ITNES I - An Epoch of Change

[das]

How long does the mini update last year-wise?

As usual or until the end of the war...

Only military orders, or full orders?

Probably only military.

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By the way, Gaul would like to know if the previous Nortuguese peace proposal is still in place.

 

[Oruc]

Did That treaty include anything about the Franks? because they need to be independent now.

 

[Luckymoose]

Well I am sending regular orders. So you will take them.

edit: ORDERS SENT!

 

[erez87]

Yeah I'm knowing to offer an harsher peace with every passing turn...

Peace right now stands with:
1) Gaul keeps on it's core areas. No more claims to Iberia or anything other than Gaul.
*2) Rome free the areas they took from Carthage in the war. That city Tossi once had there is declared free. Rome also pays 2 economic points to every Dawn state.
3) Portugal will be under Nortugal rule. Rest of Iberia will become 3 Punic states of north, center and south that will be vassals to Nortugal for the next 50 years. Than they will be granted full freedom.
4) The Solist alliance will cease to exist.
5) All Solist nations still existing must declare freedom of religion and cancel the Inquisition.
6) Gaul must give the Franks lands to create the Frankreich, the kingdom of the Franks. (I think Netherlands and Alsace Lurrain would be enough).
7) The coasts of Normandy will become a Nordike vassal called Normandy.
8) Northern Alba and Iceni east coast will be under Nordike rule.
9) Western Alba and the rest of Iceni will be under Nortugal rule.
10) Gaul will pay 2 economic points to all it's enemies (Dawn states, Nortugal and Nordike) and will give economy to Frankreich as needed to help them start their own nation.
*11) Rome will only be allowed 15 ships and Gaul will be allowed only 15 ships. Both only in the Mediterranean. Gaul will only be allowed 30 thousands troops and 50 thousands in case of war. Same to Rome.
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12) If Gaul agrees but Rome doesn't Than Gaul must give Right of Passage to Nortugal and it's allies to continue their war on Rome.



I believe thats all, I ask my allies to tell me what they think.

 

[Luckymoose]

Yeah I'm knowing to offer an harsher peace with every passing turn...

Peace right now stands with:
1) Gaul keeps on it's core areas. No more claims to Iberia or anything other than Gaul.
*2) Rome free the areas they took from Carthage in the war. That city Tossi once had there is declared free. Rome also pays 2 economic points to every Dawn state.
3) Portugal will be under Nortugal rule. Rest of Iberia will become 3 Punic states of north, center and south that will be vassals to Nortugal for the next 50 years. Than they will be granted full freedom.
4) The Solist alliance will cease to exist.
5) All Solist nations still existing must declare freedom of religion and cancel the Inquisition.
6) Gaul must give the Franks lands to create the Frankreich, the kingdom of the Franks. (I think Netherlands and Alsace Lurrain would be enough).
7) The coasts of Normandy will become a Nordike vassal called Normandy.
8) Northern Alba and Iceni east coast will be under Nordike rule.
9) Western Alba and the rest of Iceni will be under Nortugal rule.
10) Gaul will pay 2 economic points to all it's enemies (Dawn states, Nortugal and Nordike) and will give economy to Frankreich as needed to help them start their own nation.
*11) Rome will only be allowed 15 ships and Gaul will be allowed only 15 ships. Both only in the Mediterranean. Gaul will only be allowed 30 thousands troops and 50 thousands in case of war. Same to Rome.
*:
12) If Gaul agrees but Rome doesn't Than Gaul must give Right of Passage to Nortugal and it's allies to continue their war on Rome.



I believe thats all, I ask my allies to tell me what they think.

Harsh peace. But it is what they deserve.

 

[Wubba360]

can people answer my diplo?

 

[Disenfrancised]

Normandy doesn't exist here Erez .

 

[erez87]

The area does... time to name it in a Norse name

 

[MjM]

Rome will never agree to any proposal near that, and we will fight on to the death alone if we have to, just to prevent that. We also ask our Gaelic brothers, if they do succumb to a horrible peace, never to sign a right of passage with the evil Nortugese.

OOC: Thy why did you have to leave?

 

[Oruc]

I dont think we should be so harsh on Rome, it is a pawn of Gaul nothing more and all our peoples are tiring of this war.
I believe they should free Didionia (who can join one of the new Punic states) and send 1 ep to each Dawn state.

Rome/Cimberland is weak and now with its greatest supporter being torn down it will remain so.

 

[erez87]

Don't be so sure, I don't want some other country to earn whats let of them in a war.... (You know who... so do they...)

But I guess what you say it's better, if they agree.

 

[das]

From: Gaul
To: Nortugal

Never mind then.

 

[Swissempire]

Yeah I'm knowing to offer an harsher peace with every passing turn...

Peace right now stands with:
1) Gaul keeps on it's core areas. No more claims to Iberia or anything other than Gaul.
*2) Rome free the areas they took from Carthage in the war. That city Tossi once had there is declared free. Rome also pays 2 economic points to every Dawn state.
3) Portugal will be under Nortugal rule. Rest of Iberia will become 3 Punic states of north, center and south that will be vassals to Nortugal for the next 50 years. Than they will be granted full freedom.
4) The Solist alliance will cease to exist.
5) All Solist nations still existing must declare freedom of religion and cancel the Inquisition.
6) Gaul must give the Franks lands to create the Frankreich, the kingdom of the Franks. (I think Netherlands and Alsace Lurrain would be enough).
7) The coasts of Normandy will become a Nordike vassal called Normandy.
8) Northern Alba and Iceni east coast will be under Nordike rule.
9) Western Alba and the rest of Iceni will be under Nortugal rule.
10) Gaul will pay 2 economic points to all it's enemies (Dawn states, Nortugal and Nordike) and will give economy to Frankreich as needed to help them start their own nation.
*11) Rome will only be allowed 15 ships and Gaul will be allowed only 15 ships. Both only in the Mediterranean. Gaul will only be allowed 30 thousands troops and 50 thousands in case of war. Same to Rome.
*:
12) If Gaul agrees but Rome doesn't Than Gaul must give Right of Passage to Nortugal and it's allies to continue their war on Rome.



I believe thats all, I ask my allies to tell me what they think.

Adena requests that a land concession(perhaps Cymru or an area of Punic Iberia) be granted to them. No other payment would be required, but for a peace we would like some land in OTL Europe.

 

[MjM]

Adena requests that a land concession(perhaps Cymru or an area of Punic Iberia) be granted to them. No other payment would be required, but for a peace we would like some land in OTL Europe.

Both Gaul and Rome have said no, so what's the point of adding things to a defunct treaty?

 

[Swissempire]

Both Gaul and Rome have said no, so what's the point of adding things to a defunct treaty?

Just putting it out there for after we knock your collective Solist socks off

 

[Oruc]

what type of orders am I supposed to send for these mini-updates? I dont understand why they dont surrender.

 

[Disenfrancised]

what type of orders am I supposed to send for these mini-updates? I dont understand why they dont surrender.

Because they know what that did for the Punic Empire .

 

[erez87]

But they are the ones who did it to the Punics, not us...

BTW das maybe only the first mini should be with economic orders? After all it was my economy that won me the war... So loosing that will kind of loose me the war...

 

[MjM]

When are theese orders due? And I would also like to know the style to do them..

 

[silver 2039]

Just write military orders on how to fight Nortgul, and Nordrike. Thats all.