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[MacAttack]

Islamic State 'destroys ancient Iraq statues in Mosul'

Besides their crimes against humanity, I take great offense and issue when precious historical artifacts, regardless of their meaning and symbolism, are summarily destroyed. I would be just as furious if the someone destroyed the Quba Mosque in Medina or St. Peter's Cathedral in Rome. Further proof that they are not really looking to nation build but instigate the rest of the world.

This behavior is completely unacceptable and will further alienate them from the global community of nations and there is not an ounce of legitimacy to their cause, regardless of the causes that brought them to where they are today.

Perhaps they are jealous that the crisis in the Ukraine gets more attention? We will never know that.

 

[kramerfan86]

Honestly I feel bad saying this but chaos like this is why I fully support countries like Britain not shipping back the artifacts they looted during colonialism.

 

[MacAttack]

Oh I completely understand what you mean and I agree. Nothing against Egypt, but I worry when I hear about riots and coup d'etats there and all the artifacts that reside inside the Cairo Museum.

 

[Berzerker]

this mess could have been avoided had Iraq been carved up after Saddam with Sunni, Shia and Kurds getting the lion's share

 

[kramerfan86]

this mess could have been avoided had Iraq been carved up after Saddam with Sunni, Shia and Kurds getting the lion's share

Maybe, maybe not, depends on how well run the Sunni state was.

 

[Ajidica]

this mess could have been avoided had Iraq been carved up after Saddam with Sunni, Shia and Kurds getting the lion's share

So your solution was to ignore Iraqi Nationalism -which does exist- and create a situation where none of the three parties have any reason to work together. At the same time, further emphasizing the importance of sectarian and ethnic divisions.

Yep. Don't see how this could possibly go wrong.

 

[Kyriakos]

Honestly I feel bad saying this but chaos like this is why I fully support countries like Britain not shipping back the artifacts they looted during colonialism.

we bombed/ruined your country, so we cannot give you back what we stole cause it is not safe.

Tenuous connection, m8? Iraq is in a state of war. Britain most importantly by far has artifacts from countries not in war (i seem to forget the name now, maybe proximity to your post forces the repression ).

 

[Agent327]

Looting of artifacts in Iraq has been done mostly by Iraqis, not those doing the bombing/ruining.

Oh I completely understand what you mean and I agree. Nothing against Egypt, but I worry when I hear about riots and coup d'etats there and all the artifacts that reside inside the Cairo Museum.

There's been precious few rioting in the Cairo Museum though.

 

[Berzerker]

So your solution was to ignore Iraqi Nationalism -which does exist- and create a situation where none of the three parties have any reason to work together. At the same time, further emphasizing the importance of sectarian and ethnic divisions.

Yep. Don't see how this could possibly go wrong.

Iraqi nationalism? How'd that work out? ISIS is the Sunni response to handing the place over to the Shia, had the Sunni been given their own country we wouldn't be watching this catastrophe.

 

[r16]

who says ISIL is the response to anything , apart from a whole range of media outlets ? Iraqis suffered 12 years of embargo , daily airraids where applicable . They could have wellcome the US invasion with flowers . Washington chose to ignore the option ; there was nothing to beat the Iraqis and a lot to post-war where there was bound to be trouble . To prove Americans were strong enough to do anything Rumsfeld with whole hearted support of all in Washington , allowed so few troops . Chaos ensued , whole sale plunder that took place is not exactly conducive to good goverment . The long supressed Shia were given leniency if you will by the "need" to drive out the Iranians . And the one to entice them "in". Despite the fighting supported by Teheran and all that also happened . Then the troubles with the Sunnis were simply swamped by the dollar bills . The chaos , to re-use the word , is an American conceived and controlled process used to justify the destruction of the borders and the like which has to take place because America wants it to happen .

all in the name of Kurds who in the creation of their 'stan will be gloriously victorious in the fight that counts . The one America somehow indeed stupidly can not dare . Do not let yourself be fooled by the ease the Kurds ran when the ISIL dudes got overexcited and used initiative during the heady days when Musul was surrendered to them . The Kurds are gods of war as the experience shows ... It's just misleading as America was not sharing info with the Shia in Baghdad yet providing ample variety to the Sunni within the ranks of ISIL . Some accident , and it's hugely expensive for the American taxpayer . That need to keep things under reasonable appearance . Stop supporting justifications for the divison of Iraq so that the Kurds long oppressed for the Millennia can get their nation state or something . Instead press for war with the undesirables , it will be huge fun and can be over in a day . Instead of this Kuwaiti born computer sciences student , calm and pleasant with NGOs , blaming the West for radicalizing Muslims and unfortunately forced to behead US journalists , only because you know we are supposed to be hard ...

it's so tiresome mocking the good old US , you know ...

 

[kramerfan86]

we bombed/ruined your country, so we cannot give you back what we stole cause it is not safe.

Tenuous connection, m8? Iraq is in a state of war. Britain most importantly by far has artifacts from countries not in war (i seem to forget the name now, maybe proximity to your post forces the repression ).

The US may have created instability, but it wasnt the US that specifically stomped into a museum and destroyed artifacts for being "idols"

 

[bhavv]

I just don't get why we don't just nuke the whole ISIS places. Nuke nuke nuke nuke, problem solved.

 

[MacAttack]

There's been precious few rioting in the Cairo Museum though.

The fact that there as been any rioting nearby is worrisome. Either way, I still worry.

I wonder how an individual can come up with the conclusion that a 1500 year old artifact or statue must be destroyed because of the ideological difference. How insecure must they feel that they need to purge a museum? It is irreconcilable.

I'm still so upset I cant get off this soap box.

On the Three Nation Solution subject, the reason the British created Iraq as what we know today, is that they felt that it would be easier to manage foreign relations if you create one country, and put in a minority group in place to run it. In theory, that could be a good idea, but like communism, you need perfectly selfless, benevolent, ethical, incorruptible, unifying figures to run the country. And as we know, the human condition is incapable of that. In my own estimation, we may be at a crossroads where we need to seriously discuss the fragmenting of this nation along these lines. Things are looking better for the former Yugoslav nations now that they are out on their own.
We can more or less tell what the borders would be, the big question is, what to do with Baghdad, the main prize of people in that region.

 

[NovaKart]

Kirkuk is going to be a problem between Kurdistan and Iraq if there's a division.

 

[kramerfan86]

In any area of conflict I would default to giving to the Kurds since they have proven themselves more competent than the other sections of Iraq.

 

[Borachio]

I didn't know that "Kurd" was a religion.

 

[MacAttack]

I didn't know that "Kurd" was a religion.

really dude

 

[Borachio]

Well, it isn't.

It's an ethnicity (with a majority of Sunni but also many Shia - and other religions). But then Sunni and Shia aren't ethnicities. So, I guess I'm pointing out that the map has me confused with its confusing mix of ethnicities and religions.

Now, if it doesn't have you confused, that's fine.

 

[kramerfan86]

I dont really see why its confusing, the key point is to split it amongst key groups. In Iraq those groups are split along ethnic and religious lines. Kurds have a unique level of solidarity on an ethnic level that separates them from the religious divide seen amongst the arabs.

 

[Borachio]

And you don't find that confusing? What do the Kurds have that enables them to transcend the religious differences that divide the Arabs?

Supra-tribalism, maybe? Or maybe religion isn't as important to them?