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I feel like trying to make appeals to religion in a thread about a community unduly harmed by it might not be the most appropriate action for a straight, cis person to do
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sophie
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What did you think would happen if you posted glibly about religion and suicide in the LGBTQ News thread? You should have made your own thread but quite frankly the response you would have gotten would be little better because of how inconsiderately you were handling the topic!
Maybe it is I am just used to seeing it in a trans context XD"FTM" = "For that matter" I thought that was the standard
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That makes sense... Also looking back... I'm the one who started this particular tangent so if there is any blame to go around, its on me not @Farm Boy. My fault everyone.
Crezth
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Honestly not a bad sentiment. We could do with more feeling good about taking another day not for granted. As one who saw the view from halfway down, I think it's really good that you're still trucking, too.
Wesley said "Life is pain"... and he was right... until he wasn't, realized he was mistaken, said "As you wish" instead... and then lived happily ever after.
I admit some other stuff happened between those last two things... but the point is that "THE POINT" for you isn't up to me, its up to you... and vice versa.
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A couple good books on the subject of religion and homosexuality:
First is about Christianity and the second Islam. I haven’t read the second book yet but from the title it also talks about transgenderism (is that a word?).
To get back to the news topic
This is about two makeup artists in Iraqi Kurdistan who the article identifies as male (perhaps incorrectly) who were arrested for Instagram posts in which they’re wearing makeup and appear female.
About the article identifying them as male … I know the editor and have worked for them before and I think maybe he just didn’t know or think to reach out to ask. They’re generally concerned with human rights and I think this is being socially unaware perhaps.
Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality: Gay People in Western Europe from the Beginning of the Christian Era to the Fourteenth Century - Kindle edition by Boswell, John, Jordan, Mark D.. Religion & Spirituality Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.
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Amazon.com: Homosexuality in Islam: Critical Reflection on Gay, Lesbian, and Transgender Muslims: 9781851687015: Kugle, Scott Siraj Al-Haqq: Books
Amazon.com: Homosexuality in Islam: Critical Reflection on Gay, Lesbian, and Transgender Muslims: 9781851687015: Kugle, Scott Siraj Al-Haqq: Books
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First is about Christianity and the second Islam. I haven’t read the second book yet but from the title it also talks about transgenderism (is that a word?).
To get back to the news topic
Two makeup artists arrested in Iraqi Kurdistan for cross-dressing
Two makeup artists arrested in Iraqi Kurdistan for cross-dressing. Las Hawta, 17, and Rinas Fadhil Ali were both arrested
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This is about two makeup artists in Iraqi Kurdistan who the article identifies as male (perhaps incorrectly) who were arrested for Instagram posts in which they’re wearing makeup and appear female.
About the article identifying them as male … I know the editor and have worked for them before and I think maybe he just didn’t know or think to reach out to ask. They’re generally concerned with human rights and I think this is being socially unaware perhaps.
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It is a word, but it's not considered acceptable; it is usually used by transphobes in a derogatory way. The right term, in this case, would be something like "it also talks about transgender people", the same way we talk about "gay people" and not "homosexualism/homosexuality", both which tend to be rather eyebrow raising.
sophie
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“Transgenderism” frames the matter as an ideology which one freely adopts (or into which one is indoctrinated) rather than a thing which someone is; a characteristic of a person’s being. The comparison would be like “homosexuality” or “gay people” vs “the gay/homosexual lifestyle.”
Okay that’s interesting. I didn’t mean any offense by it. I’m surprised about homosexuality because as a member of the team I would never consider it eyebrow raising. Homosexualism I would but I’ve never seen that one before.
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US judge throws out Texas ban on drag acts, calls it unconstitutional
A federal judge in Texas ruled on Tuesday that the state's new law limiting public drag performances was an unconstitutional restriction on speech and he permanently forbid enforcement of it.
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Reuters said:
US judge throws out Texas ban on drag acts, calls it unconstitutional
A federal judge in Texas ruled on Tuesday that the state's new law limiting public drag performances was an unconstitutional restriction on speech and he permanently forbid enforcement of it.
According to Wikipedia Hittner was appointed by Reagan, another RINO I suppose.
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Sask. premier to use notwithstanding clause to veto judge ruling on school pronoun policy
Judge says policy cannot be implemented, enforced until court rules on its legitimacy
A Regina judge has ruled that the Saskatchewan government's naming and pronoun policy should be paused for the time being, but Premier Scott Moe says he'll use the notwithstanding clause to override it.Moe, responding to today's injunction issued by a Regina Court of King's Bench Justice Michael Megaw, said he intends to recall the legislature Oct. 10 to "pass legislation to protect parents' rights."
"Our government is extremely dismayed by the judicial overreach of the court blocking implementation of the Parental Inclusion and Consent policy - a policy which has the strong support of a majority of Saskatchewan residents, in particular, Saskatchewan parents," Moe said in a written statement Thursday afternoon. "The default position should never be to keep a child's information from their parents."
Last month, the province announced that all students under 16 needed parental consent to change their names or pronouns.
Moe previously said he stands by the policy and that the province will do everything in its power to protect parental rights. The notwithstanding clause is a provision that allows governments to override certain Charter rights for up to five years when passing legislation. The clause can only override certain sections of the charter which deal with fundamental freedoms, legal rights and equality rights — but can't be used to override democratic rights. Once invoked, the notwithstanding clause prevents any judicial review of the legislation in question.
Judge grants injunction to halt policy
Earlier Thursday, Megaw issued his 56-page ruling ordering the policy be put on hold until a full hearing can take place."I determine the protection of these youth surpasses that interest expressed by the government, pending a full and complete hearing," Megaw wrote.
UR Pride filed a lawsuit calling for the policy to be struck down. Their position was that it could cause teachers to out or misgender children and that policy violates the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Last week, lawyers for UR Pride argued for an injunction, pending a ruling in the lawsuit.
The province's lawyers say the policy has been misinterpreted. They say parents should be involved when their children decide to change their names or pronouns.
- Sask. Premier Scott Moe says implementation of school pronoun policy underway
- Some Sask. teachers say pronoun policy has 'chilling effect,' creates uncertainty
Megaw wrote that until there can be a full hearing, "the importance of the governmental policy is outweighed by the public interest of not exposing that minority of students to exposure to the potentially irreparable harm and mental health difficulty of being unable to find expression for their gender identity."
Megaw ruled the policy cannot be implemented or enforced until its legitimacy has been decided by the court.
Arguments for and against the policy are slated to be heard in court in November. Megaw said that should provide a timely resolution for all parties, so it's best to pause the policy until then.
"This matter will be heard quickly and well before the first semester at school is completed. This necessarily means that the injunction should have a limited duration," he wrote.
Megaw also said the government "does not appear to advance an argument that such treatment of the younger students is in their best interests or will, necessarily, lead to better outcomes for them from a mental health perspective. Nothing in the policy recognizes... the need for professional assistance for those students with gender dysphoria."
NDP Opposition education critic Matt Love said it's clear the pronoun policy should be "scrapped" immediately.
"The government should not come forward with legislation in the fall sitting to put this policy into law, and they certainly shouldn't do so relying on the notwithstanding clause to push this policy forward," Love said in a written statement.
"The Children's Advocate has already determined that this policy violates the rights of vulnerable children."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/judge-grants-injunction-school-pronoun-policy-1.6981406
sophie
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no dude obviously not. but the issue is whether a teacher can be punished for acknowledging that name, or if the school or any of its employees are allowed to recognize the name.
Getting deadnamed fudging sucks, and if the kid is going to the school for acknowledgement outside of the parents’ knowledge or sayso something is seriously going wrong in that home. Just unbelievable, unconscionable cruelty on display.
Getting deadnamed fudging sucks, and if the kid is going to the school for acknowledgement outside of the parents’ knowledge or sayso something is seriously going wrong in that home. Just unbelievable, unconscionable cruelty on display.
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B.C. Conservative leader under fire for likening teaching of sexuality, gender to residential schools
Social media post on National Day for Truth and Reconciliation 'enraging': survivor
The leader of the Conservative Party of British Columbia is under fire for a social media post that critics say appeared to compare teaching students about sexual orientation and gender identity to the genocide of Indigenous children in residential schools.John Rustad, MLA for Nechako Lakes, acknowledged the National Day for Truth and Reconciliation in a Sept. 30 post on X, formerly known as Twitter.
"Today we remember what happens when the Canadian government thinks it's better at raising children than parents," read Rustad's Saturday post, which was also shared on his party's official Facebook page.
"I will always stand with parents."
Rustad's post quickly drew criticism from residential school survivors and fellow MLAs, who said it was politicizing the deaths of children at residential schools in order to support the parental rights movement — which supports a ban on teaching B.C. students about sexual orientation and gender identity (SOGI) in schools.
Those who support parental rights say parents need more information and input about what their children are learning in school, a position Rustad previously backed in a Sept. 20 statement.
The catch-all term "parental rights" has also been used across Canada and the United States to lobby for legislation to require parental consent for children and teens who want to use different names or pronouns at schools — measures that some LGBTQ advocates say harm transgender youth.
- Where did the term 'parental rights' come from?
- People have been protesting for and against it. So what exactly is SOGI?
CBC News reached out to Rustad for comment. In a phone call on Sunday, his office said he would not be available for an interview before publication.
Leader's comment called 'shameful'
Residential school survivor Celeste George, a member of the Nak'azdli Whut'en, a First Nation near Fort St. James, B.C., said seeing Rustad's post on the National Day for Truth and Reconciliation, a day meant to honour victims and survivors of residential schools, was "enraging.""It's not even the comparison, [it's] the actual idea that he can blatantly use the day for his own hatred, for his own agenda," said George, who is also a former anti-racism educator.
"That was really horrific to me, knowing that hatred has taken so much from us."
She said Rustad's post will fuel anti-Indigenous racism and anti-trans sentiments, a concern echoed by Florence Ashley, a transfeminine associate professor of law at the University of Alberta in Edmonton.
"It's absolutely vile for a politician to compare a deeply marginalized group asking for rights with cultural genocide," Ashley wrote on X on Sunday.
B.C. New Democrat MLA Ravi Parmar called the social media post a "disgraceful comparison."
"It's shameful to co-opt this day to spread fear and attack the rights of queer kids," he wrote on X.
Harsha Walia, a human rights advocate and former executive director of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association, wrote that "weaponizing [the National Day for Truth and Reconciliation] like this is horrific."
"Despicable," Walia said in a post on X. "A party leader & sitting MLA compares genocide of residential schools to anti-trans dog whistle of 'parent rights.'"
Conservative Party newly recognized
Rustad was first elected in 2005 and previously served as minister of Aboriginal relations and reconciliation under the B.C. Liberal — now B.C. United — government.He previously backtracked after making comments questioning why Indigenous members of his community were receiving COVID-19 vaccines ahead of older members of the population in 2021.
In August 2022, he was ousted from the B.C. United caucus for sharing an online post casting doubt on the science behind climate change.
Rustad sat as an independent until February, when he joined the B.C. Conservative Party. A month later, he was acclaimed as party leader.
Another B.C. United MLA, Bruce Banman, crossed the floor to join Rustad in September, and the two-MLA party was officially recognized in the legislature two weeks ago.
Rustad has previously supported parental rights and said he wants to end the teaching of SOGI in schools.
"Parents raise children — not government, and we have laws in British Columbia to protect children who are unsafe at home," he said in the Sept. 20 statement.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/john-rustad-sept-30-tweet-1.6984159
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