TheMeInTeam
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Any utility function is a slave to our initial definition of well being.
You have that back to front.
You can't just assume utilitarianism when we are discussing the basis for morality, okay. If you define well being a certain way, sure, you can use evidence to construct a utility function in theory. What the evidence cannot do, is tell you how you ought to define well-being
Making up a magic source of "ought" does not generate morality, or even serpent flies.
why we should care about someone else's well being at all, or even more difficult, why we should care about everyone's well being equally to our own.
Evidence dictates an advantage to groups of people who care about at least some others' well-being. You get more stuff, live longer on average, and don't get killed as easily yourself.
I see no reason to lend credence to "we should care about everyone's well being equally to our own". Almost nobody acts on that premise, and evidence does not support its utility. You're pulling an extra assertion out of nowhere without support.
There might be useful reasons, from the evolutionary perspective, for committing all types of atrocities, murders, and rapes.
Actually these things tend to work pretty poorly as people doing them get shunned. They persist to a degree, so the proposition that there are reasons for it likely has some credence, but they are rare and widely disliked for a reason also.
Why should I care about that when thinking about morality?
Good question. Why should you care about *anything* when thinking about morality? Are we still going to go with gravity magic god hands?
Who dominated history is surely not a useful metric for morality. I find it very shocking that this idea is even brought up.
On the contrary, success of the species is a pretty important consideration. I "find it shocking" that you consider this not to be useful. Quick, give me the moral framework of an average pre-1000 AD human living in the area of modern day Brazil.
You can't. You don't know it. Whatever their moral considerations were, it's lost to us now, as a species. Yours might be 1000 years from now also, depending on which societal norms ultimately dominate.
It's not the only metric, but to say it isn't useful is nonsense. You need to exist to have a moral framework.