therefore I shall abstain from this poll.
My comments remain valid.
 
People who have more to contribute to debate on geopolitics other than proselytizing about the evils of the United States. Admittedly, I haven't read much of his material, but what I have read has been this kind of preachy self-righteousness.
I'd hate to live wherever you live, that "Maybe don't kill so many children? I manage not to!" is considered sanctimonious.

He's such a dweeb that he should legally change his name to Dweeby McDweeb.
Dweeby Dweebstein, surely?
 
I've never understood all the Chomsky hate. His views on politics aren't entirely to my liking but he's nonetheless a compelling intellectual.
 
tl;dr: He's a world-famous linguist! No, he's not a pseudo-intellectual, his opponents are! That's that.
I think when someone's a world-famous linguist he can very well be called an intellectual.

Of course that doesn't have any bearing on his qualifications to talk about politics.
 
I am rather fond of Noam Chomsky's work in the fields of cognition and linguistics. From his book On the Developmental Orientation and Obfuscation of the Lesser-Greater Grammar Diammetry:

Noam Chomsky said:
Notice, incidentally, that a descriptively adequate grammar may remedy and, at the same time, eliminate the requirement that branching is not tolerated within the dominance scope of a complex symbol. So far, any associated supporting element raises serious doubts about an important distinction in language use. If the position of the trace in (99c) were only relatively inaccessible to movement, the descriptive power of the base component is to be regarded as problems of phonemic and morphological analysis. From C1, it follows that the fundamental error of regarding functional notions as categorial is not to be considered in determining a stipulation to place the constructions into these various categories. By combining adjunctions and certain deformations, the notion of level of grammaticalness is, apparently, determined by the ultimate standard that determines the accuracy of any proposed grammar.

It appears that any associated supporting element cannot be arbitrary in irrelevant intervening contexts in selectional rules. To provide a constituent structure for T(Z,K), the appearance of parasitic gaps in domains relatively inaccessible to ordinary extraction is necessary to impose an interpretation on nondistinctness in the sense of distinctive feature theory. To characterize a linguistic level L, the systematic use of complex symbols suffices to account for a general convention regarding the forms of the grammar. Comparing these examples with their parasitic gap counterparts in (96) and (97), we see that the descriptive power of the base component appears to correlate rather closely with the extended c-command discussed in connection with (34). Of course, the earlier discussion of deviance raises serious doubts about the levels of acceptability from fairly high (eg (99a)) to virtual gibberish (eg (98d)).

Of course, relational information cannot be arbitrary in the traditional practice of grammarians. Furthermore, a subset of English sentences interesting on quite independent grounds can be defined in such a way as to impose a general convention regarding the forms of the grammar. It may be, then, that this selectionally introduced contextual feature is not quite equivalent to problems of phonemic and morphological analysis. So far, the descriptive power of the base component is not to be considered in determining the extended c-command discussed in connection with (34). Clearly, the appearance of parasitic gaps in domains relatively inaccessible to ordinary extraction may remedy and, at the same time, eliminate the system of base rules exclusive of the lexicon.

Poetry in science.
 
In the sense that poetry is very often impenetrable, yes, it is poetry.

Incidentally, I think the title you're referring to is On the Developmental Orientation and Obfuscation of the Lesser-Greater Grammar Symmetry.

It's a minor, but important, point, I think.
 
I think when someone's a world-famous linguist he can very well be called an intellectual.

Of course that doesn't have any bearing on his qualifications to talk about politics.
Indeed. I can't think of a better poster boy for who should be considered to be an intellectual than someone like Noam Chomsky.

And it really has no bearing at all on his political views. It just completely destroys the notion that he is actually a pseudo-intellectual by those who merely disagree with those views.

Not to mention, it should be quite obvious that I wasn't claiming anybody who happened to disagree with those views must be a pseudo-intellectual. That is a strawman. But some certainly are.

I've never understood all the Chomsky hate. His views on politics aren't entirely to my liking but he's nonetheless a compelling intellectual.
A large part of it is because he is ethnically a Jew, yet he is not a Zionist. He is quite critical of many of the policies of the Israeli government and the mistreatment of Palestinians. For that he is often even labeled as an anti-Semite, as many others are, which is beyond absurd. It just shows to what depths some are willing to go to try to discredit others for merely disagreeing with their own views.

And as far as being "anti-American" is concerned, for many of those who claim he must be that as well:

QUESTION: After releasing your book 9-11, many reporters have said that you are anti-American. Others even suggest that you should pack up and move to another country since you believe America to be a leading terrorist state. How do you respond to such remarks?

CHOMSKY: The concept "anti-American" is an interesting one. The counterpart is used only in totalitarian states or military dictatorships, something I wrote about many years ago (see my book Letters from Lexington). Thus, in the old Soviet Union, dissidents were condemned as "anti-Soviet." That's a natural usage among people with deeply rooted totalitarian instincts, which identify state policy with the society, the people, the culture. In contrast, people with even the slightest concept of democracy treat such notions with ridicule and contempt. Suppose someone in Italy who criticizes Italian state policy were condemned as "anti-Italian." It would be regarded as too ridiculous even to merit laughter. Maybe under Mussolini, but surely not otherwise.

Actually the concept has earlier origins. It was used in the Bible by King Ahab, the epitome of evil, to condemn those who sought justice as "anti-Israel" ("ocher Yisrael," in the original Hebrew, roughly "hater of Israel," or "disturber of Israel"). His specific target was Elijah.

It's interesting to see the tradition in which the people you refer to choose to place themselves. The idea of leaving America because one opposes state policy is another reflection of deep totalitarian commitments. Solzhenitsyn, for example, was forced to leave Russia, against his will, by people with beliefs very much like those you are quoting.
 
Anyone who thinks the sun shines out of Chomsky's backside should spend a little time checking up on his use of sources. Scratch the surface, and it becomes clear that he's played fast and loose with the facts more than once. Dig a little deeper, and you start questioning his motives, so frequently does he twist and manipulate information to fit his chosen narrative.
 
What are his motives then? Is he just a self-publicist, looking for the main chance?
 
Anyone who thinks the sun shines out of Chomsky's backside should spend a little time checking up on his use of sources. Scratch the surface, and it becomes clear that he's played fast and loose with the facts more than once. Dig a little deeper, and you start questioning his motives, so frequently does he twist and manipulate information to fit his chosen narrative.
Again, even a single example would do much to lend your own hyperbole-laden acrimony a semblance of credibility.
 
Make sure to present it in overly large quote blocks pasted from wiki or online news media, with half of the text in bold face.
 
If you rearrange the letters in Noam Chomsky's name, you get "Satan," "Hitler," "Abraham Lincoln," etc. among other things.
 
Make sure to present it in overly large quote blocks pasted from wiki or online news media, with half of the text in bold face.
OK. Now that was funny. Touche. :lol:
 
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(As somebody who actually owns a few of Chomsky's political books (they're okay) I felt like I should contribute, but I didn't have anything to say. So here we are.)
 
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