It was a riot but in this case I don't think it bothered them because they were holding up banners and I think the point was to get attention. However, I was nervous about taking photos because of the police reaction. Actually later on I did see some photographers among the police.
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It was a riot but in this case I don't think it bothered them because they were holding up banners and I think the point was to get attention. However, I was nervous about taking photos because of the police reaction. Actually later on I did see some photographers among the police.
It's awfully hard to break into an ATM but anything is possible. From the start the demonstrations included vandalizing things and everything was shut down so while I'm sympathetic to the cause of Kobane I'm not really sympathetic to the protestors.
Well...Isis operates in large parts of Iraq. Maybe they found the WMDs of Saddam!
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Well...Isis operates in large parts of Iraq. Maybe they found the WMDs of Saddam!
Nah they are just finding us an old casus belli. EU4 can point to ISIS I guess and show why it makes sense for Japan to get into a coalition against the Hansa I guess
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why on earth would anybody , specifically the Western Goverments and the like for care for the Kurdish cause ? The phrase "cause" being defined by the plight of actual people ? Say , it seems after 25 odd days of existance on the edge of destruction and genocide the town of Ayn-al-Arab will survive ! The average air attacks would be like 7 over 2 days , there were supposedly 21 yesterday alone . What gives after so many declarations of Kerry himself that the town hence "democratic cantons" and stuff had no place in American strategy ? Let's see , today is the day the glorious dear leader of the seperatists in some island prison has declared would be the decision day ; if Ankara does not accept the "demands" the seperatists demand -above the all ready accepted stuff about dividing the country in return for oil- the "Peace" ends and war returns to Turkey . Accordingly the seperatists have been firing on military posts for days and the Goverment of the Little Imperialist has released the Air Force on some camps and stuff . See , the seperatists are not to be broken by the spectacle of their politicos who were like thinkin' that they were good and on track if they captured the hearts and minds of the Turkish Left . The demonstrations put some water on the spark of fire and the political leadership of the Syrian branch of the seperatists pictured on some figurative shoe lickin' expedition to Barzani . Who in return declares he has sent weapons to Ayn-al-Arab , never minding all that strech of Turkey that lies between and Ankara being hardly sympathetic . That the "tide is turning" or something can also be gauged from the declaration that the Turkish Radical Left had its first combat casualty in the town , a social sciences graduate and stuff with prospects of a brilliant academic life and stuff . He told his family that he was going abroad for a Spanish language course ; it's indeed probable that he actually fell in combat . The thing being the Radical Left and the seperatists were just in shooting street battles during this year's presidential elections over the Goverment supported seperatist moves to hijack the Left in Turkey . Now the Radicals need to ptove that they were indeed in the Stalingrad of the seperatists ; their Bagration would be most awe inspiring then my American "Friends" , are you doing a D-Day on the anniversary of Gallipoli ?
meanwhile the things in the Homefront are also like "stable" . The demonstrations "readily" justify the toughening up of the Police work . The prediliction to be tinpot despots being so apparent . And such was the background when there was one of these endless TV debates pitching one proffessor against a journo . The proffessor comes from a "distinguished" family and gets to be truly despised in many places for his endless tirades against the coup-plotters of yesteryears . The journo would prosper under Goebbels . The venue being the recent Party victory in the elections in a high council for judges and attorneys ; the current numbers now being 10 Party , 4 Left , 4 Far Right and stuff and 4 Congregation people on a mission of supposed neutrality to dispense Justice . Don't get too impressed , it turned out despite all the work and stuff the Congregation is the largest power in Judiciary , 5500 people voting for those 4 guys making a full 40% of the judges and attorneys . It was election methods that gave the edge to coalition that had almost everybody but the Congregation in it . So the journo gets really worked up the proffessor's talk on the corruption charges that started the deadly confrontation between the Party and the Congregation and the camera suddenly zooms on him . You see him shaking his head up and down ; horribly it looks like he is agreeing with the proffessor ; he stops . Knowing Turkish though ı would readily swear that he was thinking of some homosexual interaction with the proffessor . A bad portent of the days to come ; with such rampant imperialism and stuff and a confidence that bulliness is the way forward when it's actually Americans pulling the strings ; the feeling is the orbital bombardment would loose some edge if stuff really came to happen and people did what they really want to do ... As if America doesn't have enough to prove it kinda really deserves it .
the image relates to stuff when ı was logging with IE something ; had to go to Chrome instead .
edit : Turns out to a setting in that particular PC , changed places and it works allright .
meanwhile the things in the Homefront are also like "stable" . The demonstrations "readily" justify the toughening up of the Police work . The prediliction to be tinpot despots being so apparent . And such was the background when there was one of these endless TV debates pitching one proffessor against a journo . The proffessor comes from a "distinguished" family and gets to be truly despised in many places for his endless tirades against the coup-plotters of yesteryears . The journo would prosper under Goebbels . The venue being the recent Party victory in the elections in a high council for judges and attorneys ; the current numbers now being 10 Party , 4 Left , 4 Far Right and stuff and 4 Congregation people on a mission of supposed neutrality to dispense Justice . Don't get too impressed , it turned out despite all the work and stuff the Congregation is the largest power in Judiciary , 5500 people voting for those 4 guys making a full 40% of the judges and attorneys . It was election methods that gave the edge to coalition that had almost everybody but the Congregation in it . So the journo gets really worked up the proffessor's talk on the corruption charges that started the deadly confrontation between the Party and the Congregation and the camera suddenly zooms on him . You see him shaking his head up and down ; horribly it looks like he is agreeing with the proffessor ; he stops . Knowing Turkish though ı would readily swear that he was thinking of some homosexual interaction with the proffessor . A bad portent of the days to come ; with such rampant imperialism and stuff and a confidence that bulliness is the way forward when it's actually Americans pulling the strings ; the feeling is the orbital bombardment would loose some edge if stuff really came to happen and people did what they really want to do ... As if America doesn't have enough to prove it kinda really deserves it .
the image relates to stuff when ı was logging with IE something ; had to go to Chrome instead .
edit : Turns out to a setting in that particular PC , changed places and it works allright .
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If owning weapons of mass destruction were a casus belli we'd be permanently at war since 1945. Anywho, the report is on some of Saddam's chemical weapons leftovers, so the two aren't really related.
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a boring Wednesday night . Almost 2 in the morning and am waiting the sleep to come . The TV is on and with some appropriate and wellcome drowsiness ı watch some English kings kill each other . Have no clue what's goin' on but according to subtitles Mary of Anjou appears to have landed . Is this the War of Roses stuff ? ı certainly remember ı once tried to follow those battles inspired by some novel ı read 25 odd years back . ı also remember reading Ivanhoe a couple times when ı was like between 10 and 15 . Now ı have no clue remaining on that novel either but is that it ? Then it happenz . Some guy in the street , or in the backstreet , but some guy definitely in this city shouts that he loves some girl or whatever . The next morning ı will find a crumpled letter in my house's recycling bin , involving stuff definitely none of my business ... Is this some CIA mystery that ı should tire myself with instead of discovering for the 26,789th time that Barack Hussein lacks spine and stands erect only with corsets under the shirt ? Or should ı rant that the Municipality should do some better work with street lamps ?
even the news that the glorious New Turkey proves its worth over the stupid Americans are kinda stale . You know America has the White House . It's a house where the President of the US lives and not a Palace as the Turkish translation of it has : Beyaz Saray ... We have been hearing this from the smarties since about 2011 or something when it was clear the Counter-revolution had succeeded and was here to stay . The White House is not a Palace ! Oh-kay , whatever smarties say . Now the PM has this new building in Atatürk's Farm area and the Party Media naturally calls it the "White Palace" . Uncertain of the future back in the day , they actually tried to get the US State Department to ask for land to build a new embassy over there , but this is now the past , right ? White Palace it is and it has 1000 rooms . Barack Hussein , confess it , you are green with envy ! Invitations were sent recently for the Grand Opening and the adress is not Atatürk Orman Çiftliği but some place called "5 Hills" . Generals and Admirals in that stupid 5 cornered building in Washington: You now can drop dead , too ! The New Turkey is so great , the PM as the President has of course has to visit Kemal's Mouseleum and must wow that he will keep the Revolutions ; the catch lies in the incredible richness of the Arabic and stuff . The PM can not say Devrim , it's a "new" word from the 1930s . As for the available phrase , there is a "difference" . With the replacement of one wowel between ı and i the "Revolution" turns into "becoming a dog" and ı still don't know which is which after hearing it once when ı was in the high school , the teacher obviously being not that much of a "Muslim" . The PM knows he will be watched by people who knows and there he is , woving to keep the "Enkilaps" of Atatürk . Must be so galling for them smarties . So drop dead you all -with the 1000 rooms of the White Palace ...
oh , then the morning brightens up ! The glorious American escapade has a code name now . Remember these are Turkish TVs , they are supposed to translate the thing and it's given as Operation Free Will . Great , a ton of jokey jokey stuff on Free Willy , with evil Turk imprisoning the poor Kurd and good boy Sam - in his short pants so not yet an uncle- watches the splendour as the freedom happenz and the Kurds reach the sea in some sparkling shower of water drops , arching overhead . Oh no . Some other says it's actually Operation Self Determination . Oh , Americans gettin' tougher or softer ? Have done a few translations when ı was in the university and ı would have some basic idea on what ı was trying to say in this sentence or that paragraph but not sure the customer would ; ı always prefer reading "original" English language stuff ...
and the poor Pentagon Admiral has to explain how come on God's green Earth they are now giving effective support to the Kurds . Al Crusading had a reporter speaking of the success with a background of wildly cheering refugees from Ayn-al-Arab as jets struck . With the taking down one single building on the frontline , full of Jihadists ready to attack , the seperatists have advanced 500 metres without a single shot . Why not doing this on Week 1 of the siege instead of Week 4 ? So that some freakin' 35 people would not have died in Turkey ? Including a mother barely 20 years old of gun shot wounds , with her 10 months old daughter on her lap , trying to watch TV at home . Or this bearded guy walking on the street -ı think in Istanbul- literally gets axed and is left to die , and his photos taken with a cellphone online within minutes as a glorious victory against ISIL in Diyarbakır . One can almost understand why ISIL sympatherizers firing shotguns from their offices were taken alive , thrown from the top of their building and run over by cars . Oh , America sez it ain't no conspiracy but dare not say there are boots on the ground that coordinate the air attacks ; it turns out the weather in Iraq is bad so the jets are available , uhmm , for Syria .
ı still remember hitting ISIL in Syria was an absolute must to defeat the evil Jihadists and you know it's not even a month old on this Friday 17th, of October 2014 ... To Syria , to hit the roots of the problem , instead of Toyota chasing in Iraq . Right on the day the city of Hit falls producing a nice and easy 180 000 refugees and giving replacement ammunition to the ISIL through captured Iraqi Army depots , now that they are obviously close to finish what they got from Musul back in June . Bad weather , he says . ı have this book on the glorious feat of arms of the US Military back in 2003 ; it has like 50 pages on how the stupid Iraqis died in an avalanche of JDAMs during the Shamal , thinkin' that they couldn't see the Americans meant Americans could not see them either . Or whatever ... Try them Americans honestly . That you badly want to depopulate the entire Middle East , you might even still lie that you want the oil . The Manifest Destiny is not my history , man ! Americans are just human beings , right ? They would understand the self interest stuff ; as they have been doing exactly so through out their entire history . Would even allow American boots on the ground to kill some Turks ! You could have this black marble slab with just 100 or 200 names on it who fell during our destruction ; what did Arabs do to you that you feel that you must kill another million of them ?
even the news that the glorious New Turkey proves its worth over the stupid Americans are kinda stale . You know America has the White House . It's a house where the President of the US lives and not a Palace as the Turkish translation of it has : Beyaz Saray ... We have been hearing this from the smarties since about 2011 or something when it was clear the Counter-revolution had succeeded and was here to stay . The White House is not a Palace ! Oh-kay , whatever smarties say . Now the PM has this new building in Atatürk's Farm area and the Party Media naturally calls it the "White Palace" . Uncertain of the future back in the day , they actually tried to get the US State Department to ask for land to build a new embassy over there , but this is now the past , right ? White Palace it is and it has 1000 rooms . Barack Hussein , confess it , you are green with envy ! Invitations were sent recently for the Grand Opening and the adress is not Atatürk Orman Çiftliği but some place called "5 Hills" . Generals and Admirals in that stupid 5 cornered building in Washington: You now can drop dead , too ! The New Turkey is so great , the PM as the President has of course has to visit Kemal's Mouseleum and must wow that he will keep the Revolutions ; the catch lies in the incredible richness of the Arabic and stuff . The PM can not say Devrim , it's a "new" word from the 1930s . As for the available phrase , there is a "difference" . With the replacement of one wowel between ı and i the "Revolution" turns into "becoming a dog" and ı still don't know which is which after hearing it once when ı was in the high school , the teacher obviously being not that much of a "Muslim" . The PM knows he will be watched by people who knows and there he is , woving to keep the "Enkilaps" of Atatürk . Must be so galling for them smarties . So drop dead you all -with the 1000 rooms of the White Palace ...
oh , then the morning brightens up ! The glorious American escapade has a code name now . Remember these are Turkish TVs , they are supposed to translate the thing and it's given as Operation Free Will . Great , a ton of jokey jokey stuff on Free Willy , with evil Turk imprisoning the poor Kurd and good boy Sam - in his short pants so not yet an uncle- watches the splendour as the freedom happenz and the Kurds reach the sea in some sparkling shower of water drops , arching overhead . Oh no . Some other says it's actually Operation Self Determination . Oh , Americans gettin' tougher or softer ? Have done a few translations when ı was in the university and ı would have some basic idea on what ı was trying to say in this sentence or that paragraph but not sure the customer would ; ı always prefer reading "original" English language stuff ...
and the poor Pentagon Admiral has to explain how come on God's green Earth they are now giving effective support to the Kurds . Al Crusading had a reporter speaking of the success with a background of wildly cheering refugees from Ayn-al-Arab as jets struck . With the taking down one single building on the frontline , full of Jihadists ready to attack , the seperatists have advanced 500 metres without a single shot . Why not doing this on Week 1 of the siege instead of Week 4 ? So that some freakin' 35 people would not have died in Turkey ? Including a mother barely 20 years old of gun shot wounds , with her 10 months old daughter on her lap , trying to watch TV at home . Or this bearded guy walking on the street -ı think in Istanbul- literally gets axed and is left to die , and his photos taken with a cellphone online within minutes as a glorious victory against ISIL in Diyarbakır . One can almost understand why ISIL sympatherizers firing shotguns from their offices were taken alive , thrown from the top of their building and run over by cars . Oh , America sez it ain't no conspiracy but dare not say there are boots on the ground that coordinate the air attacks ; it turns out the weather in Iraq is bad so the jets are available , uhmm , for Syria .
ı still remember hitting ISIL in Syria was an absolute must to defeat the evil Jihadists and you know it's not even a month old on this Friday 17th, of October 2014 ... To Syria , to hit the roots of the problem , instead of Toyota chasing in Iraq . Right on the day the city of Hit falls producing a nice and easy 180 000 refugees and giving replacement ammunition to the ISIL through captured Iraqi Army depots , now that they are obviously close to finish what they got from Musul back in June . Bad weather , he says . ı have this book on the glorious feat of arms of the US Military back in 2003 ; it has like 50 pages on how the stupid Iraqis died in an avalanche of JDAMs during the Shamal , thinkin' that they couldn't see the Americans meant Americans could not see them either . Or whatever ... Try them Americans honestly . That you badly want to depopulate the entire Middle East , you might even still lie that you want the oil . The Manifest Destiny is not my history , man ! Americans are just human beings , right ? They would understand the self interest stuff ; as they have been doing exactly so through out their entire history . Would even allow American boots on the ground to kill some Turks ! You could have this black marble slab with just 100 or 200 names on it who fell during our destruction ; what did Arabs do to you that you feel that you must kill another million of them ?
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mmm... the new James Joyce?
This is why I don't read his posts. I'm not interested in conspiracy theories and I'm not interested in the CFC's version of Finnegans Wake or whatever stream of consciousness results from it. I honestly have no idea of what has been typed in a large space above and no desire to. I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that I've had enough experience with mental illness to not really care at this point.
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You suspect mental illness? I wouldn't have said so myself. Though of course I can't know for sure.
I just find r16's posts very hard to understand, and not worth spending the time it takes to figure them out. Which is a shame. Since I'm afraid I might miss something good one day.
I just find r16's posts very hard to understand, and not worth spending the time it takes to figure them out. Which is a shame. Since I'm afraid I might miss something good one day.
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in this world many things run in circles ... ı think it was a year or two back when we had this Joyce thing in CFC ; me saying ı owe finally passing the English Literature to a story of his ı read for the basis of an exam . Where the "hero" gets hurt by failing to keep a promise to a companion he seeks and the entire web is full of 150% correct analysis on how he won't get laid . Things are so obvious at times , if you manage to stand aside without following the herd . And stuff ... So , there is absolutely no requirement for any CFC member to like me , even read me . Am just the broken clock , that shows the correct time , once in a month or so .
it's not me that hurts the narrative the the Kurds are gods of war , the Turks are 'ing bad , so the great America should choose the K variety to destroy the T type . What's keeping America and its allies ı don't know . So , you might simply ignore this as well and hope the shiny uniforms will do better when America needs the Jihadist tidal wave strike someplace the next-time .
it's not me that hurts the narrative the the Kurds are gods of war , the Turks are 'ing bad , so the great America should choose the K variety to destroy the T type . What's keeping America and its allies ı don't know . So , you might simply ignore this as well and hope the shiny uniforms will do better when America needs the Jihadist tidal wave strike someplace the next-time .
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people have been waiting for the B-52s ; the ones that would teach us some respect and stuff for 40 years ; ı hear it can be rather annoying . This American thing that they claim they mean no harm , even when presented with stuff that they are being naughty behind our backs . Our , not mine ...
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Hmm.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/turkey-allow-kurdish-peshmerga-forces-passage-defend-kobani-isis-1470786
It seems that Turkey is playing different hands depending on whether its audience is foreign or domestic.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/turkey-allow-kurdish-peshmerga-forces-passage-defend-kobani-isis-1470786
It seems that Turkey is playing different hands depending on whether its audience is foreign or domestic.
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Do the Iraqi kurds have as strong of a connection with the organization Turkey has had much trouble with?
overall this city is setting up to be a pyrrhic victory at best for ISIS, they are losing a lot of troops and equipment trying to take a city that doesnt have a ton of real world value.
overall this city is setting up to be a pyrrhic victory at best for ISIS, they are losing a lot of troops and equipment trying to take a city that doesnt have a ton of real world value.
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I think, though I don't know, that the Iraqi Kurds might have an even stronger connection with the PKK than Turkish Kurds.
Let's not forget that the Iraqi Kurds were deliberately gassed by Saddam. And that since his fall they've enjoyed some autonomy within Iraq. While Turkey, in principle, is a pluralist state, able to accommodate some regionalisms. (But it probably doesn't.)
Let's not forget that the Iraqi Kurds were deliberately gassed by Saddam. And that since his fall they've enjoyed some autonomy within Iraq. While Turkey, in principle, is a pluralist state, able to accommodate some regionalisms. (But it probably doesn't.)
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the seperatists were basically raised by the Turkish State under the brilliant supervison of the CIA to break up the "monolithic" Left , which looked like could take over the contry by 1980s through elections . Currently the smarties are like stupefied that the re-established links and stuff is not exactly working and our seperatists can not remove the Barzanists from Iraq . Syrian Kurds on the other hand regularly formed 1/3 of the seperatists moving , fighting and terrorizing , especially at the times Hafız Esad used them as the proxy against us .
as for Ayn-al-Arab it has entirely fullfilled its purpose , scaring the seperatists and their Syrian background into a full operational control by the US . Which naturally has just been supplying weapons and stuff as soon as the threat went away . Jihadists compensated by America through other glories in Iraq , so that just leaves Ankara as the only loser .
as for Ayn-al-Arab it has entirely fullfilled its purpose , scaring the seperatists and their Syrian background into a full operational control by the US . Which naturally has just been supplying weapons and stuff as soon as the threat went away . Jihadists compensated by America through other glories in Iraq , so that just leaves Ankara as the only loser .
