Lethal injections:Legal to use on innocence, but not on the guilty.

[classical_hero]

Well that is the basic principle in most countries that allow abortion, since the best way to kill the baby is to inject a lethal dose of a poison that is used in lethal injections in some places that do it for the guilty of murder.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/02/05/todays-letters-late-trimester-abortions-are-not-happening-in-canada-without-a-reason/

This was reinforced this week in a document I received from The Quebec College of Physicians, titled “Guidelines in performing abortions.” When performing an abortion on a woman who is 21 weeks pregnant or more, in addition and prior to following general procedures, we are instructed to inject digoxin or potassium chloride into the fetus or the amniotic sac. This effectively kills the fetus, thereby avoiding having to deal with a live, aborted infant.

It is certainly to wonder to see the condemned getting what they deserve.

 

[_random_]

Oh yeah, this thread can only go smoothly.

 

[Visorslash]

Oh yeah, this thread can only go smoothly.

No doubt. From a thread like this, only civilised discussion will take place.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

I don't see the problem.
A baby that hasn't been baptised yet is not innocent.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

I don't see the problem.
A baby that hasn't been baptised yet is not innocent.

They are innocent in the fact that they have not broken any laws.

 

[WindFish]

prove that abortion is murdah

 

[GoodSarmatian]

They are innocent in the fact that they have not broken any laws.

There is GOD's law and there is man's law.
Just because they haven't been caught doesn't mean they are not guilty.

 

[classical_hero]

@GS What are they guilty of?

@Windfarm. I would classify murder as the taking of innocent life. The fact that they use the same substance in lethal injections as they do in abortions show that it takes life. In abortion it takes an innocent live, whereas in lethal injection it takes a life found guilty of a capital crime. BTW, the subtitle of this section was: "How to avoid live fetuses".

 

[WindFish]

@Windfarm. I would classify murder as the taking of innocent life. The fact that they use the same substance in lethal injections as they do in abortions show that it takes life. In abortion it takes an innocent live, whereas in lethal injection it takes a life found guilty of a capital crime. BTW, the subtitle of this section was: "How to avoid live fetuses".

Thats not proof that abortion is murdah, that is only what you believe and society doesn't make laws on what Classical_Hero believes

 

[Leoreth]

Saw thread title, expected something interesting.

Missed that it was by classical hero.

 

[strijder20]

I'm sure you eat meat any day, and I'm also sure you've never called the butcher a 'murderer'.
A foetus has less conscience than a cow though.
Of course, the foetus has the potential to grow into a proper human being, while the cow hasn't.
There are many arguments both pro and contra abortion, but if you really wanted a civil discussion about them, then maybe you shouldn't have posted the conclusion that abortion is murder in the OP.

 

[Carras Dad]

@GS What are they guilty of?

the original sin, of course.

 

[Carras Dad]

you see, classical hero, the thing is, people who are pro-abortion dont see fetuses as persons, so to them, by defintion abortion can not be murder.

so all you're going to achieve with this thread from pro-abortion people is a little head-shaking, while all you're going to ac´hieve from anti-abortion people is a little outrage.

if that's what you want, fine, but what you're never going to achieve is a discussion, because the only meaningful discussion people from both sides can have is whether or not a fetus is a person.

 

[GhostWriter16]

How can a fetus not be a person At 21 weeks or more?

I believe its conception of course, but I don't see how its really debatable that far down the line.

Babies have survived outside the womb at 21 weeks. Even just flat out evicting them gives them a better shot.

 

[WindFish]

The law says they aren't until 24 weeks (unless the baby has a severe disability then its not a person till birth) and its up to the anti-abortion people to prove that a fetus is a person at 21 weeks

 

[strijder20]

How can a fetus not be a person At 21 weeks or more?

What does one have to do to become a person?

 

[useless]

I'd love to hear C_H's thoughts on the vast "slaughter" of animals such as chickens, cows, pigs etc?

Aren't they innocent? Bare in mind, these creatures have actually been born!

 

[GoodSarmatian]

@GS What are they guilty of?

You're the christian, you tell me.
I always found the concept of original sin appaling.

 

[GoodGame]

What does one have to do to become a person?

It probably has more to do with legal definitions of personhood (i.e. protection under th law) than the actual development of personality.

 

[Tee Kay]

Late-term abortion is a very gray area. I personally would not approve of it.

It's a small minority of all abortions though.