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I didn't even see Ulundi. I guess the fact that the borders didn't expand yet hid this one during my turn set.
National Epic is planned for Ulundi.
LK130 - Ottomans, Monarchy, Balanced Map
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National Epic is planned for Ulundi.
Glad we agree on some things (GP farm).
Inherited turn
assessing situation. we are doing rather ok.
Still a bit low on GNP and in the middle of the pack for power.
India is not yet running away, but GL + Parthenon for Ghandi is problematic.
On the diplomatic front, it is very good with Brennus and Ragnar Annoyed with Ghandi and pleased with us
MM a bit. nothing bad, just matter of taste i suppose.
Umun is bit short on food to work its 4 mines.
send maces and a cat for barb city.
890 AD
ulundi -> market
905 AD
trade with Brennus silk for 7 GPT
920 AD
Paper -> Education
Heroic Epic built in Erdine -> start a Mace
935 AD
Ankara Start missionary spamming
Ulundi start NE
950 AD
Erdine -> longbow
965 AD
Brennus want world map exchange. i accept
Ragnar want us to convert. I refuse but he stay pleased
bulawayo lib -> courthouse
980 AD
Brenus want our jumbos for bananas. I refuse.
erdine start mace
Umun start Market
Polynesian (the north barb city) is size 6 so i will take and keep it
995 AD
Bursa start a longbow
first missionary sent to Ragnar
1010 AD
Market done in Istambul, start University of Sankore
We have nothing really urgent to do here, and it is a rather nice wonder.
due in 16
konia start a market
kwa start a jewish mis
Frederick convert to budhism, we will need to missu spam him too
1025 AD
Erdine start market
polynesian is our, got 143g + 1 worker. Lost a mace at 78% odds
start theatre there
1040 AD
Ragnar ask drama i refuse; he drops to cautious
second missionary sent to his land
we stole copper mine from Brennus in Umun. ETA for market drops by 7 turns
tonsberg is at 0% Viking !!!
1055 AD
Bursa start cat
1070 AD
Ulundi finish NE start courthouse
bulawayo start a forge
1085 AD
Frederick want paper for compass, i refuse, but education is due in 6 so maybe not so bad
1100 AD
Ankara start a cat
first missu convert Nidaros to confucianism
situation :
our GNP is still average, but we are doing very well on the mfg & crop yeld front
our power stagnated a bit, so we should build a bit more units
Education is due in 4, but we still dont have philosophy. We have paper on all. Several civs have guild and engeneering on us
I did not switch to Caste system yet, as with 3 specialists, we can still grow.
I think we can wait and switch at the same time to pacifism if we dont want to go war yet
Notes
There is one missionary headed for ragnar land (no specific city assigned yet)
A second missu is going to Erdine. From there, he can go either to Ragnar or Frederick land.
The maces who have taken the barb city are headed to the rally point near Erdine
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Inherited turn
assessing situation. we are doing rather ok.
Still a bit low on GNP and in the middle of the pack for power.
India is not yet running away, but GL + Parthenon for Ghandi is problematic.
On the diplomatic front, it is very good with Brennus and Ragnar Annoyed with Ghandi and pleased with us
MM a bit. nothing bad, just matter of taste i suppose.
Umun is bit short on food to work its 4 mines.
send maces and a cat for barb city.
890 AD
ulundi -> market
905 AD
trade with Brennus silk for 7 GPT
920 AD
Paper -> Education
Heroic Epic built in Erdine -> start a Mace
935 AD
Ankara Start missionary spamming
Ulundi start NE
950 AD
Erdine -> longbow
965 AD
Brennus want world map exchange. i accept
Ragnar want us to convert. I refuse but he stay pleased
bulawayo lib -> courthouse
980 AD
Brenus want our jumbos for bananas. I refuse.
erdine start mace
Umun start Market
Polynesian (the north barb city) is size 6 so i will take and keep it
995 AD
Bursa start a longbow
first missionary sent to Ragnar
1010 AD
Market done in Istambul, start University of Sankore
We have nothing really urgent to do here, and it is a rather nice wonder.
due in 16
konia start a market
kwa start a jewish mis
Frederick convert to budhism, we will need to missu spam him too
1025 AD
Erdine start market
polynesian is our, got 143g + 1 worker. Lost a mace at 78% odds
start theatre there
1040 AD
Ragnar ask drama i refuse; he drops to cautious
second missionary sent to his land
we stole copper mine from Brennus in Umun. ETA for market drops by 7 turns
tonsberg is at 0% Viking !!!
1055 AD
Bursa start cat
1070 AD
Ulundi finish NE start courthouse
bulawayo start a forge
1085 AD
Frederick want paper for compass, i refuse, but education is due in 6 so maybe not so bad
1100 AD
Ankara start a cat
first missu convert Nidaros to confucianism
situation :
our GNP is still average, but we are doing very well on the mfg & crop yeld front
our power stagnated a bit, so we should build a bit more units
Education is due in 4, but we still dont have philosophy. We have paper on all. Several civs have guild and engeneering on us
I did not switch to Caste system yet, as with 3 specialists, we can still grow.
I think we can wait and switch at the same time to pacifism if we dont want to go war yet
Notes
There is one missionary headed for ragnar land (no specific city assigned yet)
A second missu is going to Erdine. From there, he can go either to Ragnar or Frederick land.
The maces who have taken the barb city are headed to the rally point near Erdine
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/109490/LK130_AD-1100.CivWarlordsSave
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I wonder if there is a city further south that could do this. With the limit of 3 missionaries travel time can add up.
Did we have a monopoly on drama? Drama is such a cheap tech that I hate to take the diplomatic hit for refusing us. With Ragnar caring so little about religion converting him won't help much on the diplomatic front.
Only Gandhi has it on us, and Ragnar will sure not trade with him. That's why i refused. And he is far away, that is some safety.
Now i'm a bit concerned about our plans for the next 2 turnsets or so.
We need to define a good plan. We are on our way to liberalism but have some choices to make
We can go pacifism for the GP farm heading to constitution. peaceful game.
We should be able to drive everybody against Ghandi eventually.
We can retool our army (cav have my preference vieving the situation) for going against shaka or preferably gandhi.
We have a good ally with Brennus, the question is how to leverage him the best.
Isabella is backward so cause little problem
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
I haven't opened up the save, but the next set (at least) looks like set up for war turns.
The questions:
1: If we are going to war, with whom and when?
2. How do we leverage celtic goodwill?
3.
This is not a got it. LK will tell me when I should got it.
If Cos is AWOL, I'd like a list of three things to do for my set (from highest to lowest in order of priority). I'm comfortable with any strat, would just like agreement.
The questions:
1: If we are going to war, with whom and when?
2. How do we leverage celtic goodwill?
3.
what are we willing to give up for these?
This is not a got it. LK will tell me when I should got it.
If Cos is AWOL, I'd like a list of three things to do for my set (from highest to lowest in order of priority). I'm comfortable with any strat, would just like agreement.
GreyFox
Make it so ...
I think it is pretty obvious we want to finish off Shaka ... use him to get experience on our troops. Next target I vote for Gandhi.
The best to do is to have Brennus join us in war with Gandhi.
However, before we can start the India campaign, we need Engineering.
I am fine with a peaceful route, but prefer a war path.
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The best to do is to have Brennus join us in war with Gandhi.
However, before we can start the India campaign, we need Engineering.
I am fine with a peaceful route, but prefer a war path.
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Since for once I have a nation with a strong economy, and decent production
my vote is for
Can you say domination? I knew you could...
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I see no use for finishing of Shaka soon. Gandhi is our only threat IMHO, and the sooner we deal with him the better. In addition, I can't believe the jerk still won't talk to us. In addition, Madras looks like a nice location for the FP.
If we get a GM I would like to perform a long distance trade route and upgrade multiple axes to improve our power rating.
Another GP is pretty limited in value. He would research monotheism, then theology. Neither of those techs are worth burning a GP over. My vote would be to settle in Edirne. We will be building income multipliers, and that gives us another 5 bucks a turn. The extra hammers would work well with Heroic Epic, as that gives 5 shields for building military units (with the forge).
Short-term I see continued build up turns. We still need replacement defenders. Having a CR2 axe stuck in Polynesian, and a bunch of elephants defending Shaka's borders isn't efficient.
I see no reason to deviate from the standard nationalism grab with liberalism.
The odds are we WILL get University of Sankore; so building some Confucian temples would be nice.
We are assimilation the former Zulu cities nicely. Can we sneak in some more culture buildings to speed things up?
Roster
LKendter
Lukep
Cosmichail (skipped x 2 - heading toward dropped)
Admiral Kutzov (currently playing)
GreyFox (on deck)
Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.
Win target: Open, but I would like a domination win soon.
Planned wars - None
Small wonders
Heroic Epic - Edirne
Globe Theater - Still searching for a site.
Wall Street - Edirne - I realize WS and HE is a weird combo, but the Confucian shrine is our cash cow.
Oxford -
Forbidden Palace -
National Epic - Ulundi
Iron Works -
I see no use for finishing of Shaka soon. Gandhi is our only threat IMHO, and the sooner we deal with him the better. In addition, I can't believe the jerk still won't talk to us. In addition, Madras looks like a nice location for the FP.
If we get a GM I would like to perform a long distance trade route and upgrade multiple axes to improve our power rating.
Another GP is pretty limited in value. He would research monotheism, then theology. Neither of those techs are worth burning a GP over. My vote would be to settle in Edirne. We will be building income multipliers, and that gives us another 5 bucks a turn. The extra hammers would work well with Heroic Epic, as that gives 5 shields for building military units (with the forge).
Short-term I see continued build up turns. We still need replacement defenders. Having a CR2 axe stuck in Polynesian, and a bunch of elephants defending Shaka's borders isn't efficient.
I see no reason to deviate from the standard nationalism grab with liberalism.
The odds are we WILL get University of Sankore; so building some Confucian temples would be nice.
We are assimilation the former Zulu cities nicely. Can we sneak in some more culture buildings to speed things up?
Roster
LKendter
Lukep
Cosmichail (skipped x 2 - heading toward dropped)
Admiral Kutzov (currently playing)
GreyFox (on deck)
Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.
Win target: Open, but I would like a domination win soon.
Planned wars - None
Small wonders
Heroic Epic - Edirne
Globe Theater - Still searching for a site.
Wall Street - Edirne - I realize WS and HE is a weird combo, but the Confucian shrine is our cash cow.
Oxford -
Forbidden Palace -
National Epic - Ulundi
Iron Works -
i agree with all points LK gave.
A small remark, with the confucian shrine and UoA in if we get the latter, spreading confucianism is even more a priority, and we should build a lot of monastery there.
If we go domination, i would place WS in Umun which is almost as good cash cow, and put either WP or imho better ironworks in Erdine
A small remark, with the confucian shrine and UoA in if we get the latter, spreading confucianism is even more a priority, and we should build a lot of monastery there.
If we go domination, i would place WS in Umun which is almost as good cash cow, and put either WP or imho better ironworks in Erdine
Admiral Kutzov
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Got it. play tonight or tomorrow
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We plan to Confuse the world, while Jewish is limited to inside our borders. How do you figure Umun is almost as good?
I would like to resolve this idea soon, as my priest merge plans were based also on where the future home of WS would be.
Well, i'm at work, but last time i checked, jewish was more spread outside our borders than conf, so when we spread conf outside and jew inside, it should amount to roughly same result.
More, the land in Umun yeld more coins i think.
Someone will have to check this, as i wont be able to do till a few hours.
And the WP-ironworks combo is yummy for late game if it last that long
More, the land in Umun yeld more coins i think.
Someone will have to check this, as i wont be able to do till a few hours.
And the WP-ironworks combo is yummy for late game if it last that long
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Good point on the terrain. Edrine can't really support cottages, and if there is any spare food we should build workshops to maximize the HE.
If Umun can support several cottages, then I agree to move WS there. This would make we want to merge the prophet into Umun so that we can double the prophet cash with WS, and build WS faster.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
The only preflight note of mention is that Christianity was founded in Bangalore.
1106:
dye to Bella for 7gpt
dye to Ragnar for 7gpt
stone to Freddie for 7gpt
Gandhi finishes Notre Dame and founds Islam in Karachi
Nothing significant until 1124 when we get educated. Start Phil. Ragnar has guns. Science increased to 90% (+4 gpt)
Bella demanded corn in 1130 and I said okay. That same year, a GP popped in Instanbul and he is currently sleeping. Gandhi is willing to trade, but won't talk?
1154:
Phil -> Lib
1160:
Sankore finishes. Whip the Colossus in Ankara. It will come back in time for gunpowder.
1184:
I'm stopping here and ceding one turn to GF. I can't see stopping mid-turn, coming back and finishing.
I'm not sure what happened; everything was humming along when Bella and Ragnar declared on Gandhi. A few cities went unhappy and I'm not sure why. IIRC we had no deals with Gandhi and I didn't see any border pops that caused the loss of a resource.
Ragnar still has the monopoloy on guns and has added Nationalism yet he doesn't have paper. I stopped here in anticipation that we'll be asked to join the war next turn. There are some cats and maces ready to do so. If we take Kolhapur, we have a straight shot to Delhi which cripples Gandhi. Thing is we'd need to switch to war setting and whip some units; I've been in builder mode.
Marked a possible future city site. There's an incoming barb archer in the east as well; no problem. Our religions have spread.
If you want the detailed builds, please advise.
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1106:
dye to Bella for 7gpt
dye to Ragnar for 7gpt
stone to Freddie for 7gpt
Gandhi finishes Notre Dame and founds Islam in Karachi
Nothing significant until 1124 when we get educated. Start Phil. Ragnar has guns. Science increased to 90% (+4 gpt)
Bella demanded corn in 1130 and I said okay. That same year, a GP popped in Instanbul and he is currently sleeping. Gandhi is willing to trade, but won't talk?
1154:
Phil -> Lib
1160:
Sankore finishes. Whip the Colossus in Ankara. It will come back in time for gunpowder.
1184:
I'm stopping here and ceding one turn to GF. I can't see stopping mid-turn, coming back and finishing.
I'm not sure what happened; everything was humming along when Bella and Ragnar declared on Gandhi. A few cities went unhappy and I'm not sure why. IIRC we had no deals with Gandhi and I didn't see any border pops that caused the loss of a resource.
Ragnar still has the monopoloy on guns and has added Nationalism yet he doesn't have paper. I stopped here in anticipation that we'll be asked to join the war next turn. There are some cats and maces ready to do so. If we take Kolhapur, we have a straight shot to Delhi which cripples Gandhi. Thing is we'd need to switch to war setting and whip some units; I've been in builder mode.
Marked a possible future city site. There's an incoming barb archer in the east as well; no problem. Our religions have spread.
If you want the detailed builds, please advise.
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Why? I thought it was clear the plan was to settle him in Umun provided the city will support some cottages.
One of my pet peeves with SGs is sleeping great people. Unless they are waiting for a specific event such as a GE rushing a wonder that will be available in a few turns, all GP should be used now.
IMHO our cities are way too high of population to justify the whip. Even though we were in building mode, wasn't Erdrine pumping out units?
Sounds good, and we need to keep this up. I don't like the fact that the Buddhist block is now the largest. We need to keep getting Confucianism out there.
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Please wake St. John and send him to uMgun turn 0.
I looked at the game, and I vote again war with India if asked.
I am guessing the Confucian Monastery in Edirne is to take advantage of UoS. I don't want to have our HE cities building missionaries. We need to get this city back in military mode to free up elephants as defends down by Shaka's borders.
Roster
LKendter (on deck)
Lukep
Admiral Kutzov
GreyFox (currently playing)
Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.
Win target: Open, but I would like a domination win soon.
Planned wars - None
Small wonders
Heroic Epic - Edirne
Globe Theater - We are still searching for a site.
Wall Street - Unum
Oxford -
Forbidden Palace -
National Epic - Ulundi
Iron Works -
Please wake St. John and send him to uMgun turn 0.
I looked at the game, and I vote again war with India if asked.
I am guessing the Confucian Monastery in Edirne is to take advantage of UoS. I don't want to have our HE cities building missionaries. We need to get this city back in military mode to free up elephants as defends down by Shaka's borders.
Roster
LKendter (on deck)
Lukep
Admiral Kutzov
GreyFox (currently playing)
Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.
Win target: Open, but I would like a domination win soon.
Planned wars - None
Small wonders
Heroic Epic - Edirne
Globe Theater - We are still searching for a site.
Wall Street - Unum
Oxford -
Forbidden Palace -
National Epic - Ulundi
Iron Works -
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Got it ... ... most probably playing tonight (12hrs from now)
GreyFox
Make it so ...
First order of business:
I had also reassigned some units to go to unhappy cities (eg warrior and axe that are fortified near borders).
After that is pretty much pressing enter until the faithful year of 1208 AD.
No, sorry to disappoint you warmongers, but it is not the horn that sounded. That is the year we got liberated ... so to speak.
With liberalism in our bag, I proceed to trade education.
And that allows me to revolt to OR. Most of our cities are building infrastructure, plus we don't need to rely on city with monasteries for our grand money-generating plans.
I have two stacks near Gandhi's border. One is maces+cats, the other maces+trebs. Strange enough, Ragnar did not ask for our help. I think we should enter the war on our own. We should be ready some where in Lee's turnset.
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I had also reassigned some units to go to unhappy cities (eg warrior and axe that are fortified near borders).
After that is pretty much pressing enter until the faithful year of 1208 AD.
No, sorry to disappoint you warmongers, but it is not the horn that sounded. That is the year we got liberated ... so to speak.
With liberalism in our bag, I proceed to trade education.
And that allows me to revolt to OR. Most of our cities are building infrastructure, plus we don't need to rely on city with monasteries for our grand money-generating plans.
I have two stacks near Gandhi's border. One is maces+cats, the other maces+trebs. Strange enough, Ragnar did not ask for our help. I think we should enter the war on our own. We should be ready some where in Lee's turnset.
>>> The Save (1250AD) <<<
