Look, you asserted the IDF had never killed a child unless he was being used as a human shield. I refuted that. I fail to see where Lebanon comes into the issue.
I was talking about the Israeli Palestinian conflict.
Israel never gave an order to kill innocent Palestinians without any link to terrorism.
I haven't been following it closely, but I was under the impression there were several disagreements between the Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews, along with the Middle Eastern Jews.
It was mostly by the people.
The Ashkenazis were those who built most of the foundations of Israel and managed them, so the Middle Eastern Jews felt deprived.
Most of its outbursts were between individuals.
What about Sharon allowing Phalangist militia into the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps? The death of 106 Lebanese at Qana from shelling by IDF artillerymen?
The IDF is not perfect and excesses have occured, pretending they haven't is simply self-delusion.
I probably had to clarify it better - I'm talking about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
During the course of Operation Cast Lead, which took place in Gaza in January 2009, B'Tselem and other organizations were informed of cases in which soldiers used Palestinians as human shields. In one case, two soldiers were prosecuted for ordering a nine-year-old boy gunpoint to open a bag that they suspected was booby-trapped. The two were given a three-month conditional sentence and demoted from staff sergeant to private.
I'm not supposed to believe every word of beSelem, but this time it is true.
And you see that Israel objects such cases, and investigates them.
So you can't blame us for being war-crimers. We fight agaisnt the individual's war crimes even inside IDF.
Or, in the case of Ariel Sharon, elected PM.
I think there is no need to repeat what I said about Lebanon...
NOTE: I want to make it absolutely clear I am not trying to engage in Israel-bashing or trying to make the IDF seem like a cross between Attila's hordes and Frankish Crusaders.
I know you don't, but there are many others here who do.
It has already been "proven" in these threads in response to your posts, as was your response below regarding the completely unequal rights.
Proven? You all told about several tragedies.
You haven't proved how Israel intents to kill Palestinians just for the sake of it.
You also haven't proved how Israel considers them as racially inferiors.
So that is why they were tortured and abused, and they continue to be so? Because they were "suspected" of some typically non-existent crime?
No. The reason is that there are some crazy officers or soldiers which should be fired.
Do you think Israel supports those things?
It happened in the US involvement in Afghanistan as well. It's not the policy of the USA, those are just specific incidents.
Then what other possible reason is there that they cannot marry Israelis, even Arab Israelis? What other possible reason are they treated as sub-humans and even deliberately put on subsistence diets to punish them for the acts of others? Because they are all "suspected" of being "terrorists"?
You have to decide - Do you want us to control the Palestinians and to force the Israel rule on them (including civil rights), or do you want us to leave them alone and let the PA have the authority, in order to prepare them for independence?
They are not treated as sub-humans.
The barriers are for SECURITY.
Israel has to stop every Arab who drives out of the West Bank and investigate him, because we can't gamble.
For an Israeli Arab this is not sopposed to be a big problem.
Do you know how many times my father has been investigated in airports around Europe because of his Middle Eastern look? Do we complain about it? No. We understand that it has to be checked completely.
I want to understand something - Do you really think that Israel's policy in the west bank is drived by racism? You proved yourself worng by writing the two words: Arab Israelis....
Arab Israelis and Palestinian Arabs have the same ethnical origin.
So you can see that the seperation is political, not racial.
And that has also already recently proven to be false as well. Let me refresh your memory regarding both issues:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Israel
You seem to just ignore everything that doesn't agree with your own opinions in these threads.
These are really minor issues.
And some of them are even irrelevant. For example, they wrote there that about a third of the money invested in Jewish education is invested in Arab education.
But don't forget that there are more than X3 Jews than Arabs in Israel..
And about other things they mentioned ther - it's not a secret that Israel would like to have more Jews here, and to make the Jewish poeple a much bigger majority. Because it's a Jewish stae.
Usually it doesn't prevent the Arabs from expanding. But sometimes it does, and those issues are always being discussed.
There are a few things to improve, but Israel has no racial intent.
If the invader knows what the blast radius of a standoff weapon is, and they know there are innocents in that range, it is quite intentional. Or as the video put it:
In Gaza, Israel warned to people. We had to do it.
What else could we do to stop Hammas? I told you - experts expected that four more days in Gaza were needed to bring down the Hammas. It was the best choice.
Entering the city with infantries would cause Israel alot of death too. So if we were equal on our deaths numbers, would you be satisfied?
A child throwing rocks at tanks and soldiers in riot gear is not an act of terrorism.
And you continue to use the word "terrorist" instead of "resistance fighter". They have every right to defend themselves and their homes from invasion. Watch the video for details.
Didn't I answer you about the child? Didn't I told you that it's not a policy but an incident?
I don't call every protester a terrorist. But many of them are SUSPECTED and has to be investigated in order to drive in specific roads.
