Israel

[classical_hero]

Utter bunkum. Rockets from Gaza correlate directly to aggressive actions from the IDF. The majority of rocket fire in 2012 occurrered during Cast Lead, the majority of rocket fire in 2014 has come in the last two-three weeks. You're assertion could not be more obviously wrong.

Israel never fired towards Gaza when no rockets were fired. You are just again excusing Hamas tactics.

Explaining someone's actions does not imply that one condones them.

Trying to pull the wool over some ones eyes?

An otherwise civilian target does not automatically beciome a valid military target simply because a terrorist jumps aboard. The risk to civilians and infrastructure must be weighed against the military benefit. You keep refusing to respond to this point.

You have been shown so many times that you don't know what you are talking about. not worth trying to repeat what I have said and linked to in the past showing what the laws actually do mean and not your interpretation. The simple fact of the matter is that Hamas violates buildings that have protected status, that by their use they lose it and put civilians at risk.

IDf operations clearly fail to adequately weigh the risks to civilians, hence the disgusting civilian death toll.

You're just repeating Hamas speak. The civilians dying are not close to being wrong, since the targets are Hamas and terrorist groups who hide behind such civilians. The fact you refuse to recognise that it is Hamas' fault for the deaths again shows your true colour since you are supporting Hamas' tactics in that either Israel fire up militant and cause civilian deaths, or don't cause civilian deaths and don't fire on Hamas. I even showed you that a ground invasion will cause more deaths and yet you said it should be done, but those civilian in the ground invasion are because Hamas fires from homes and other places. The proof is irrefutable and yet you seem to ignore the evidence. I have posted numerous articles and videos showing what Hamas does and you only Criticise Israel for responding, when all the blame goes on Hamas.

Again: Bombing the rockets is not necessary. They represent very little danger, while bombing them is killing hundreds of civilians.

Again you have no idea what life is like to live under constant threat of attack. But according to you if you try to attack and you fail it is acceptable. So if I tried to murder someone but fail, does that mean I am off Scott free? No it doesn't because the police can arrest me for attempted murder, even though my attacks were pointless and failed. If I were to use your reasoning I should not be charged, but we do know that attempted murder is a crime.

I am presently incarcerated, imprisoned for a crime I did not even commit. "Attempted murder," now honestly, did they ever give anyone a Nobel prize for "attempted chemistry?"

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/07/21/life-if-you-can-call-it-that-under-israels-iron-dome/
Must be fun living under the Iron Dome and so peaceful.

 

[QuoVadisNation]

How many Palestinian lives are worth a single Israeli's?

So far.... three Israeli teenagers are worth 200 arrests and a war?


To go back to the main topic however. Israel isn't right and nor is Palestine. Both countries are doing and have been doing awful things and only complain about the other. Watching people take sides like this is depressing as well. I'd like to see an Pro-Israeli wonder why the Palestinians are fighting and a Pro-Palestinian wonder why the Israelis are fighting. But that doesn't fit in their own narrow schema. For those two reasons, they deserve each other and nobody else.

 

[useless]

No but you see Quo that means you're a Hamas sympathizer because reasons

 

[QuoVadisNation]

Ha! Pretty much for some.

 

[kochman]

So far.... three Israeli teenagers are worth 200 arrests and a war?

How many teenagers should Israel be willing to sacrifice before acting in such a way?

 

[Mouthwash]

How many Palestinian lives are worth a single Israeli's?

One.

 

[useless]

So why the disproportionate retribution towards the Palestinians? Why are so many civilians and children? They can't ALL be Hamas "shields".

How many teenagers should Israel be willing to sacrifice before acting in such a way?

And how many Palestinians must die until Israel decides it's time to stop?

 

[kochman]

So why the disproportionate retribution towards the Palestinians? Why are so many civilians and children? They can't ALL be Hamas "shields".



And how many Palestinians must die until Israel decides it's time to stop?

Here's this ridiculous idea of fighting at a 1:1 basis again...
Clearly, when you fight, the idea is to crush the enemy so you don't have to fight him again.

 

[useless]

And if that "enemy" includes women and children and innocent men, should they die to fulfill Israel's collective retribution against the Palestinians?

 

[kochman]

And if that "enemy" includes women and children and innocent men, should they die to fulfill Israel's collective retribution against the Palestinians?

I don't think you have a very good grasp of what being at war means.
Both Israel and the Palestinians do.

 

[Mouthwash]

So why the disproportionate retribution towards the Palestinians? Why are so many civilians and children? They can't ALL be Hamas "shields."

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/179601/looking-beyond-the-numbers-in-gaza

 

[tokala]

To go back to the main topic however. Israel isn't right and nor is Palestine. Both countries are doing and have been doing awful things and only complain about the other. Watching people take sides like this is depressing as well. I'd like to see an Pro-Israeli wonder why the Palestinians are fighting and a Pro-Palestinian wonder why the Israelis are fighting. But that doesn't fit in their own narrow schema. For those two reasons, they deserve each other and nobody else.

Two somehow complementary, very well written articles that might be helpful in that effort:
http://972mag.com/why-do-palestinia...t-hamas-despite-such-devastating-loses/94080/
http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-tragic-self-delusion-behind-the-hamas-war/

 

[classical_hero]

The hospital in question. Small arms fire and the fact that when the hospital is destroyed there are secondary explosions shows that there were weapons being stored either in or around the hospital, meaning that it's protected status was violated by Hamas and other. I wonder how much more evidence is need to show that civilian lives are put at risk by the tactics of Hamas and other terror organisation?

Link to video.

 

[JollyRoger]

I wonder how much more evidence is needed to show that Israel is targeting civilians.

 

[Tee Kay]

One.

I guess it's fair then if a few hundred Israeli civilians are accidentally killed in a retaliatory Palestinian attack on, say, the Knesset.

 

[Mouthwash]

I guess it's fair then if a few hundred Israeli civilians are accidentally killed in a retaliatory Palestinian attack on, say, the Knesset.

I'm not sure I follow your analogy.

 

[Paul in Saudi]

Did you see the graphic in the Washington Post? I would suppose it should be accurate as of about 22 July.

 

[Mouthwash]

Did you see the graphic in the Washington Post? I would suppose it should be accurate as of about 22 July.

Would it clarify things if I put up a comparison chart of all Israelis they are trying to kill?

 

[ParkCungHee]

About as much as including how many Israelis Thanos is trying to kill.

 

[JollyRoger]

How many Israelis were those dead children trying to kill?