Islam & Women's Rights (With Quotes)

[Leoreth]

Show me one leftist who adores the human rights situation in Saudi Arabia.

 

[Ajidica]

Show me one leftist who adores the human rights situation in Saudi Arabia.

They are all over the internet and our country because, as leftists, they don't see the truth. Where are they? THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!

 

[Leoreth]

Yeah, because endorsing backwards religious authoritarian regimes is what leftist are there for - and to promote atheism. Wait, what?

 

[Ajidica]

Don't try and understand it. It is all part of the leftists illogical nature.

 

[Tahuti]

Saudi Arabia is probably the most backward place on the planet (and home to Islam... go figure).
Don't say it too loudly though, we need their oil and you might upset some left wing idealists who refuse to see reality.

Saudi-Arabia isn't backward, except politically ofcourse. But again, North Korea and the KKK are also politically backward, but these aren't Islamic.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Show me one leftist who adores the human rights situation in Saudi Arabia.

Silly question. It's not about finding leftists who say this. It's about pulling inane statements from your arse and adding "the left think " in front of it.

It's what people do who realise their arguments are so spectacularly inferior the only thing they can beat are windmills, I mean big bad scary giants.

 

[HannibalBarka]

Saudi Arabia is probably the most backward place on the planet (and home to Islam... go figure).
Don't say it too loudly though, we need their oil and you might upset some left wing idealists who refuse to see reality.

The one who is refusing to see reality is the one that still think Christian Churches supported women's right even when proven wrong again and again. The one who is refusing to see reality is the one that understands that correlation does not equate causation only when it suits him, the one that puts belief before logic, you hold the same kind of reasoning Muslims fundies hold: what's written is above what's logic ... You're closer to a Wahhabi Saudi than to a Swedish

I am still waiting your comment about what makes you think you're a "better" Christian than the people of the Mayflower, a better "Protestant" than your GrandPa

 

[aelf]

It is idiotic. Thats why I don't advocate that view and never have. The moral stamp exists in Islam, but it can be ignored.

Uh, what exactly is this "moral stamp" anyway? How do you define a "moral stamp" and how do you know it exists?

 

[Incodcito]

Uh, what exactly is this "moral stamp" anyway? How do you define a "moral stamp" and how do you know it exists?

Translation: Islam was born during a time when a different set of moral standards were dominant. The Qu'ran was created in this firmament and its holy documents bear testament to this fact.

At this point I regret using Moral Stamp... kind of an antagonistic term.

 

[kochman]

Saudi-Arabia isn't backward, except politically ofcourse. But again, North Korea and the KKK are also politically backward, but these aren't Islamic.

I am speaking specifically in terms of their treatment of women.

 

[Leoreth]

Translation: Islam was born during a time when a different set of moral standards were dominant. The Qu'ran was created in this firmament and its holy documents bear testament to this fact.

At this point I regret using Moral Stamp... kind of an antagonistic term.

True, but so does the Bible. That's no argument either way.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Isn't it odd how the political group most responsible for the continued persecution of women, and the leader of ongoing attempts to deprive them of the right to be equal in all senses of the word, wants to use the treatment of women as an excuse to hate and vilify an entire religion with 1.6 billion practitioners?

For Mother's Day, Screw Chocolate! Give Us Equality!

Now, in the second year after becoming a mother myself, I am struck more than ever by how far we have left to go, and in particular, by the clash between our reverence for and idealization of the institution of motherhood, and our nation’s laws and policies. No matter how you look at it, we are quite simply not a mom-friendly nation.

Although the federal Family and Medical Leave Act provides up to 12 weeks of job-protected, unpaid leave after child birth, there is no requirement for paid parental leave. In fact, in one recent study of 190 countries, the U.S. was one of only three countries (along with Papua New Gunea and Swaziland) that failed to offer paid leave, and we are alone among developed nations in failing to provide it;

More than 50 million workers do not have paid sick leave to care for sick children. Only 61 percent of private-industry workers have any paid sick leave at all to care for sick children or other family members. This problem is particularly acute for women on the lowest rungs of the economic ladder. As Joan Williams has put it, such workers are often “one sick child away from being fired.”

According to one report, "women are half of all U.S. workers and mothers are the primary breadwinners or co-breadwinners in nearly two-thirds of American families." But despite this fact, there is a persistent pay gap between women and men that only increases when women become mothers—a phenomenon known as the “motherhood penalty”;

Low-income women who are full-time moms are demonized as “welfare queens,” and our nation has acq uiesced to policies like the “family cap” that penalize such women for having children;

There is a stark lack of options for affordable, quality child care that is worsening as cash-strapped states make cuts to early childhood education programs;

The states have unleashed an onslaught of restrictions on abortion and birth control that will result in women being forced to have children against their will.

"So, an ACLU Attorney, a Sheriff, and a Pro-Lifer Walk Into a Bar..."

This year however, we celebrated a major victory when our anti-shackling bill, H.B. 163, became law. This victory, like most, did not come easy. We first met with the Idaho Department of Corrections in the fall of 2009 to discuss our concerns about the practice of shackling pregnant women at the facility. They agreed to look into it, and a couple months later they made some changes to their internal policy and restricted the use of restraints on pregnant women during labor and delivery. It was a step in the right direction, but it wasn’t enough. For instance, the policy change only applied to state-run institutions and not the jails that serve 44 counties in Idaho. So, we decided to push for legislation during the 2010 legislative session.

Thanks to this new law, except in the most extraordinary of circumstances, every pregnant woman who is incarcerated in Idaho is protected against the use of restraints of any kind during labor and delivery. In addition, prisons and jails must give notice to all female prisoners about the existence of this law, and if restraints are ever deemed necessary, the reasons must be documented in writing.

It makes me so proud to be an American.

 

[civ_king]

Query: Do men get paid leave?

PS I support six months paid leave for the mother and the father (paid by the state) along with improved access to daycare.

 

[Formaldehyde]

The first highlighted segment in the above post claims the US is only one of 3 countries which doesn't provide this benefit. But once Papua New Gunea and Swaziland decide to come around, perhaps the US will decide to join the rest of the world in this regard.

 

[civ_king]

The first highlighted segment in the above post claims the US is only one of 3 countries which doesn't provide this benefit. But once Papua New Gunea and Swaziland decide to come around, perhaps the US will decide to join the rest of the world in this regard.

It says they want equality, if they have it the same as men it is equality

 

[aelf]

Translation: Islam was born during a time when a different set of moral standards were dominant. The Qu'ran was created in this firmament and its holy documents bear testament to this fact.

At this point I regret using Moral Stamp... kind of an antagonistic term.

That's acceptable, but 'moral stamp' does sound deterministic.

 

[Formaldehyde]

It says they want equality, if they have it the same as men it is equality

It doesn't matter what "they" want, which isn't even mentioned. The point remains that the US is apparently one of three backward countries which give men no rights in this regard.

So the answer to your original question "Do men get paid leave" is no.

 

[civ_king]

It doesn't matter what "they" want, which isn't even mentioned. The point remains that the US is apparently one of three backward countries which give men no rights in this regard.

So the answer to your original question "Do men get paid leave" is no.

They have entirely legitimate gripes, but the title is flawed

 

[Formaldehyde]

You don't think equality is more important than chocolate for Mother's Day?

Are you really claiming that position necessarily means that men should have as much maternity leave as women get if they want true equality? Should they also force men to have half the babies?

 

[Bill3000]

You don't think equality is more important than chocolate for Mother's Day?

I am pretty sure that chocolate tastes better.