Lethal injections:Legal to use on innocence, but not on the guilty.

[Valka D'Ur]

Everyone who believes that abortion is murder and doesn't do anything to directly and physically stop the worst crime since the holocaust is a hypocrite, a liar or a coward.

Some of them do. They kill doctors, nurses, bomb abortion clinics, harass women going into clinics (whether they're there for an abortion, counselling, or just to deliver a message or meet somebody), tie up traffic outside and cause accidents, etc. What they never do is actually offer concrete help to the pregnant women, by giving them alternatives... like making sure they have proper nutrition, adequate housing, getting them out of abusive domestic situations, curing whatever congenital medical issue that could be the reason she chose to abort, or adopting the baby once they've convinced the woman to carry to term and place the child for adoption.

Nope, they never do these things. They care about what's in a woman's womb, and once a live birth has happened, they no longer give a damn about either mother or child (and will promptly place blame/shame on the woman for being pregnant in the first place, if she's not wealthy enough to properly care for the baby or pay someone else to do it).

And then they have the utter effrontery to call themselves "pro-life."

 

[Borachio]

Hmm. I thought I might refute this by Googling "pro life activist adopts baby". Surely, I thought, that would quickly reveal at least one pro-life couple adopting a baby. Any baby.

Nope. Not a thing.

But I'm no Google wizard, that's for sure.

 

[AlpsStranger]

Man, it's so not fair. That fetus was supposed to become a person and live a long, happy life. Then it could be thrown in hell for eternity by Classical_Hero's best bud in the universe for some sort of esoteric violation of His honor.

Now when it gets to hell it won't even know what it was like to not be in hell. His victim's lack of knowledge of better times will sharply diminish the sweetness of His revenge.

 

[WindFish]

I dont want to sound like Neomenga but I think that these anti-abortion people don't really care about fetuses. I think its just a cover to introduce a theological state and that abortion is a low hanging fruit for them.

 

[ace99]

Censored for the innocent fetuses. George Carlin:

Why, why, why, why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn’t want to **** in the first place, huh? Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren’t they? They’re all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you’re born, you’re on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don’t want to know about you. They don’t want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re pre-born, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re *******.

Conservatives don’t give a **** about you until you reach “military age”. Then they think you are just fine. Just what they’ve been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life… pro-life… These people aren’t pro-life, they’re killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they’ll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it?They’re not pro-life. You know what they are? They’re anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don’t like them. They don’t like women.They believe a woman’s primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.

Pro-life… You don’t see many of these white anti-abortion women volunteering to have any black fetuses transplanted into their uterus’s, do you? No, you don’t see them adopting a whole lot of crack babies, do you? No, that might be something Christ would do. And, you won’t see a lot of these pro-life people dousing themselves in kerosene and lighting themselves on fire. You know, morally committed religious people in South Vietnam knew how to stage a goddamn demonstration, didn’t they?! They knew how to put on a ****** protest. Light yourself on FIRE!! C’mon, you moral crusaders, let’s see a little smoke. To match that fire in your belly.

Warning link NSFW

Spoiler :

http://lybio.net/george-carlin-pro-life-abortion-and-the-sanctity-of-life/comedy/

 

[AlpsStranger]

I dont want to sound like Neomenga but I think that these anti-abortion people don't really care about fetuses. I think its just a cover to introduce a theological state and that abortion is a low hanging fruit for them.

I kinda size up anti-abortion people based on this criterion. If they seem genuinely concerned I usually cut them some slack and disagree civilly.

If I suspect they are like this, as I certainly suspect Classical_Hero is, I'm usually flippant and offensive.

 

[Traitorfish]

What I really don't get is why Proddies get so excited about abortion. They're into that whole determinism shtick, Luther and whatever, yeah? That everything that has ever happened or will happened was decided by God before time even began. So it's pretty clear that God wants these babies to die. Isn't it?

 

[Borachio]

You know, morally committed religious people in South Vietnam Tibet knew how to stage a goddamn demonstration, didn’t they?! They knew how to put on a ****** protest. Light yourself on FIRE!! C’mon, you moral crusaders, let’s see a little smoke. To match that fire in your belly.

Btw, this guy, Jampa Yeshi, is not smiling but screaming. He died two days later.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_why-are-tibetans-setting-themselves-on-fire_1796215

What I really don't get is why Proddies get so excited about abortion. They're into that whole determinism shtick, Luther and whatever, yeah? That everything that has ever happened or will happened was decided by God before time even began. So it's pretty clear that God wants these babies to die. Isn't it?

God plainly has inspired them to get excited. See? Simples.

God wants the babies to die, and the Proddies to protest, and (who knows? I can't see what the future holds) get abortion to be illegal again - or not.

 

[Oruc]

There's a bit of a clue in the phrase "It's what Jesus would have done."

Take a whip to them? I don't know I think Klaus Kinski did a good Jesus impression.

 

[Phrossack]

Take a whip to them? I don't know I think Klaus Kinski did a good Jesus impression.

Wasn't Jesus the guy who said "turn the other cheek" and never physically hurt anyone? Or is he this guy?

 

[Oruc]

Wasn't Jesus the guy who said "turn the other cheek" and never physically hurt anyone? Or is he this guy?

He said alot of things and did alot of other things.
I don't think he would be ok with the system we have in place, It suits those who have power to perpetuate that idea of Christianity and Jesus, to encourage Christians to be weak men who wait for God to fix their problems.

 

[AlpsStranger]

People can only get an absolute moral system out of the Bible by reading it according to highly selective traditions. You can get some kind of morality from a non-forced reading of it, but the level of theological certainty most believers try to deal in is flatly absurd.

 

[Borachio]

Take a whip to them? I don't know I think Klaus Kinski did a good Jesus impression.

I only remember him in Aguirre:The Wrath of God

He wasn't particularly Christ-like in that, imo.

Good film, though.

 

[_random_]

What I really don't get is why Proddies get so excited about abortion. They're into that whole determinism shtick, Luther and whatever, yeah? That everything that has ever happened or will happened was decided by God before time even began. So it's pretty clear that God wants these babies to die. Isn't it?

I think Calvin and Knox are the protestant reformers most associated with determinism, although thinking about it, I really haven't read much on Luther's views on the matter. In Calvinism, the idea is that man is totally depraved (which is why you need determinism, since nothing you can do can save you, God needs to decide it), so I'd imagine that pro-life Calvinists would cite abortion as an example of man's general nastiness.

 

[AlpsStranger]

Man's general nastiness is beyond dispute, but I think many Christians ignore our legitimately good qualities to fit their agenda.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Everyone who believes that abortion is murder and doesn't do anything to directly and physically stop the worst crime since the holocaust is a hypocrite, a liar or a coward.

What if they're pacifists?

 

[_random_]

Some of them do. They kill doctors, nurses, bomb abortion clinics, harass women going into clinics (whether they're there for an abortion, counselling, or just to deliver a message or meet somebody), tie up traffic outside and cause accidents, etc. What they never do is actually offer concrete help to the pregnant women, by giving them alternatives... like making sure they have proper nutrition, adequate housing, getting them out of abusive domestic situations, curing whatever congenital medical issue that could be the reason she chose to abort, or adopting the baby once they've convinced the woman to carry to term and place the child for adoption.

Nope, they never do these things. They care about what's in a woman's womb, and once a live birth has happened, they no longer give a damn about either mother or child (and will promptly place blame/shame on the woman for being pregnant in the first place, if she's not wealthy enough to properly care for the baby or pay someone else to do it).

And then they have the utter effrontery to call themselves "pro-life."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_pregnancy_center

Weirdly, I've known a lot more pro-life people involved with these than involved in harassment. I've actually never met an anti-abortion terrorist that I know of, although I'd really like to. It's almost as if you're criticizing a movement you dislike based on crude stereotypes and media sensationalism.

 

[Traitorfish]

CPCs have been reported to disseminate false medical information, usually but not exclusively about the supposed health risks and mental health risks of abortion.

So there's that.

 

[Akka]

I must say I find it very strange that staunch pro-life advocates are so very often usually pro-capital punishment, anti-gun control, and gungho on the hit-them-terrorists-hard question.

Being anti-abortion but still pro-death penalty can actually be completely logical - the main idea being that the "baby" is innocent, and as such should not be killed, while the criminal is guilty, and as such has "earned" his death.

Claiming to be "pro-life" but being pro-gun and gung-ho, on the other hand, is pretty idiotic.
Though the main point is that claiming that a lump of cells with less abilities to feel than an amoeba is a person is the really ******** notion.

Anyway, this garbage thread is just a big stale troll, so why is it still open ?

 

[Traitorfish]

Being anti-abortion but still pro-death penalty can actually be completely logical - the main idea being that the "baby" is innocent, and as such should not be killed, while the criminal is guilty, and as such has "earned" his death.

Just because you can construct the sentence "A is B, therefore C" doesn't actually mean that that claim A is B, therefore C is a logical one.