templar_x
usually walks his talks
Memento, the idea was that we do gpt-deals with the Eagles. no loss then.
t_x
t_x
Interesting, what does this plan look like? The last thing I heard, before the Anarchos told us they will go to war with us!, is that we shall engage into a space race with a scientific civ. Not too convincing for me, I am sorry.
So if you want anyone, or at least me, to reconsider, you will have to draw me a picture where we do not let the Anarchie win, because I do not want d7 to stay in this game for too much longer, and how we will win together with them.
But which great help are you talking about they would get from us to take over their continent?
The Anarchos will realize that they have no alternative to this plan, because they know as well as we do, that it does not make sense for them to attack our Numideans... So if they don't want to loose too much ground towards us, they will have to follow suite and try to conquer ground on the other continent, just as agreed in the "alliance". (And I think I know d7 good enough to see, that exactly this is his big plan.)
Then we send stacks of MI+Numideans (or Knights) over and capture the Küche quickly. The Anarchos will at the same time attack the Eagles.
Rep + Lit will give the Eagles a huge population, production and research advantage over the Küche. They will be able to attack the weakest nation, while we are stuck on our continent with a quite strong opponent.
No, I said it will benefit them in empire growth and research! So in mid-term (of course not short-term; everything I said above is to be taken mid-term or even long-term), they'll have MI/Pikes, when the Küche is not ready for them.however, this is not what you claim. you say it benefits them militarily, which won´t be true until they reach the MA and can build MIs and pikes.
2. when we start the first planning for the joint invasion, we will just take it for granted that we go south while they go north. We just make it appear so "natural", that they don't even think about that point.
No, I said it will benefit them in empire growth and research! So in mid-term (of course not short-term; everything I said above is to be taken mid-term or even long-term), they'll have MI/Pikes, when the Küche is not ready for them.
Otherwise I just say that all your points 1-3 are wrong and my view of them is right...
1. is right, because this is how they geared their entire game, from choosing their initial research path (Iron instead of Philo) up to their alliance proposal right when they met us.
2. when we start the first planning for the joint invasion, we will just take it for granted that we go south while they go north. We just make it appear so "natural", that they don't even think about that point.
3. and this is simply right. I do not need to tell you, how powerful Republic is. The Küche has neither CoL nor Rep, and if they have to research that by themselves, the Eagles will easily have 30-40 turns advantage over them. Enough to blow them (Küche) out of the water when they (Eagles) reach Feudalism.
If d7 will think realistically no way to fight vs dormons on another continent. Things depend on geography but anyway... If we will not cooperate with Eagles they will cooperate with Kuhe. Our advantage not that big and UUs not that good to ensure invasion.1.although this is still the likeliest of your assumptions, it is by no means a sure thing. other topics which we would have believed no sane person could see otherwise (agree on a settlement plan, build up useful core towns...) were matters of big arguments with d7+co.Quote:
The Anarchos will realize that they have no alternative to this plan, because they know as well as we do, that it does not make sense for them to attack our Numideans... So if they don't want to loose too much ground towards us, they will have to follow suite and try to conquer ground on the other continent, just as agreed in the "alliance". (And I think I know d7 good enough to see, that exactly this is his big plan.)
2.
i cannot see the slightest reason to automatically assume it will be that way. our faster ships even may be an argument why WE should attack the Eagles that are slightly farther away. however, in fact they are not, only their end of the continent does lie farther away from the sea passage.Quote:
Then we send stacks of MI+Numideans (or Knights) over and capture the Küche quickly. The Anarchos will at the same time attack the Eagles.
If Eagles accept t-x conditions they will be ripped by gpt and will be very weak for long period. That's why I am afraid they will decline t-x offer. I think they will reply with counter-proposal, that we consider...3.
this is simply wrong. if they use their advantage from Rep+Lit for research, they will militarily only benefit VERY LITTLE. to be precise, directly only by the lower corruption, and indirectly by the higher pop growth. for the first, they of course have to compensate the loss of the period of revolution before you can call it an advantage. this is not trivial.Quote:
Rep + Lit will give the Eagles a huge population, production and research advantage over the Küche. They will be able to attack the weakest nation, while we are stuck on our continent with a quite strong opponent.
it would be different if they would choose NOT to research, but upgrade/rush units with tax money. this would bring them into the position to overrun Küche, but it would not help them keep up with us, or overtake us.
however, this is not what you claim. you say it benefits them militarily, which won´t be true until they reach the MA and can build MIs and pikes.
we don´t need a big invasion. 1st a little invasion is enough to slow them down enough.If we will not cooperate with Eagles they will cooperate with Kuhe. Our advantage not that big and UUs not that good to ensure invasion.
Where full text of Alliance exists?(- Sign as is, but don't take seriously
- Make counter-proposal
- Tell them: no alliance, but only "research plan + trades", because they are too slow..
a) please read through my detailed posts and emails for this. while i am aware that nearly no one replied to them, but i am still not ready to formulate everything again.
We have a plan, and even a majority for it, only you do not like it and thus still seem a bit distracted.
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