GreyFox
Make it so ...
So you would rather just give away a 4k+ Education for a 2k+ Guilds?
LK130 - Ottomans, Monarchy, Balanced Map
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With WFYABTA I would give away 4K education for 2K guilds & 1K optics. I would skip the .1 K monotheism.
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1250 AD
I sell Shaka drama for $230. I give Gandhi gunpowder for banking and $490. That trade is marginal with our research rate, but I hate letting the AIs have a large block of cash.
I take advantage of our obscene cash position, and upgrade almost every unit we have. What is sad is we still rate 6th for military.
(IT) I really couldn't care less what Izzy thinks, so I decline her request for help versus India.
We could easily get the two border cities, we lack troops in the pipeline. I would like some replacement maces in the way.
1262 AD
(IT) Brennus beats us to economics. I thought we might have had a chance to the free GM.
1272 AD
(IT) I revolt to free market.
1304 AD
(IT) Even Brennus can get a request denied. I will not put Taj at risk over a demand.
Gandhi can't get a break. Ragnar just sign a peace treaty followed by Brennus declaring war.
1316 AD
Well we had better get a piece of the Indian action.
1322 AD
(IT) The junk AI city of Tonsberg flips to us. Since this city won't ever amount to much of anything, I disband it.
1328 AD
Our people are so happy about this a great general is born.
1334 AD
Our GG builds a military academy in Edirne. This city will really pump out troops now. We need a lot of new defenders to keep secure our new cities, but a lot more catapults.
I give Ragnar liberalism for music, optics, wm and $310.
(IT) We draw the horrid GA despite GE being very high odds.
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I left the troops unmoved in the newly captured cities to the Lukep can decide his attack path easier. IMHO our economy can support taking out all of Gandhi. That will require we keep the missionaries coming and get Confucianism and Judaism into all of the captured cities.
I am open to suggestions on what to do with our artist.
I am going for replaceable parts to get our forest tiles better production, get more income along the rivers, and give our workers something useful to do.
Hopefully we have a GA during the next turn set.
Roster
LKendter
Lukep (currently playing)
Admiral Kutzov (on deck)
GreyFox
Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.
Win target: Open, but I would like a domination win soon.
Planned wars - India, and eventually cleanup Shaka.
Small wonders
Heroic Epic - Edirne
Globe Theater - We are still searching for a site.
Wall Street - Unum,
Oxford -
Forbidden Palace -
National Epic - Ulundi
Iron Works -
1250 AD
I sell Shaka drama for $230. I give Gandhi gunpowder for banking and $490. That trade is marginal with our research rate, but I hate letting the AIs have a large block of cash.
I take advantage of our obscene cash position, and upgrade almost every unit we have. What is sad is we still rate 6th for military.
(IT) I really couldn't care less what Izzy thinks, so I decline her request for help versus India.
We could easily get the two border cities, we lack troops in the pipeline. I would like some replacement maces in the way.
1262 AD
(IT) Brennus beats us to economics. I thought we might have had a chance to the free GM.
1272 AD
(IT) I revolt to free market.
1304 AD
(IT) Even Brennus can get a request denied. I will not put Taj at risk over a demand.
Gandhi can't get a break. Ragnar just sign a peace treaty followed by Brennus declaring war.
1316 AD
Well we had better get a piece of the Indian action.
1322 AD
(IT) The junk AI city of Tonsberg flips to us. Since this city won't ever amount to much of anything, I disband it.
1328 AD
Our people are so happy about this a great general is born.
1334 AD
Our GG builds a military academy in Edirne. This city will really pump out troops now. We need a lot of new defenders to keep secure our new cities, but a lot more catapults.
I give Ragnar liberalism for music, optics, wm and $310.
(IT) We draw the horrid GA despite GE being very high odds.
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New Updates
I left the troops unmoved in the newly captured cities to the Lukep can decide his attack path easier. IMHO our economy can support taking out all of Gandhi. That will require we keep the missionaries coming and get Confucianism and Judaism into all of the captured cities.
I am open to suggestions on what to do with our artist.
I am going for replaceable parts to get our forest tiles better production, get more income along the rivers, and give our workers something useful to do.
Hopefully we have a GA during the next turn set.
Roster
LKendter
Lukep (currently playing)
Admiral Kutzov (on deck)
GreyFox
Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.
Win target: Open, but I would like a domination win soon.
Planned wars - India, and eventually cleanup Shaka.
Small wonders
Heroic Epic - Edirne
Globe Theater - We are still searching for a site.
Wall Street - Unum,
Oxford -
Forbidden Palace -
National Epic - Ulundi
Iron Works -
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Fine, this is your SG, have it your way.
I suggest using him to bring a major city (like Delhi) out of revolt.
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got it.
Dont know if i can play in the following 12H. If not i will play sunday evening
The artist can not(edit) lightbulb anything great (theo then divine right)
A great work in Bombay sounds good for me (double holy city with shrine)
Now, we have good chance of GA. That means very increased research.
But what Path ? we can choose :
- MT, the ever usefull cav. Ragnar has it on us
- Constitution for Dem. not a war path at all, but we can handle Ghandi with what we have i think. Janissary are a great unit
- Chemistry for grens, steel, railroad
- Rifling
I tend to favor the railroad path usually, but ragnar has already constitution on us, and i really like to have SoL.
Dont know if i can play in the following 12H. If not i will play sunday evening
The artist can not(edit) lightbulb anything great (theo then divine right)
A great work in Bombay sounds good for me (double holy city with shrine)
Now, we have good chance of GA. That means very increased research.
But what Path ? we can choose :
- MT, the ever usefull cav. Ragnar has it on us
- Constitution for Dem. not a war path at all, but we can handle Ghandi with what we have i think. Janissary are a great unit
- Chemistry for grens, steel, railroad
- Rifling
I tend to favor the railroad path usually, but ragnar has already constitution on us, and i really like to have SoL.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
@LK - dipping back a few posts, the GP went to sleep in case we joined the Indian war and needed it for a shrine in what I thought might be a newly conquered city.
cannons anyone?
So next targets are Bombay & Bangalore.
Both are Holy cities, so their fall will cripple Ghandi
Preflight
some MM. insert Hammam at Konya
Cancel corn to Isabella
Corn for fur and silk for incense with Fred
No interesting technology trade available (i dont want to help more Ragnar)
1358
Taj mahal in
start banks in erdine & umun
start bombardements of bombay&Bangalore
1364
Shaka and Brennus have 9 units near bangalore, defender are down to 3
I decide to not wait defense to be 0 by fear or loosing the city to someone else.
Lost 2 cats & 1 treb but take city. It come with Church of nativity and sixtine.
Nice, even if CoN is only worth 4g
1376
Shaka offer OB. no way punk
Madras is completky blocaded by Brennus
1388
I take Bombay, our artist makes a great work there
the 2 shrines are worth +24 gpt and come with market+grocer+bank+lighthouse+harbor
that means the city at 0% commerce makes +60gpt.
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comes with academy too
1394
Bad news : Ghandi capitulate to Brennus.
I stop there so that we can discuss the situation. Next player will then have 12 turns.
There is 4 turns left on our GA
We can go against shaka, Frederick or Isabella and wait for cannons
My main concern is that brennus & Ragnar are friendly with us, but also between them
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Both are Holy cities, so their fall will cripple Ghandi
Preflight
some MM. insert Hammam at Konya
Cancel corn to Isabella
Corn for fur and silk for incense with Fred
No interesting technology trade available (i dont want to help more Ragnar)
1358
Taj mahal in
start banks in erdine & umun
start bombardements of bombay&Bangalore
1364
Shaka and Brennus have 9 units near bangalore, defender are down to 3
I decide to not wait defense to be 0 by fear or loosing the city to someone else.
Lost 2 cats & 1 treb but take city. It come with Church of nativity and sixtine.
Nice, even if CoN is only worth 4g
1376
Shaka offer OB. no way punk
Madras is completky blocaded by Brennus
1388
I take Bombay, our artist makes a great work there
the 2 shrines are worth +24 gpt and come with market+grocer+bank+lighthouse+harbor
that means the city at 0% commerce makes +60gpt.
.comes with academy too
1394
Bad news : Ghandi capitulate to Brennus.
I stop there so that we can discuss the situation. Next player will then have 12 turns.
There is 4 turns left on our GA
We can go against shaka, Frederick or Isabella and wait for cannons
My main concern is that brennus & Ragnar are friendly with us, but also between them
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GreyFox
Make it so ...
I presume when Gandhi capitulated, peace has returned. I would say we go for Shaka, get rid of the annoying return to homeland yearning.
Good job on taking Bombay and Bangalore! We are now filthy rich
Good job on taking Bombay and Bangalore! We are now filthy rich
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I'll take a detailed look in the morning, but I suspect killing Shaka is the best short-term plan.
Fighting India and his master won't be an easy task, so we need time to build up before we consider any wars after Shaka.
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I think it is time to go on another trading binge. Printing press and liberalism to Brennus would give us constitution and $710. I would like to build a cash reserve to upgrade our high CR rated maces to rifles once we get the technology. We can give liberalism to Frederick for a bit lopsided theology and $730. I general hate letting the AIs having a large block of cash.
Bombay has a 9% chance of revolt. We need to stack that city with extra units, and build more culture now. It needs our state religion for a point of culture, and should build a theater first for even more culture. The theater would let us hire artist specialist to continue to convert that city to Ottoman. With $60 / turn in cash we can't afford a revolt in this city. Getting more culture this city is P1.
We are IMHO in builder mode until at least rifles. Let's get the cash for a mass upgrade to rifles.
We used up too much of our GA on military. I really like builder turns with the GA. With the war over, let us get back to buildings.
Roster
LKendter
Lukep
Admiral Kutzov (currently playing)
GreyFox (on deck)
Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.
Win target: Open, but I would like a domination win soon.
Planned wars - Eventually cleanup Shaka.
Small wonders
Heroic Epic - Edirne
Globe Theater - We are still searching for a site.
Wall Street - Unum,
Oxford -
Forbidden Palace -
National Epic - Ulundi
Iron Works -
I think it is time to go on another trading binge. Printing press and liberalism to Brennus would give us constitution and $710. I would like to build a cash reserve to upgrade our high CR rated maces to rifles once we get the technology. We can give liberalism to Frederick for a bit lopsided theology and $730. I general hate letting the AIs having a large block of cash.
Bombay has a 9% chance of revolt. We need to stack that city with extra units, and build more culture now. It needs our state religion for a point of culture, and should build a theater first for even more culture. The theater would let us hire artist specialist to continue to convert that city to Ottoman. With $60 / turn in cash we can't afford a revolt in this city. Getting more culture this city is P1.
We are IMHO in builder mode until at least rifles. Let's get the cash for a mass upgrade to rifles.
We used up too much of our GA on military. I really like builder turns with the GA. With the war over, let us get back to buildings.
Roster
LKendter
Lukep
Admiral Kutzov (currently playing)
GreyFox (on deck)
Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.
Win target: Open, but I would like a domination win soon.
Planned wars - Eventually cleanup Shaka.
Small wonders
Heroic Epic - Edirne
Globe Theater - We are still searching for a site.
Wall Street - Unum,
Oxford -
Forbidden Palace -
National Epic - Ulundi
Iron Works -
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
I have it. will not be able to get to it until monday night. Building cash and buildings while not neglecting the defense...
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
Well, I can't count, but you already knew that.
Preflight: I change the 2 merchants in Bombay to priests for the extra culture. I also change the library to a theatre for the same reason. I move the healing troops in as well. We're building a helluva lot of troops all over and I feel somewhat uneasy as I make lots of changes in the city builds (maybe violating some SG rule that goes back to Civ3 or before).
Religion spread:
Intend to whip some culture in Bang (nee Bangalore) in 4 turns when it comes out of revolt.
Trade PP + Lib to Brenny for the aforementioned Constitution, 710g + WM. Trade Lib to Freddy for Theo + 730g. I will try to further Confuse Freddy as too few of his peeps follow our religion to convert. Decide to build monestaries into Istanbul for additional beakers.
Decide Bula is the rally point for the coming war with Shaka. Move lots of stone throwers in that direction.
1400: Gandhi and Freddie adopt free religion. what's next, free love? Bella adopts US.
1406: Gandhi offers DR +500g for Constitution. Ain't happening. chem -> cannons in 7 or rifles in 6. AI will research rifles so cannons in 7. Ragnar has corporation. Whip theatre in Bombay. Whip monestary in Jaipur.
1418: Bella offers to open herbloomers borders. Since Brenny is annoyed with her, ain't happening. Whip theatre in Bang.
1424: Freddie offers to trade whales for ivory. when in doubt, check F4. Brenny is cautious towards Freddy. Shaka is annoyed. Sell Freddy ivory for whales and 4 gpt. Gandhi wants open borders. He's nowhere near as cute as Bella, so ain't happening (this will be a recurring theme).
FP in Bula? Just a random thought.
Whip Christian Monestary in Bang. Bombay becomes Confused.
1430: Gandhi demands we cancel deals with Ragnar. Dude, you're a vassal, chill.
1436; Bella demands we cancel deals with Brenny. ain't happening. GT in uMgun*? Prolly not enough food. Another random thought. Ragnar has RP. Therefore RP + theo to Brenny for WM, 100g, Corp.
1442: Munich resists the call of the Confused and fails to allow it's spread.
1448: Ragnar has rifles.
1454: Steel -> Steam. whip Lib in Bang
1460: nada
1466: Gandhi demands Constitution. no.
I wanted to stop with 360 turns left. I miscounted. lots of siege engines in Bula.
Grenadiers in the pipeline. War with Shaka soon. Gandhi has the Spiral Minaret. There may be a missionary on a goto. No useful advice to offer other than upgrade the cats and go get shaka. I kept spreading the religions. Bombay sings for a Con. academy for the kulture.
It feels wierd. We haven't really used the UB and we're at 100% science. Made me too uneasy to play 17 turns. So over to the next (much) better player, GreyFox, to even out the turns since I can't count.
Long term, maybe get brenny and raganar at war? We'd have to choose one to support.
as usual.
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*@GF, please rename this Unum
guilty of using the whip excessively. thought it was called for. seems to be one of the few principles of C3 that carried over; reduce the native population and then repopulate.
Preflight: I change the 2 merchants in Bombay to priests for the extra culture. I also change the library to a theatre for the same reason. I move the healing troops in as well. We're building a helluva lot of troops all over and I feel somewhat uneasy as I make lots of changes in the city builds (maybe violating some SG rule that goes back to Civ3 or before).
Religion spread:
Intend to whip some culture in Bang (nee Bangalore) in 4 turns when it comes out of revolt.
Trade PP + Lib to Brenny for the aforementioned Constitution, 710g + WM. Trade Lib to Freddy for Theo + 730g. I will try to further Confuse Freddy as too few of his peeps follow our religion to convert. Decide to build monestaries into Istanbul for additional beakers.
Decide Bula is the rally point for the coming war with Shaka. Move lots of stone throwers in that direction.
1400: Gandhi and Freddie adopt free religion. what's next, free love? Bella adopts US.
1406: Gandhi offers DR +500g for Constitution. Ain't happening. chem -> cannons in 7 or rifles in 6. AI will research rifles so cannons in 7. Ragnar has corporation. Whip theatre in Bombay. Whip monestary in Jaipur.
1418: Bella offers to open her
1424: Freddie offers to trade whales for ivory. when in doubt, check F4. Brenny is cautious towards Freddy. Shaka is annoyed. Sell Freddy ivory for whales and 4 gpt. Gandhi wants open borders. He's nowhere near as cute as Bella, so ain't happening (this will be a recurring theme).
FP in Bula? Just a random thought.
Whip Christian Monestary in Bang. Bombay becomes Confused.
1430: Gandhi demands we cancel deals with Ragnar. Dude, you're a vassal, chill.
1436; Bella demands we cancel deals with Brenny. ain't happening. GT in uMgun*? Prolly not enough food. Another random thought. Ragnar has RP. Therefore RP + theo to Brenny for WM, 100g, Corp.
1442: Munich resists the call of the Confused and fails to allow it's spread.
1448: Ragnar has rifles.
1454: Steel -> Steam. whip Lib in Bang
1460: nada
1466: Gandhi demands Constitution. no.
I wanted to stop with 360 turns left. I miscounted. lots of siege engines in Bula.
Grenadiers in the pipeline. War with Shaka soon. Gandhi has the Spiral Minaret. There may be a missionary on a goto. No useful advice to offer other than upgrade the cats and go get shaka. I kept spreading the religions. Bombay sings for a Con. academy for the kulture.
It feels wierd. We haven't really used the UB and we're at 100% science. Made me too uneasy to play 17 turns. So over to the next (much) better player, GreyFox, to even out the turns since I can't count.
Long term, maybe get brenny and raganar at war? We'd have to choose one to support.
as usual. http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/11866/LK130_AD-1466.CivWarlordsSave
*@GF, please rename this Unum
guilty of using the whip excessively. thought it was called for. seems to be one of the few principles of C3 that carried over; reduce the native population and then repopulate.
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If all of the whipping was former Indian cities, then we can't be excessive. I also like to whip away the motherland whiners to get some cultural buildings to further weakien the motherland whiners.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
It was. Really think we need to upgrade those cats.
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Don't forget Shaka has a 7 unit stack by Bangalore. We have enough to attack in the south, but have nothing in the east to deal with this stack.
If we get a GS, I vote for an academy. A GA may be best to culture bomb our double shrine city again to get more pressure off. A GE can wait for the next yummy wonder.
I love the fact that we are already #1 for pop and land before taking out the remnants of the Zulu. Since we are at 100% science running positive cash flow I think we can handle 3 more cities.
Since the team agrees on domination do we want iron works in Edirne? That would be good for an absurd troop pump. The only good alternative I see would be Istanbul. If we go that route our next GG would build a MA in Istanbul.
Scientific Method isn't that far away. Let's make sure we have some
Roster
LKendter (on deck)
Lukep
Admiral Kutzov
Let's agree on the Iron Works location before GF plays.
GreyFox (currently playing)
Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.
Win target: Open, but I would like a domination win soon.
Planned wars - Eventually cleanup Shaka.
Small wonders
Heroic Epic - Edirne
Globe Theater - We are still searching for a site.
Wall Street - Unum
Oxford -
Forbidden Palace -
National Epic - Ulundi
Iron Works -
Don't forget Shaka has a 7 unit stack by Bangalore. We have enough to attack in the south, but have nothing in the east to deal with this stack.
If we get a GS, I vote for an academy. A GA may be best to culture bomb our double shrine city again to get more pressure off. A GE can wait for the next yummy wonder.
I love the fact that we are already #1 for pop and land before taking out the remnants of the Zulu. Since we are at 100% science running positive cash flow I think we can handle 3 more cities.
Since the team agrees on domination do we want iron works in Edirne? That would be good for an absurd troop pump. The only good alternative I see would be Istanbul. If we go that route our next GG would build a MA in Istanbul.
Scientific Method isn't that far away. Let's make sure we have some
Roster
LKendter (on deck)
Lukep
Admiral Kutzov
Let's agree on the Iron Works location before GF plays.
GreyFox (currently playing)
Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.
Win target: Open, but I would like a domination win soon.
Planned wars - Eventually cleanup Shaka.
Small wonders
Heroic Epic - Edirne
Globe Theater - We are still searching for a site.
Wall Street - Unum
Oxford -
Forbidden Palace -
National Epic - Ulundi
Iron Works -
GreyFox
Make it so ...
OK, got it, I will play tomorrow night for some agreement on IW location.
Anyway, what is Shaka doing with a stack at Bangalore
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I am not too sure abt Ironworks in Edirne. Ideally we should have a second production city ... that's where I would put the IW. Erdine should take Westpoint, plus the extra unhealthiness may not be something Edirne can handle. I need to look at the save to propose an alternative. Will do so tonight.
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don't you mean west?
Anyway, what is Shaka doing with a stack at Bangalore
?I am not too sure abt Ironworks in Edirne. Ideally we should have a second production city ... that's where I would put the IW. Erdine should take Westpoint, plus the extra unhealthiness may not be something Edirne can handle. I need to look at the save to propose an alternative. Will do so tonight.
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Anyway, what is Shaka doing with a stack at Bangalore
IIRC Shaka was part of the Indian love fest.
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Agreed that Bula looks like a monster, but it does not have sufficient food pre-biology, (even with the corn). One or two of the mines will have to be changed to windmills pre-biology. But yes, we should probably build IW in Bula or Erdine.
Forbidden Palace should be built in yet-to-be-captured Nobamba, since we would be unlikely to take on Brennus soon ... so our war effort would most likely go southward into Germany.
Nobamba seems like a good candidate for the Globe as well.
As to Shaka's stack near Bang(alore), moving the 3 knights+ 1 janissary down from Bombay should be sufficient. But we do not have forces in the south to eliminate Shaka ... so probably I will be building up our forces down there and pass the save to Lee for the declaration.
Will play tomorrow night.
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Forbidden Palace should be built in yet-to-be-captured Nobamba, since we would be unlikely to take on Brennus soon ... so our war effort would most likely go southward into Germany.
Nobamba seems like a good candidate for the Globe as well.
As to Shaka's stack near Bang(alore), moving the 3 knights+ 1 janissary down from Bombay should be sufficient. But we do not have forces in the south to eliminate Shaka ... so probably I will be building up our forces down there and pass the save to Lee for the declaration.
Will play tomorrow night.
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