LINESII- Into the Darkness

[Oruc]

Lurker's Comment Precisely. Britain ruled a quarter of the world. But you don't generally think of them as terrifying because they did it very gradually. The Mongols ruled a quarter of the world, but they did it in a very short period of time, starting in the middle of nowhere, and very brutally to boot. Short, sharp, brutal action, from a bunch of very tough people, tends to be looked on as impressive. See also: Huns, Vikings, Goths, Pirates, Samurai, Ninja, etc. It's a hallmark of the popular image of being badass.

So far, the Lengels have steamrolled quite a number of people fairly rapidly (at least in turns if not years). They're a bit lacking on the brutality quotient, however their power and speed of applying it is nonetheless impressive. For these reasons, in historical judgment, it is more likely they will be looked upon similar to the above listed examples than not.

Bollocks its up to the players how their people view/remember them.

 

[Symphony D.]

Lurker's Comment Actually if anything it's up to Iggy.

 

[Oruc]

Lurker's Comment Actually if anything it's up to Iggy.

The stories the players write shape the culture of their people, not the mod.

 

[das]

Compromise: its up to both the players AND the mod.

 

[jalapeno_dude]

If anything, I'd think it's the Eldranians who will be remembered as the scary demons in this world (like the Huns, perhaps?), while the Lengels will be remembered for the sheer amount of land the conquered (like Alexander the Great or the Mongols)...

 

[Oruc]

Am I supposed to do somthing special to get those 3 money cities? cos I aint got crap.

 

[das]

With respect, the Eldranians will probably be but a footnote in history because pretty much everyone who had seriously fought them is dead/extinct/has other problems rather than remembering the past. The Lengels greatly overshadow them, as do the Veritasians. We (Gerberians) are beginning to forget them already, actually.

 

[alex994]

Das does have a point you know, someone has to be around to tell the tale of woe, death, slaughter, carnage and etc. I mean look at the Mongols, they had an excellent PR department telling everyone how evil and brutal they were. I don't think the Eldranians had that

FYI, the E word was Emor

EDIT: The Government cannot tell people what to think Emu, no matter how much you want them to be able to

 

[Swissempire]

Eldrania, you means those silly peace people?

And seriously though, i think that the evils of Eldrania will be forgotten, because the New Eldranias, since they are the primary Civilization spreaders and history keepers, would be embarassed and wash that little stainf from history, like the Germans and teh Hitlerzorzs. Its not something the New Eldranians talk about, so t would probably fade away.

 

[Oruc]

EDIT: The Government cannot tell people what to think Emu, no matter how much you want them to be able to

if you write a story about how people think about other cultures then thats how they think, just look at Eldranians.
In a fresh start your not just the government, your also the culture, the people and because you made them you decide their views on most things.

 

[alex994]

if you write a story about how people think about other cultures then thats how they think, just look at Eldranians.
In a fresh start your not just the government, your also the culture, the people and because you made them you decide their views on most things.

Yes, but over time their opinion may change to be against yours as the fresh start progresses. Let's say silver steak decides he doesn't like gorin anymore and started writing stories about how evil Gorin is, do you think his people will fullheartedly accept his idea?

 

[Oruc]

Yes, but over time their opinion may change to be against yours as the fresh start progresses. Let's say silver steak decides he doesn't like gorin anymore and started writing stories about how evil Gorin is, do you think his people will fullheartedly accept his idea?

that depends on why he stopped liking Gorin (their must have been a reason the relationship turned sour) and how many stories he writes and from what perspective.

 

[alex994]

that depends on why he stopped liking Gorin (their must have been a reason the relationship turned sour) and how many stories he writes and from what perspective.

See, this is where I disagree. There comes a time, where stories will not significantly change a people's mind and opinion. Let's say in a modern day nes, it'll be quite difficult to write a few stories as China about how great Japan is and convince their population that Japan is their best friend.

Of course, that isn't time yet though I think the MOD should have significant influence on a nation's people, and not just the player.

 

[Oruc]

See, this is where I disagree. There comes a time, where stories will not significantly change a people's mind and opinion. Let's say in a modern day nes, it'll be quite difficult to write a few stories as China about how great Japan is and convince their population that Japan is their best friend.

Of course, that isn't time yet though I think the MOD should have significant influence on a nation's people, and not just the player.

The stories are to show what the people think and to provide an example of the peoples unique mindset to the mod, unless your just writing about the Government of course.
I think the mod should have very little influence the nations internal set-up and Modern day nes's are different they come with pre-packaged cultures.

 

[das]

The Government cannot tell people what to think Emu, no matter how much you want them to be able to

Yes it can, and if it is done subtly enough, guess what, it even works.

New Eldranias

None of the Citadelers were ethnically related to the Eldranians themselves, unless the Prophet counts.

do you think his people will fullheartedly accept his idea?

Yes, because everyone hates one's neighbours, that's the golden rule of 16th-to-20th century French diplomacy.

 

[Silver Steak]

Neighbors = walls hindering expansion.

 

[alex994]

The stories are to show what the people think and to provide an example of the peoples unique mindset to the mod, unless your just writing about the Government of course.
I think the mod should have very little influence the nations internal set-up and Modern day nes's are different they come with pre-packaged cultures.

But the initial set up is kinda over. Cultures have already been established and cemented. The point is, unless you're starting a brand new nation somewhere far far away, things have well been cemented and the opinion of your people about a thing may have well stuck.

EDIT: But gorin is your good ally even if they're blocking your expansion silver!

Das, I submit to your righteousness

 

[Swissempire]

I think it depends how much control your "in-game" avatars have over you people. If your a republic and your saying that the Presikratorinator suddenly decides that he hate women and starts killing them all, the people might disagree and revolt. But if your a Divine Emperor or a Theocratic Monarch who s beloved and feared by all and the center of your religion, and you turn your gaze south and brand people heretics, your people will probably join in.

I also feel it depends who your writing as, and if it makes sense. If your writing as some humorous fisherman, it probably doesn't matter, but if your writing as the sacred son of Gandhi and Buddha, i think people would listen. Its all relative and how you set up the story and backround of your nation. But Cultures can change quite quickly with things like defeats deaths, new kings, new technology....

 

[das]

Opinions are never stuck (although their changes indeed depend as much on the mod as on the player, even more so on the mod in fact although the player should feel free to TRY and change the opinions with propaganda, decrees and so forth, as a certain Chinese fanatic himself often did), as for Shalamari and Gorin they have querreled very often in the past and might do so in the future.

 

[alex994]

Swiss! Why did you post? The whole reason I had that discussion was to increase my post count to overtake you!

Not having the slightest clue who that Chinese Fanatic is with his propaganda and decrees, I stand fast in my opposition that the player has complete control over his people. Though I am saying by now it won't be as easy to change people's opinions as it was earlier in the fresh start. This is getting nowhere....

EDIT: There is nothing more scary, then an open minded liberal