[LP] Leader Pass: Great Builders - 3/14 Developer Livestream Discussion w/ Potato McWhiskey

[Kmart_Elvis]

Got nothing to do with great works of writing even though it was Sejong's most famous thing.

I really think they should have gave Sundiata's ability to Sejong: libraries hold 2 works of Great Writing. It would have not only been more historical and flavorful, but also more fun than what we got instead.

 

[queenpea]

Wonders provide adjacency bonuses to all districts, I think +2? All wonders, including ones which are not finished.

I'm very confused by the unfinished wonder part -- if a wonder is claimed by another civ, I assume the bonus goes away, because the tile would normally completely clear. Therefore, it would just work as a bonus while under construction?

 

[Kupe Navigator]

I really think they should have gave Sundiata's ability to Sejong: libraries hold 2 works of Great Writing. It would have not only been more historical and flavorful, but also more fun than what we got instead.

I think they created Sejong last and realized that Sundiata's LA clashes with Sejong.... so they gave him this lame ability.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I really think they should have gave Sundiata's ability to Sejong: libraries hold 2 works of Great Writing. It would have not only been more historical and flavorful, but also more fun than what we got instead.

The Seowon yielding culture itself would have at least been a little more interesting.

I'm very confused by the unfinished wonder part -- if a wonder is claimed by another civ, I assume the bonus goes away, because the tile would normally completely clear. Therefore, it would just work as a bonus while under construction?

Yes. Honestly, I think that's interesting and won't make me as mad about losing them, well sometimes.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

It could be strong, but Korea's my main in Civ 6... it doesn't really make me want to play him.

I am sad to hear that.
10 thousands of curses at Fraxis and devs!

 

[pokiehl]

I can't help but feel Sejong was an after thought and they REALLY didn't want to make him.

Man, I appreciate your excitement for all of this, but you have got to stop taking everything regarding Korea in a videogame so personally.

No one at Firaxis set out to offend anyone, and it is very clear that everyone there takes as much care as possible to respectfully represent every culture and personality in the game.

 

[DeutschDachs]

They're really laying into Ludwig here haha. He wasn't very good at ruling and probably wasn't the best person, but hey! He was a dreamer!

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

I am sad to hear that.
10 thousands of curses at Fraxis and devs!

I am sure you got your point across after a barrage of comments. Any other more productive thoughts to contribute?

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Man, I appreciate your excitement for all of this, but you have got to stop taking everything regarding Korea in a videogame so personally.

No one at Firaxis set out to offend anyone, and it is very clear that everyone there takes as much care as possible to respectfully represent every culture and personality in the game.

I don't know... I like many others in Korean community feels.. bit sus at how uncreative Sejong is compared to others like Theodora and Ludwig. Why can't Sejong have that much creativity in his LA?

 

[Kupe Navigator]

I am sure you got your point across after a barrage of comments. Any other more productive thoughts to contribute?

You would be disappointed too if your most anticipated leader ended up with lamest of the bunch.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Ludwig converts ALL adjacency culture to Tourism at Castles. Not just in his Wonders

 

[queenpea]

Ludwig converts ALL adjacency culture to Tourism at Castles. Not just in his Wonders

And confirmed he loses the bonus if he loses the wonder to another civ.

 

[Leucarum]

Hmm...

Theodora isn't flashy, arguably quite a boring effect but it looks like a super-impactful ability! Probably the one I am most interested by.

Ludwig is a very wacky ability. Curious to see how that plays out.

Sejong is probably not as bad as people are saying... But I think Seondeok looks more fun.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

You would be disappointed too if your most anticipated leader ended up with lamest of the bunch.

Yes? But I would hope I have more self control so I won't go on commenting a barrage of 10+ comments saying the exact same thing. And I am sure no one here appreciates that, up to 3 comments about the same sentiment is vexatious enough, we lost count how many you posted here.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

It's a videogame, dude.

And we are in civ frantics forum.

. I think all 3 leaders in this pack are done well and pretty interesting, Sejong included

I wish he had ability in turning Seowon into religious abilities. Or do something with writing concepts/ Great works of writing.

 

[DWilson]

So Ludwig turns unimproved tiles into slightly improved tiles freely by placing down any possible wonder then switching away, even if you don't plan to ever build it?

And I'm fine with Sejong. It's main thing is leveraging it to its full potential being a puzzle.

 

[IvoryPavane]

Ludwig’s ability is bonkers and I love it, but I’m not convinced first part is especially potent.

You get +2 per district but an unfinished wonder is essentially a dead tile so there’s a limit to how many you want in your city, also it disappears if someone completes the wonder.

The all culture provides tourism is very very interesting though, and imo the hidden gem of the LA

 

[Kupe Navigator]

But I think Seondeok looks more fun.

That here is my main problem. That Sejong has no business being here if OG leader is more fun.

 

[Xandinho]

Ludwig is very strong because the player doesn't have to put in much effort, as most wonders can only be built next to districts. At least now Germany has an added incentive to pursue cultural victory.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Ludwig's agenda is the opposite of Amanitore.