Jeremy Corbyn and Anti-Semitism (from UK Politics)

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The man himself speaks on the issue:

He sure does.

Without any prompting about possible Israeli involvement or conspiracy theories, Corbyn said that Israel would have an interest in increased violence in the Sinai and the destabilization of the region.

“I’m very concerned about it [the violence], and you have to look at the big picture. In whose interests is it to destabilize the new government in Egypt; in whose interests is it to kill Egyptians other than Israel, concerned about the growing closeness of relationship between Palestine and the new Egyptian government,” Corbyn opined, referencing the new Muslim Brotherhood-led government in Egypt at the time.

“It seems a bit unlikely that that would happen during Ramadan – to put it mildly – and I suspect the hand of Israel in this whole process of destabilization,” said the Labour leader-to-be.
https://www.google.fr/amp/s/m.jpost...racy-theory-against-Israel-in-2012-563714/amp

The Great Leader Corbyn seed through the lies of the Zionists press. The Jews are behind every killing, the Jews are trying to destabilize the world! He doesn't need any evidence to accuse them, he just knows!

And clearly it's a great idea to trust the future of the UK to a man with such great judgment. Judgment which he also demonstrates in his continued support for Nicolas Maduro, for example.
 
So, once again, we segue from anti-Semitism to criticism of Israel. Those two are not inextricably linked.
 
So, once again, we segue from anti-Semitism to criticism of Israel. Those two are not inextricably linked.
Criticism of Israel? Sure.

Wild conspiracy theories, without any hint of evidence, that Israel is killing people of a nominal ally to cause chaos? Yeah, that's called antisemitism buddy. If you can't see it, open your eyes. There was no criticism against Israel there. There were made up accusations, without any basis on reality, based only on Corbyn's irrational hatred of Israel (and Jews).

Corbyn is a raving anti-semite, and also an imbecile.
 
Anyone can make up wild theories without necessarily having other theories in mind. II I ragged on Israel without proof, that wouldn't make me anti-Semitic in the slightest. I might be anti-Semitic, but you have no way of knowing that for certain, simply because I was pushing anti-Israeli rubbish.
 
Anyone can make up wild theories without necessarily having other theories in mind. II I ragged on Israel without proof, that wouldn't make me anti-Semitic in the slightest. I might be anti-Semitic, but you have no way of knowing that for certain, simply because I was pushing anti-Israeli rubbish.
With Corbyn I know for sure. It's ridiculous conspiracy theories about Israel murdering people from allied states, membership in several closed groups for many years where anti-semitic rhetoric was the norm, friendship with Hamas and Hezbollah, support of a mural pretty much depicting the Learned Elders of Zion... It adds up.

Frankly, at this point it takes bad faith to deny that Corbyn is an anti-semite. I mean, there is far more evidence that Corbyn is an anti-semite than that Trump is a racist against blacks and Hispanics, for example.
 
How is being friendly with Hamas anti-Semitic? Corbyn might well have anti-Semitic views, but this continued insistence on conflating criticism of Israel or adoption of anti-Israeli policies with anti-Semitism does you no credit (to put it mildly).
 
How is being friendly with Hamas anti-Semitic? Corbyn might well have anti-Semitic views, but this continued insistence on conflating criticism of Israel or adoption of anti-Israeli policies with anti-Semitism does you no credit (to put it mildly).
Are you for real? Hamas is a deeply anti-semitic organization. Being friends with them at the very leat raises an enormous red flag. Or can you be friends with the NSDAP without looking like an anti-semite?

And again, stop distorting the facts (which does you no favors, to put it very very very mildly considering the subject at hand). What I posted was not Corby criticizing some Israeli policy. It was an all-out, fabricated conspiracy theory. The kind of stuff you'd expect on Stormfront or Islamist websites. To call that "criticism of Israel" is so dishonest that it raises a red flag, honestly.
 
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Feel free to point out any 'facts' I have distorted.
 
Feel free to point out any 'facts' I have distorted.
Calling a made up conspiracy theory accusing Israelis of murdering allies, with absolutely no evidence to back it up, not even a hint of evidence, "criticism of Israel". Surely this sort of wild, nazi-esque conspiracy theory is not the same as criticizing say the Israeli settlement policy.

You therefore distorted the reason why I said it is yet more evidence that Corbyn is an anti-semite.

I am not conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism. I am conflating making up wild anti-Israel conspiracy theories, calling radical anti-semitic terrorist groups "friends", being a member for many years of groups where antisemitism was the norm, and defending anti-semitic "art" with antisemitism.

I mean, Obama was critical of Israeli settlement policy, he had a pretty bad relationship with Netanyahu, but you don't see me even hinting he is an antisemite, because obviously one can be critical of Israeli policy without being one. This is not at all the reason why me, and a whole lot of people (including probably the majority of Jews anywhere) think Corbyn is an anti-semite.

You're the one conflating things. You're conflating Corbyn's wild, made up anti-semitic conspiracy theory with legitimate criticism of Israel.
 
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luiz is right - and the Labour anti-Semitic row goes on and on and on and Corbyn does little or nothing about it.
It seems senior Labour MP Margaret Hodge was right in calling Corbyn “a racist and anti-semite” the other week.
Why does he not sort the problem out? Perhaps he thinks there are more votes to be had from muslims. Well, maybe, but it appears to boil down to his refusal to accept the widely used definition/examples of anti-Semitism. And the reason is that if they did adopt these definitions, Corbyn would be as guilty as hell.

Take this from this week’s Telegraph:

The answer is now clear: Jeremy Corbyn, whose spokesman last week insisted he was “militantly opposed to anti-Semitism”, hosted an event in parliament which would surely mean he would fall foul of the IHRA definition. Entitled “The misuse of the Holocaust for political purposes”, the event was part of a UK tour called “Never again for anyone – Auschwitz to Gaza”.

It was held, provocatively, on Holocaust Memorial Day, the most solemn of occasions commemorating the murder of six million Jews. The IHRA definition is clear: drawing comparisons between Nazi Germany and Israel is anti-Semitic. If Labour were to accept that definition in full, its own leader would be classed as an anti-Semite and under investigation.


OK this was in 2010 – but can he really claim (as leader of the opposition and potential PM) – I used to be “a racist and anti-Semite” but no longer am?

But the killer quote from the Telegraph (my emboldening) that nails what a racist institution the Labour party has become under Corbyn is this:

Corbyn’s own politics and views, his affiliations and dodgy history of platform-sharing and his planet-sized blindspot on anti-Semitism are being accommodated to such an absurd extent that Labour, a party with a great history of anti-racism, is the only political organisation in Europe, bar Hungary’s far-right Fidesz party, that refuses to adopt the full definition of anti-Semitism.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...candal-has-finished-labour-moderate-mps-must/


You can hear it now – A Tory or a Ukipper is accused of islamaphobia (say) and the response: “I’ll take no sermon from the ‘racist, anti-semitic’ leader of the opposition/PM (!). End of conversation.

There are apparently hundreds of Labour officials under investigation for anti-Semitic remarks.

Just last week, yet another Labour elected official was suspended for an anti-Semitic social media post claiming that Jews are “parasites” who “drink blood,” “should be gassed” and that “Hitler would have a solution to the Israel problem.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-councillor-suspended-over-execute-12990670

This is the nasty, nasty hard left takeover of the Labour party in full swing.

“For the many, not the Few” – the Labour mantra really has morphed into
“For the many, not the Jew”
 
The far-right are marching through the streets chanting "Jews will not replace us", but the real threat to Western Jews is an aging pacifist.

That the former are stooges for the rich, while the latter talks about things like raising taxes and nationalising railways, is obviously a total coincidence.
 
The far-right are marching through the streets chanting "Jews will not replace us", but the real threat to Western Jews is an aging pacifist.

That the former are stooges for the rich, while the latter talks about things like raising taxes and nationalising railways, is obviously a total coincidence.
A pacifist when it comes to the West (or the Jews) being able to defend itself. A hawk when it comes to terrorists, particularly of the anti-semitic kind, being able to continue to wage war against the West that this pacifist hates so much. Or when a left-wing Latin American dictator murders his own people by the scores.

BTW, no comments on the anti-semitic conspiracy theory of your beloved pacifist?
 
You're the one conflating things. You're conflating Corbyn's wild, made up anti-semitic conspiracy theory with legitimate criticism of Israel.

I absolutely did not do that. Perhaps your hatred of Corbyn is making you conflate things in your mind.
 
A pacifist when it comes to the West (or the Jews) being able to defend itself. A hawk when it comes to terrorists, particularly of the anti-semitic kind, being able to continue to wage war against the West that this pacifist hates so much. Or when a left-wing Latin American dictator murders his own people by the scores.

BTW, no comments on the anti-semitic conspiracy theory of your beloved pacifist?

Would you really argue that Corbyn is less of a pacifist than the other political figures, in Britain or elsewhere in Europe or the US? Cause it does not seem based on reason to claim so, no?
If anything, Corbyn comes across as having humanist values, instead of the usual show/lifestyle politicians.

By contrast, May/Bojo are the typical tory sleaze. And Blair did help kill scores of people in the middle east, as well as quite a few british citizens he sent to their death there. Corbyn's pacifism may be a good idea.
 
I absolutely did not do that. Perhaps your hatred of Corbyn is making you conflate things in your mind.
Nope. You accused me of conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism. But there was no criticism of Israel in the article I posted, just an anti-semitic conspiracy theory. You therefore conflated the two, QED.
 
Would you really argue that Corbyn is less of a pacifist than the other political figures, in Britain or elsewhere in Europe or the US? Cause it does not seem based on reason to claim so, no?
If anything, Corbyn comes across as having humanist values, instead of the usual show/lifestyle politicians.

By contrast, May/Bojo are the typical tory sleaze. And Blair did help kill scores of people in the middle east, as well as quite a few british citizens he sent to their death there. Corbyn's pacifism may be a good idea.
Weird type of pacifism that call Hamas and Hezbollah friends and backs murderous dictators as long they wave a red flag.

Looks like standard far-left scum to me, with the added vice of extreme antisemitism.
 
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Weird type of pacifism that call Hamas and Hezbollah as friends and backs murderous dictators.

Looks like standard far-left scum to me, with the added vice of extreme antisemitism.

Don't "standard far left scum" have to actually have caused people's deaths?
I mean surely they aren't scum just by virtue of being left/far left?

Anyway, Corbyn is something like a polite grandpa; hardly a dictator, let alone dangerous.
 
Nope. You accused me of conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism. But there was no criticism of Israel in the article I posted, just an anti-semitic conspiracy theory. You therefore conflated the two, QED.

It didn't need to be in the article. For you, if it's Corbyn, you're sure.
 
Don't "standard far left scum" have to actually have caused people's deaths?
I mean surely they aren't scum just by virtue of being left/far left?

Anyway, Corbyn is something like a polite grandpa; hardly a dictator, let alone dangerous.
His friends have caused many deaths, so he is scum for propping them up. Polite granpas don't invent and spread anti-semitic conspiracy theories. They don't call a murderous dictator to congratulate him when he "wins" sham elections.

Corbyn is like a racist, imbecile grandpa.

It didn't need to be in the article. For you, if it's Corbyn, you're sure.
So you were just trolling then.

Because my point was not about criticism of Israel, it was about Corbyn inventing and spreading anti-semitic conspiracy theories, like some Nazi or Islamist loon. Nowhere in my post was I suggesting that he is anti-semitic due to criticism of Israel, because there was no criticism of Israel there, just anti-semitic drivel.

So I've demonstrated that you are conflating anti-semitic conspiracy theories with legitimate criticism of Israel. Are you a Corbyn voter by any chance?
 
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