It's About to Get Hot at the Border

[Timsup2nothin]

It's almost like whether or not a refugee argues successfully for their legal status has very little to do with the actual merits of their case....hmmmmmm

Almost?

Oh.

I get it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Any detention center that can be found or created. We made holding camps for millions of POWs in WW2 and should be able to do the same again. As a bonus any criminality or lawlessness in the detention centers should be automatic grounds for rejection and deportation.

Any detention center that can be found would be a handy thing for managing actual criminals, so please let us know if your proctologist finds this mythical item.

As to building and staffing detention centers to hold people who might commit a misdemeanor if they aren't handled with extreme measures at great expense...maybe he can find your head as well.

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[JollyRoger]

I don't think the caravan has much to fear from the 101st Chairborne

 

[Gori the Grey]

Semper Fry.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

A Fox News talking head claimed the caravan was going to bring small pox into the US.

 

[Commodore]

American accidentally crosses into Mexico and is shot and killed - yay
American shoots foreign trespasser - boo

While I wouldn't say "yay" to anyone in this scenario getting killed, I will say I definitely won't feel any sympathy for any militia member that gets killed in this because if they do get killed it's likely because they did something to provoke a hostile response from either American or Mexican law enforcement.

 

[JollyRoger]

I think the worst thing that will happen to one of these militia men is they will suffer some mild injury or illness that will get covered by Medicare.

 

[Narz]

It's almost like whether or not a refugee argues successfully for their legal status has very little to do with the actual merits of their case....hmmmmmm

That's the way of the legal system, money buys innocence.

 

[Narz]

then why not shoot everyone who wants immigration laws?

Those yahoos are taking matters into their own hands. They're not about "law and order" they just want an excuse to kill. You think these guys are gonna be doing background checks before they open fire?

 

[Narz]

A Fox News talking head claimed the caravan was going to bring small pox into the US.

Considering alot of Fox News watches are anti-vaxxers he might be right.

 

[Bamspeedy]

(snip).

Sorry, on phone so can't readily quote each part of your post like I want to.

I asked some questions, and those were sincere. If the immigrants aren't understanding the process and requirements, then we need to focus on that. If the immigrants are just ignoring the requirements after entering then perhaps the initial screening process should be harder before being allowed in.

I'm all for simplifying the immigration process. But as it stands now, other immigration processes take months or longer, and I would like to believe it's because they are doing a more thorough background check than running the name through a terrorist watch list and then letting the application sit on their desk for a year. And immigrants going through a different process should be finalized in an hour, a day? Why? Because they can reach the border by land instead of plane?

After my wife had an interview in her country, filled out a bunch of forms, did a health screening (with a chest xray), fingerprinted and photographed before entering the country. came to the US and did all that over again. Then two years later did it all again (without the interview). Citizenship was another interview and fingerprinting. While the interviewer with his Somali accent might have been beneficial for Somali immigants, for her it was a disadvantage.

No, I don't want them in a detention center for months. I'm fine with after the initial screening they are temporarily allowed in until a final decision is made. I can imagine one reason for the second round of paperwork is to get addresses of where they are now living in the US. That wouldn't often be known the minute they cross the border. That can be a reason for immigrants not knowing of their pending hearings because immigration doesn't have the updated address.

Yes, 93% passed the first test. That's 93% of those who actually tried. The 20% of the caravan that tried to cross illegally made no attempt to respect the process.

Is the process a burden? There is no fee for the asylum (unlike other immigration processes), so time is the only consraint beyond paying for postage and printing out the forms (public library). I did the entire immigration process without a lawyer, and I wouldn't recommend one unless you can easily afford it or need to appeal. Sure, some may need help with language/translating, so some room for improvement can be done in that area.

Edit: manpower needs to be increased across the board, faster approval processes and more time and care on deportations so people aren't spending months waiting or the cases are only given 5 minutes of court time because there is a backlog. Waiting time is fine if it's spent investigating and preparing the paperwork and case, but it's not cool when it's waiting just because there is a long line of other cases.

 

[sophie]

That's the way of the legal system, money buys innocence.

Almost?

Oh.

I get it.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Trump gave an interview last night with Axios where he said he is going to end birthright citizenship by executive order.

 

[Hrothbern]

Good timing for the election.

There are BTW only 30 or so countries in the world that have (close to) unlimited birthright citizenship (birthes from foreign diplomats etc often excluded).
Many countries have as condition that one of the parents has citizenship, and/or that the parents live longer legally than a certain amount of years in the country.

 

[Bamspeedy]

I knew there was other countries with birthright citizenship (most of the western hemisphere). He worded it as 'born in the country and is automatically a US citizen', in which case it's true, only one country in the world would qualify for automatically being a US citizen.....
I'm sure what he meant was 'citizen of THAT country ' instead of 'US citizen', in which case he would be wrong.

Or he meant this is the only country where the practice of trying to have the birth happen while visiting or illegally entering the country happens with regularity (at least that is the perception, feel free to dig up stats that show otherwise, as i haven't looked into it).

 

[metalhead]

Something like 7% of births in the U.S. are to undocumented immigrants.

Seeing as how we are already under replacement fertility rate, currently at 1.8 births per woman, I think we ought to encourage citizen births any way possible, in addition to paths to permanent residency and citizenship for adults who want to live, work, and raise families here.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I mean, a 10% drop in population per generation wouldn't exactly be disastrous.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Meh... then you guys across the pond should get on that ASAP. Make Earth Great Again!

Meanwhile... I think us Muricans should stick with the population increase approach... works well in Civ when you're going for the Domination Victory... which we are

 

[El_Machinae]

Trump gave an interview last night with Axios where he said he is going to end birthright citizenship by executive order.

The Right want a King. In any same world, we would get a Congress to make any such amendment

 

[sophie]

It will certainly be a test of just how servile this new Supreme Court is. This is pretty open-and-shut unconstitutional:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.