Let's Read the Bible Once

[Thorgalaeg]

Brick bible is awesome! Sadly lego women lack tits.

 

[AdamCrock]

From what I've been told, Muslims think Christians worship 3 Gods in violation of the 1st Commandment. God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. They worship just God. It's all just a misunderstanding about the Holy Trinity since God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are one being so we still are just worshiping one God.

And porbably this is the common misconception that has been plagueing us ever since the crusades?! Is that the only sad truth ?! I cannot trust the church on this - in Europe they just spread lies to strenghten their belief amongs the peasants. And for this day the church remain of that corruption ...

 

[Kaitzilla]

Will the Apocrypha be covered? I'll be here for that.

Edit: ^woah, I didn't see you there, Lillefix

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha

King James Version [edit]

The English-language King James Version (KJV) of 1611 followed the lead of the Luther Bible in using an inter-testamental section labelled "Books called Apocrypha", or just "Apocrypha" at the running page header. The KJV followed the Geneva Bible of 1560 almost exactly (variations are marked below). The section contains the following:[18]
1 Esdras (Vulgate 3 Esdras)
2 Esdras (Vulgate 4 Esdras)
Tobit
Judith ("Judeth" in Geneva)
Rest of Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4-16:24)
Wisdom
Ecclesiasticus (also known as Sirach)
Baruch and the Epistle of Jeremy ("Jeremiah" in Geneva) (all part of Vulgate Baruch)
Song of the Three Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24-90)
Story of Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13)
The Idol Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14)
Prayer of Manasses (follows 2 Chronicles in Geneva)
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees

Included in this list are those books of the Clementine Vulgate that were not in Luther's canon. These are the books most frequently referred to by the casual appellation "the Apocrypha". These same books are also listed in Article VI of the Thirty-Nine Articles of the Church of England.[19] Despite being placed in the Apocrypha, in the table of lessons at the front of some printings of the King James Bible, these books are included under the Old Testament.

I think my version has Jeremiah and Ecclesiasticus, but no Maccabees, Esdras, Tobit, Judith, or Prayer of Manasses. Not sure about the Daniel passages.

So confusing!

Pretty sure the Song of Susanna is a Stephen King novel heh

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

Based on the posts in this forum, I'd have to say quite a few unless it is oddly unrepresentative for some reason.

I should rephrase. What percentage excluding evangelical leaders?

 

[Lillefix]

It's all just a misunderstanding about the Holy Trinity since God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are one being so we still are just worshiping one God.

Can't understand how they can misunderstand. It's all so clearly explained:

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible. We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father

also

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son

 

[Kaitzilla]

Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, First and Second Machabees, and parts of Esther (10:14 to 16:14) and Daniel (3:24-90; 13; 14) were the books that the Protestants removed.

Unless Ecclesiasticus is Ecclesiastes and Judith is Jude, I don't have any of those in my King James Bible

These seems to be the Apocrypha passages that others mentioned hmm. So confusing.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I should rephrase. What percentage excluding evangelical leaders?

Do you really think their parishioners have different views, again based on frequent comments in this forum? They may represent a tiny fraction of the Christians in your own country and in Europe, but they certainly do not here. There are more evangelicals in the US than there are liberals.

And it is obviously not just limited to evangelicals either. That just happened to be an article by an evangelical in an evangelical website.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Based on the posts in this forum, I'd have to say quite a few unless it is oddly unrepresentative for some reason.

80% of Evangelicals disagree that Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

Yikes!

I guess I could understand that considering Jesus to be just a prophet and not divine would qualify Muslims as only worshipping 2/3rds of God, but the Big Guy would still be the same.

 

[Kaitzilla]

And porbably this is the common misconception that has been plagueing us ever since the crusades?! Is that the only sad truth ?! I cannot trust the church on this - in Europe they just spread lies to strenghten their belief amongs the peasants. And for this day the church remain of that corruption ...

The Church tries to correct past mistakes, it just takes a while.
Galileo got his apology after 367 years for the heresy trial.
And the Knights Templar are still waiting for theirs 700 years later.

THE VATICAN is giving “serious consideration” to apologising for the persecution that led to the suppression of the Knights Templar.
The suppression, which began on Friday , October 13, 1307, gave Friday the Thirteenth its superstitious legacy.

Haha, so that's where Friday the 13th got its bad luck! Must have been quite the suppressions.

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

Do you really think their parishioners have different views, again based on frequent comments in this forum? They may represent a tiny fraction of the Christians in your own country and in Europe, but they certainly do not here.

And it is obviously not just limited to evangelicals either. That just happened to be a post by an evangelical minister in an evangelical website.

I don't necessarily disagree but I wasn't entirely comfortable with the idea that uninformed Christians are on the whole hateful Christians.

I guess I just like to imagine my right wing, god fearing Americans as rather more mad than bad. But I may well be simply being idealistic. After all (and tenuously on topic), the bible, which apparently is very popular with you guys, tends not to be big on the whole hating thing.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Can't understand how they can misunderstand. It's all so clearly explained:

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible. We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father

also

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son

Don't ask me exactly what the Holy Spirit is. ^.^
I'd have to phone a friend. Spirit of God is close as I can get.
Separate, but the Same.

 

[bhsup]

Do you really think their parishioners have different views, again based on frequent comments in this forum? They may represent a tiny fraction of the Christians in your own country and in Europe, but they certainly do not here. There are more evangelicals in the US than there are liberals.

And it is obviously not just limited to evangelicals either. That just happened to be an article by an evangelical in an evangelical website.

And what does any of this have to do with the OP deciding to read the Bible in a day?

EDIT: Btw, I started a thread about six years ago about readin the Bible
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=218854

EDIT 2: And from another thread about seven years ago, just to counter Forma's hyperbolic claim of "frequent comments" which is just malarky... though it still really has no business in this thread, I can't really let that claim go unchallenged.

I have personally never understood why we cannot live in peace. The way I personally see it is like this...

We are all three (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) worshippers of the God of Abraham. Surely there is more to unite us than to divide us. We do not have to accept the particular beliefs of the others that contradict our own, but we can still respect the others' rights to hold those beliefs.

Oops... again? I'm really making this a bad habit.

They're all the same God, but before I vote I'd like to know if you would consider me (given my posts) a Christian fundamentalist or a Christian protestant.

 

[AdamCrock]

Galileo was just one lad You know ! Overwhelmed by all this superstition and nonesense (as we are this time of age) and all he had to say was that there are other stellar bodies out there. This was considered heresy and therefore condemned as such. He was considered heretic and GOD help me ! UNJUSTLY ! It just makes me rage and... probably this is a good cue to end this story.

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

And what does any of this have to do with the OP deciding to read the Bible in a day?

Come on man. Derailments are a dime a dozen. They happen when people are passionate. You honestly think you'd point this one out if it weren't for the poster and the content?

Do you honestly think I'd be asking this if it wasn't my question that initiated the derailment?

 

[bhsup]

You honestly think you'd point this one out if it weren't for the poster and the content?

You caught me with my hand in the cookie jar!!

 

[Formaldehyde]

I don't necessarily disagree but I wasn't entirely comfortable with the idea that uninformed Christians are on the whole hateful Christians.

I think that is generally true. But there are certainly a large number of exceptions.

I guess I just like to imagine my right wing, god fearing Americans as rather more mad than bad. But I may well be simply being idealistic. After all (and tenuously on topic), the bible, which apparently is very popular with you guys, tends not to be big on the whole hating thing.

They typically turn to the Old Testament to find biblical reasons to rationalize their hatred of others. I think it is sad that so many Christians aren't pacifistic or non-judgmental in the least despite believing in a religious tome that clearly advocates those positions.

I think it is also clear that it directly leads to a large part of this sectarian violence which the Papal representative to the UN seems to think is a sign of religious persecution.

And what does any of this have to do with the OP deciding to read the Bible in a day?

I guess you overlooked the part of the OP which specifically refers to the supposed persecution and killing of so many Christians for their religious beliefs, and which generated these comments by a number of different people before I even posted.

 

[AdamCrock]

Than perhaps You are asking too much ?

 

[Gucumatz]

Kaitzilla if you want to go even further, try picking up a copy of an Orthodox version of the Bible. Has several other books in addition to the books the Protestants left out

And that's an interesting fact (Bible meant book). I wonder if other sacred books originated their names that way? I know for my ancestors "Popol Vuh" means Sacred Book, so its a logical name too

 

[Gigaz]

Chapter 4 - Cain and Abel were born from Adam and Eve. They brought offerings of crops and sheep as offerings to God, but God only respected the sheep. Cain killed Abel over jealousy? and was cursed to never get another crop out of the ground no matter how hard he tried? Cain wandered to another land and met his wife and had a long list of descendants.

A bit of historical background on this one:
The ancient Israelites made their living from animal husbandry, unlike their neighbors Babylon and Egypt. The subtext of this one can be summed up to: agriculture sucks. The whole analogy sheep <-> shepard = man <-> god must have been a no-brainer to those people.

 

[Gucumatz]

Yep, even to this day there tends to still be some animosity between the sedentary farmers, herders, and hunters and gatherers. That's a pretty clear enshrinement of historical animosity in metaphor