Jordan Peterson

[cardgame]

It is a shame that Obama didn't do anything about the drug war. But he really only had the two years since the party of no took over in 2010 and healthcare is very important too. Even if he hadn't focused on healthcare, I don't think there was nearly enough political capital to do anything more aggressive than marijuana decriminalization.

By your own logic, not only are all the protesters neo-Nazis, the counter protesters are neo-Nazis. If Trump identified the neo-Nazis as good people, then who are the good people on the other side? Neo-Nazis.

 

[Berzerker]

it'll require nuance

 

[cardgame]

But you don't seem to understand nuance

 

[Farm Boy]

Nuance is sometimes nuance, and ''nuance'' is sometimes rationalization, otherwise known as lies. Teasing out the difference is hard. The smarter people seem, the more they're prone to be rationalizing. Anytime complexity doesn't seem to be explaining something relatively straightforward once grasped, it's more prone to be rationalization.

 

[Berzerker]

But you don't seem to understand nuance

Then I guess your rebuttal will go over my head... Lets find out, post one.

I'd like to know how the good people can be neo-Nazis if they're on both sides.

Now you've caught on.

This is how it works: I criticize the Republicans and nobody here objects and thats it. I criticize the Democrats and people object and respond with insults and accusations. Please explain how Trump could have been calling neo-Nazis good people when he said there were good people on both sides. I'm fascinated by this 'nuance' that will help me understand that logic.

 

[cardgame]

On the off chance that you're genuinely confused: the neo-nazis were only on one side. Not both. Now to say that there were good people on both sides is inclusive of neo nazis in the 'good people' categorization.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

On the off chance that you're genuinely confused: the neo-nazis were only on one side. Not both. Now to say that there were good people on both sides is inclusive of neo nazis in the 'good people' categorization.

Thanks. I was trying to decide whether there was any point in trying to point out the blatantly obvious to @Berzerker. The only reason I could think of was the seemingly slim possibility that some lurker might actually be as oblivious about the situation as Berzerker pretends to be. You covered it for any such that may look in, so I don't need to.

Back to you Berzerker. Time to pretend that this completely obvious simple fact passed over your head unnoticed and see if you can frustrate someone into saying something appropriately rude that you can report them for.

 

[Berzerker]

On the off chance that you're genuinely confused: the neo-nazis were only on one side. Not both. Now to say that there were good people on both sides is inclusive of neo nazis in the 'good people' categorization.

So 'good people' doesn't mean neo-Nazis, it just includes them. Why? Does good people include the driver who ran over people? Is he one of the good people? Why aren't you guys accusing Trump of calling murderers good people? How did 'there were good people on both sides' become 'everyone there was good'? That seems to be the 'nuanced' assumption...

So Trump didn't actually say neo-Nazis were good people, he said there were good people on both sides and critics decided to include neo-Nazis in his category of good people. Does that mean scumbags that show up at protests are good people too or only when Trump says there were good people at the protest?

I wonder how Ivanka & Jared reacted to the Donald praising neo-Nazis. I doubt they include the neo-Nazis among the good people. Maybe the people including the neo-Nazis among the good people are you guys. Why are you calling neo-Nazis good people?

Back to you Berzerker. Time to pretend that this completely obvious simple fact passed over your head unnoticed and see if you can frustrate someone into saying something appropriately rude that you can report them for.

Have any mods showed up to give you a time out? I dont report people and I cant cure your rudeness, but if I did report people I already would have. Now, can we get back to your party's racist policies against black people?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So 'good people' doesn't mean neo-Nazis, it just includes them. Why? Does good people include the driver who ran over people? Is he one of the good people? Why aren't you guys accusing Trump of calling murderers good people? How did 'there were good people on both sides' become 'everyone there was good'? That seems to be the 'nuanced' assumption...

So Trump didn't actually say neo-Nazis were good people, he said there were good people on both sides and critics decided to include neo-Nazis in his category of good people. Does that mean scumbags that show up at protests are good people too or only when Trump says there were good people at the protest?

I wonder how Ivanka & Jared reacted to the Donald praising neo-Nazis. I doubt they include the neo-Nazis among the good people. Maybe the people including the neo-Nazis among the good people are you guys. Why are you calling neo-Nazis good people?

Make a statement.

 

[Berzerker]

Democrats have ruined the lives of millions of black people with their drug war

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Make a statement that isn't a repetition of a bald faced lie that you have already been called on repeatedly, because if all you've got is the same old bald faced lie you should just admit you have nothing to say.

 

[Sommerswerd]

This is how it works: I criticize the Republicans and nobody here objects and thats it. I criticize the Democrats and people object and respond with insults and accusations.

Assuming that's true for sake of discussion. The reason might be, for example, that when you criticize people that deserve criticism for reasons that they deserve criticism on, that people tend to agree with you and therefore they don't object. On the other hand, when you're full of dogsqueeze, you get pushback. In other words, when you're right, no one objects, when you're wrong, people object. Does that make sense? Your problem seems to be that you just can't perceive, or admit when youre wrong.

Also, when the people who support the ones you are criticizing see you as an ideological ally, they are less likely to attack you for criticizing their peeps, because they know that in the grand scheme of things, you're on their side. Whereas the folks on the other side have no such perception of you, and therefore will not hesitate to debate you when you attack their side. In other words, your posting history has established you as a conservative. So the conservatives and Republican-voters and Trump-apologists here see you as an ally, and will be reluctant to fight you when you criticize Republicans because they know that generally, you're going to be on their side. And liberals certainly aren't going to complain when you criticize Republicans. That's why when you "criticize the Republicans nobody here objects and thats it." Do you understand?

 

[Hygro]

Democrats have ruined the lives of millions of black people with their drug war

Yes.

So have Republicans. But I'm a Democrat so my power is with Democrats. Let's get real real about this and take responsibility. Let's own it. If we own it, we can change it.

Let's also remember that Democrats win majorities when we compromise our ranks, ideologically, and let in people who think the Republcans are irresponsible but still share some of their values on important issues (it runs the gamut, usually some regionally preferred thing like abortion or logging rights, guns etc).

So we should fix house. Not clean house, because as Democrats we need the numbers and we're about including everyone. It's in the name, Democratic Party. Fix house.

 

[Arakhor]

Moderator Action: I think that's quite enough of that. Closed for review.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Arakhor]

Moderator Action: I have no idea what Trump, Obama, Clinton or any of the other usual political sparring matches have to do with a thread about a Canadian academic, but given that any number of other threads exist for those topics, I would hope that everyone can restrain themselves to only discussing the thread topic (and closely related topics). If after over 1100 posts that's no longer possible, then this thread will have served its purpose and can be left to its eternal rest.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Lexicus]

A review comment for this page

 

[Lemon Merchant]

What the heck was that?

 

[Lexicus]

What the heck was that?

Some advanced, like, tier 2 memeing about Jordan Peterson.

 

[Миханя]

Staying on topic: as I was researching more about Jordan Peterson, I came across this video. What struck me is the revelation that Jordan Peterson combines some basic truths with lies and misrepresentations, which is basically what most Russian politicians do and what Russia state propaganda does, as well. I guess, Jordan Peterson could make a great politician in Russia.

I don't get some of the Americanisms and other weird stuff, but I think this girl did an excellent job at explaining Jordan Peterson and the Western philosophy (which I am more familiar with than with Jordan Peterson).

 

[Mouthwash]

I skipped randomly to 9:30...