Leftists

[GhostWriter16]

You have perfectly described communism.

Now move onto Socialism, and as I have requested before give me something accurate; of course, I entirely expect you to equate communism with socialism because your so close minded theres to little room to understand the differences between the two.

This is what "Progressivism" (Socialism) does.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Your nation is a bunch of socialists who let murderers live. Your nation has no right to talk about what is right.

But

No offense

Key Riced.

I can pretty much disregard the rest of what you say.

You have indeed shown yourself rather capable of disregarding what people say when you don't have answers.

 

[nonconformist]

My inline comments are bold. The above quote sums up what I think.


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You're wilfully ignorant, rude, and generally abrasive, make baseless accusations, and essentially go around shouting "USAUSA". You are the reason your people are so maligned.

Your healthcare is more expensive, more corrupt, in the pockets of big businesses which deny essential procedures to people, exclusive, lower quality, and is semi-genocidal in its application.

Don't you dare lecture me about living in a "socialist" country, when you don't even understand the words you're typing.

 

[spryllino]

It doesn't work. It:

1. Is an excuse to let the government tax people more

An excuse? You talk as if the government actually wants tax for the sake of tax. Politicians don't get a proportional cut of all taxes each, you know.

2. Its wrong to give to people that don't work hard by taking from those who do.

But hard-working people fall very ill too. What if they've just been unfortunate and been cheated of their money? Or their pay fell down a drain-pipe? Or was lost in the credit crisis? Or the insurance company is unreasonable with them? Or they are just too stupid to get a good job? Or too disabled? Or born too poor?

3. See my location. Thanks Obama!

Objectively, what's so wrong with that? There's nothing wrong with socialism in itself unless you can demonstrate it with an objective and analytical philosophical proof.

4. England isn't even capitalist, like, at all, so don't talk about capitalism with your nation in view. Your nation is a bunch of socialists who let murderers live. Your nation has no right to talk about what is right. No offense allies in the north, but you really don't, anyone who calls Obama conservative, I can pretty much disregard the rest of what you say.

But you're wrong. That is not what socialism is. We have in Britain a certain amount of welfare state - and that's not socialism - and a certain amount - too much in my view - of capitalism.

Methods of punishment are not relevant to discussions of socialism or capitalism.

Finally, it is not true that just because you disagree with one thing someone says you have to disagree with the rest. Plotinus (say) objects to the monarchy and doesn't believe in god. Just that I like the monarchy doesn't mean I have to start believing in God just to contradict Plotinus for the sake of it.

 

[GhostWriter16]

But hard-working people fall very ill too. What if they've just been unfortunate and been cheated of their money? Or their pay fell down a drain-pipe? Or was lost in the credit crisis? Or the insurance company is unreasonable with them? Or they are just too stupid to get a good job? Or too disabled? Or born too poor?

What was suggested by someone I know, is if someone loses their job, exc. They get welfare for a limited amount of time, to get themselves on their feet, and then they are on their own. I could support this system, doesn't let people live on it.

However, I'm still against welfare. Take your pick. I don't really have an issue with the above.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

However, I'm still against welfare.

I thought you were Christian???

 

[spryllino]

What was suggested by someone I know, is if someone loses their job, exc. They get welfare for a limited amount of time, to get themselves on their feet, and then they are on their own. I could support this system, doesn't let people live on it.

However, I'm still against welfare. Take your pick. I don't really have an issue with the above.

In that case, given that Universal healthcare only applies until the patient gets better, surely you can't have any problem with it?

 

[GhostWriter16]

I thought you were Christian???

I am.

I am a Christian Conservative Capitalist Libertarian.

 

[GhostWriter16]

In that case, given that Universal healthcare only applies until the patient gets better, surely you can't have any problem with it?

Wrong. Universal health care is corrupt in so many ways I don't even want to go through them. But, *sigh* I will.

(This is based off the US system.)

1. Taxing people who choose not to get universal health care.

2. Forcing people to get health insurance.

3. Forcing people to pay for the well being of someone else.

 

[Bill3000]

Wrong. Universal health care is corrupt in so many ways I don't even want to go through them. But, *sigh* I will.

(This is based off the US system.)

1. Taxing people who choose not to get universal health care.

2. Forcing people to get health insurance.

3. Forcing people to pay for the well being of someone else.

Uh, what does any of that have anything to do with corruption? For that matter we did #3 even before the health care bill for emergency care.

 

[spryllino]

Wrong. Universal health care is corrupt in so many ways I don't even want to go through them. But, *sigh* I will.

(This is based off the US system.)

1. Taxing people who choose not to get universal health care.

2. Forcing people to get health insurance.

Who wouldn't want health insurance?

3. Forcing people to pay for the well being of someone else.

I thought you just said that you were alright with welfare for a short period of time for hard-working people?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Uh, what does any of that have anything to do with corruption? For that matter we did #3 even before the health care bill for emergency care.

Well, I agree that, yes, emergency care should be done, regardless of payment. When its done though, the patient is responsible to pay by any means.

Who wouldn't want health insurance?



I thought you just said that you were alright with welfare for a short period of time for hard-working people?

1. Some people don't need it.

2. I said I was ok with it. If we are just doing it for a short period of time and not giving people who are poor the opportunity to live off the rich, I'm ok with it.

My dad (Who is slightly less conservative than me) suggested this. I would personally be fine with being taxed to help someone in this kind of situation, but still not sure if its right to force people...

If they did this, it should be state run and not federal.

 

[Skwink]

3000- Sorry for being a couple pages back, things go fast overnight. Anyway:

"When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." –"The Glenn Beck Program," Sept. 9, 2005

"O-L-I-G-A-R-H-Y." –misspelling "oligarchy" on his chalk board while claiming he had deciphered a secret code that he said was proof President Obama was trying to create an "Oligarhy," Aug. 27, 2009, Glenn Beck show on FOX News Channel

"So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research. ... Eugenics. In case you don't know what Eugenics led us to: the Final Solution. A master race! A perfect person. ... The stuff that we are facing is absolutely frightening." –"The Glenn Beck Program," March 9, 2009

I'm sorry, but this guy is crazy, and so far to the right it hurts.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Some people don't need Health Insurance?

Where do they hang out that is so safe? Obviously not in their homes since you're very likely to have an accident there. Some sort of special room covered in cotton wool?

I blame the terrible US education system for this sort of thing anyway.

 

[spryllino]

Well, I agree that, yes, emergency care should be done, regardless of payment. When its done though, the patient is responsible to pay by any means.



1. Some people don't need it.

2. I said I was ok with it. If we are just doing it for a short period of time and not giving people who are poor the opportunity to live off the rich, I'm ok with it.

My dad (Who is slightly less conservative than me) suggested this. I would personally be fine with being taxed to help someone in this kind of situation, but still not sure if its right to force people...

If they did this, it should be state run and not federal.

So you'd be fine with state-run universal healthcare for hard-working people?

 

[GhostWriter16]

3000- Sorry for being a couple pages back, things go fast overnight. Anyway: "When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." –"The Glenn Beck Program," Sept. 9, 2005

"O-L-I-G-A-R-H-Y." –misspelling "oligarchy" on his chalk board while claiming he had deciphered a secret code that he said was proof President Obama was trying to create an "Oligarhy," Aug. 27, 2009, Glenn Beck show on FOX News Channel

"So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research. ... Eugenics. In case you don't know what Eugenics led us to: the Final Solution. A master race! A perfect person. ... The stuff that we are facing is absolutely frightening." –"The Glenn Beck Program," March 9, 2009

1. I believe you, but would like to see verification. And what they were "Complaining" about. From your post, I would tend to agree with you, but it is possible their "Complaint" really was an unncesessary one. I'm not gonna assume since I didn't hear it. I respect Glenn Beck a lot and would want to see proof before accusing him of something...

2. I can get over a spelling error. This is an excuse a left-winger would make because they don't have real arguments against conservatives. I'm just gonna say, let the spelling error go, its a mistake, he knows how to spell Oligarchy.

3. Does Obama do some of the things Hitler did? Yes. Is he actually Hitler or going to kill millions of people (By his definition of person?) No.

I blame the terrible US education system for this sort of thing anyway.

I agree, we have far too many public schools, when private school is far cheaper.

@Sprillino- Government run business is wrong.

I will give Britain credit where its due, we need Tort Reform to kill all the stupid lawsuits. You should also be able to buy health insurance across state lines. This is the kind of reform we needed.

 

[Skwink]

2: The fact that Mr. Beck thinks Obama is trying to create an Oligarchy is the problem. He must be joking, but the part about a "secret code" is insane.

3:What did Obama do/will do that compares him to Adolf Hitler?

1: yeah, I did not personally hear this one, but it's kinda rude anyway.

 

[_random_]

2. I can get over a spelling error. This is an excuse a left-winger would make because they don't have real arguments against conservatives. I'm just gonna say, let the spelling error go, its a mistake, he knows how to spell Oligarchy.

It would be absolutely excusable in a different context.

 

[Tee Kay]

I agree, we have far too many public schools, when private school is far cheaper.

Not for the average citizen, they're not.

 

[_random_]

Not for the average citizen, they're not.

Perhaps he's referring to cost of maintenance, which is technically true, for reasons Downtown has explained. However, if public schools were to adopt the same model as private ones, it wouldn't work.