Is racism in America really classism?

[luiz]

It absolutely has a huge effect on the lives of blacks and Hispanics. It overwhelms nearly all other considerations. Imagine spending a portion of your life in jail for no other reason than that you are black, and a white person who had does exactly the same thing did not spend a single night in jail for it. Imagine that your father spent your childhood in prison and your mother on welfare for no reason other than the fact that you are black, and a white family would not have had that happen.

How does this not have a huge effect on how your life turns out?

As a "hispanic" who has lived in the US, I can say that I was never affected by racism in any way whatsoever. Neither has anyone in my family or any of of the people I know who live in the US.

So yeah, racism is certainly very meaningless compared to other issues.

 

[Cutlass]

As a "hispanic" who has lived in the US, I can say that I was never affected by racism in any way whatsoever. Neither has anyone in my family or any of of the people I know who live in the US.

So yeah, racism is certainly very meaningless compared to other issues.

So your one experience trumps millions of people in prison. Got it.

 

[Rashiminos]

It isn't a "half-cooked idea" at all. It is fully baked.

Are you meaning to imply that his idea is fully formed and well-conceived?

Some of us might go for completely raw instead.

If you tend to factor in poor nutrition, lack of appropriate healthcare, lack of educational opportunity, and lack of decent sleep, that statement reflects the truth.

Which leaves the interesting question in that why are upper middle class black people so involved? My (admittedly cynical) guess is that they (like most everybody) want to feel persecuted and naturally don't want to feel like they have "check there privilege" as is so common in Liberal circles. But by focusing on race as an issue (as opposed to class) they can maintain their persecution complex. And it's easy to do since there are so many class issues (that statistically become race issues) they can use.

Nah, if you want cynical, you have to go at least a little deeper than that. There are people taking advantage of the George Zimmerman trial to engender more racial tension rather than diffusing and healing it.

 

[Formaldehyde]

So your one experience trumps millions of people in prison. Got it.

There should be a special place in Maricopa County for those who think anecdotal experiences somehow negate the facts.

Are you meaning to imply that his idea is fully formed and well-conceived?

Some of us might go for completely raw instead.

Check out a slang dictionary for "baked". But yes, I could have stated that instead.

Nah, if you want cynical, you have to go at least a little deeper than that. There are people taking advantage of the George Zimmerman trial to engender more racial tension rather than diffusing and healing it.

And, ironically, many of them even think there is no racism anymore except among those who even dare mention it.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

There should be a special place in Maricopa County for those who use that logical fallacy based on anecdotal evidence.

Man, of all the things I read today, this takes the cake . I'll be sure to keep this post in mind in other threads with logical fallacies.

 

[Rashiminos]

Check out a slang dictionary for "baked". But yes, I could have stated that instead.

Amusing case of doublespeak, isn't it?

I tend to prefer the food analogy anyways (wider applicability).

 

[luiz]

So your one experience trumps millions of people in prison. Got it.

If racism was such an overwhelming part of living in the Us I'd think me or any of the dozens of Hispanics I know who live there would have noticed, but nah.

As for people in prison, might that have something to do with the dynamics of drug trafficking into the USA?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Try just hanging out in Maricopa County.

 

[luiz]

Try just hanging out in Maricopa County.

I've been to Arizona, though not Maricopa, and noticed nothing. I bet I could go to Maricopa and be left unmolested, simply because I don't look like an illegal immigrants, ie, I am not poor and I don't look poor. Ao while racism does exist it is subtle and is dwarfed by other forms of discrimination.

 

[useless]

So let me get this straight... because you personally weren't the subject of racism, racism isn't a big issue? Amazing.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I've been to Arizona, though not Maricopa, and noticed nothing. I bet I could go to Maricopa and be left unmolested, simply because I don't look like an illegal immigrants, ie, I am not poor and I don't look poor. Ao while racism does exist it is subtle and is dwarfed by other forms of discrimination.

That is certainly an element of it. The other is how dark your skin is.

There is a massive amount of racism in your own country as well as others in Latin America on this basis, such as Mexico where the affluent are typically far lighter in skin color than the poor. But of course, you are just going to try to claim it doesn't exist or is extremely minor once again as you have numerous times in the past, and despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Ricardo Montalban probably doesn't experience much racism personally, if at all. But I bet his maid does.

 

[bhsup]

Ricardo Montalban probably doesn't experience much racism personally,

I certainly hope he doesn't. He's dead.

 

[Zelig]

I've been to Arizona, though not Maricopa, and noticed nothing. I bet I could go to Maricopa and be left unmolested, simply because I don't look like an illegal immigrants, ie, I am not poor and I don't look poor. Ao while racism does exist it is subtle and is dwarfed by other forms of discrimination.

I don't recall you looking non-Caucasian either.

 

[Cutlass]

If racism was such an overwhelming part of living in the Us I'd think me or any of the dozens of Hispanics I know who live there would have noticed, but nah.

As for people in prison, might that have something to do with the dynamics of drug trafficking into the USA?

You're white. The fact that you are also Hispanic doesn't change that.

 

[Formaldehyde]

It does for many of the George Zimmerman apologists.

 

[Traitorfish]

You're white. The fact that you are also Hispanic doesn't change that.

White and upper-middle class, at that, seeing as we've already noted the inter-relatedness of racism and classism in American society.

 

[Ajidica]

Ricardo Montalban probably doesn't experience much racism personally, if at all.

Of course not. Everybody but Kirk is scared of Khan.

 

[Formaldehyde]

And here I thought it was the soft Corinthian leather.

 

[Lord Baal]

Ricardo Montalban probably doesn't experience much racism personally, if at all. But I bet his maid does.

He was re-cast as a pasty Englishman.

 

[ParkCungHee]

To be fair, they balanced out the diversity in "Into Darkness" by recasting Khan as a mentally disabled character.