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[Captain2]

To:World
From:The Russian Empire

We would like to propose an open China policy, in which no country shall colonize or disrupt trade with China

 

[Kal'thzar]

Britian Formerly guarantees Russias territorial integrity in East Asia

 

[sp1023]

Orders received?

THe hellenic rEpublic is pout of this.

 

[Shadowbound]

To:World
From:The Russian Empire

We would like to propose an open China policy, in which no country shall colonize or disrupt trade with China

Mexico supports this, and believes a free market in China is to the advantage of late-comers like itself who want to outsource stuff to it.

 

[sp1023]

The Hellenic Republic has no objection, as we most likely won't be able to trade with them, unless granted access thru the Red sea.

 

[carmen510]

Even then, what would the Hellenic Republic trade? I'm pretty sure Asian cooking doesn't need olives or olive oil, just as Greece doesn't need rice.

 

[silver 2039]

T0 Russian Empire
From Empire of Japan

Japan strongly opposes on Open Policy in China, such is unacceptable for nations such as ourselves who already possess spheres of influence in China.

 

[Fuschia]

To: The World
From: The Prussian Union

The Prussian Union completely rejects the idea of an Open China policy, for two reasons:

1) It is demeaning to those who already have influence in China. It is little more than a method of late-comers to steal the influence of nations who saw the value of China first and invested in it first.

2) It is demeaning to the Chinese people. It implies that they are incapable of defending their own interests and, indeed, suggests that they might not have any; to do this would be to have the whole world look at China as an infant to be helped, rather than a true ally or trade partner.

3) The only purpose of such a policy is to continue Qing China's economic dependence on foreign investment. The nations currently involved in China wish to end this, especially the Empire of Russia, for which we commend them, regardless of their attempt to push this policy.

As the Prussian Union currently has little influence in China, we would hope our opinion might carry a great deal of weight when it comes to this criminal "Open China" policy.


OOC: I am waiting for responses to a pair of diplos I just sent. When they are in, I will send my orders.

 

[carmen510]

Two more days, I'm getting excited/restless.

From Switzerland
To the World

We do not particularly care about Open China Policy, but this is an issue for many nations surrounding us so:

No.

Mainly for the reasons Prussia has stated above.

Plus, disrupting trade could assume trading itself. If Germany for example trades with China, then France has less to get from China. This could count as disrupting trade. So in order to prevent trade disruption, we would need to end it.

 

[Kal'thzar]

we fail to see why Prussia takes the time now to make such a statement, the USA and the British Empire have had this open China policy for awhile now, we have invested in China, to a great extent, the possible problem being of course that is someone was to invade and annex these regions into an Empire (meaning that Free trade does not exist within these areas) then Good British Peoples investment is for naught, and secondly which century are you from, because you seem to have rather strange views of the Chineese...

 

[Fuschia]

we fail to see why Prussia takes the time now to make such a statement, the USA and the British Empire have had this open China policy for awhile now, we have invested in China, to a great extent, the possible problem being of course that is someone was to invade and annex these regions into an Empire (meaning that Free trade does not exist within these areas) then Good British Peoples investment is for naught, and secondly which century are you from, because you seem to have rather strange views of the Chineese...

The Prussian Union fails to see why the United Kingdom does not recognize that, while its own policy towards China is fine, it will hurt other nations if you attempt to force that policy, especially the Empire of Japan. It is foolish to think that any policy will keep those who have been invested in China the longest from interfering with new powers gaining a foothold in China, even yourself and the United States.

Any nation that were to invade China would have a hard time of it, but it is even more important to realize that the only nations with the ability to invade and conquer China already have this so-called open door policy: the United States and the United Kingdom. It is faintly absurd to believe that any other nation, even the Empire of Japan, currently has the power to match both the United States and the United Kingdom.

As for our "strange" view of China, the Prussian Union believes that any nation has the ability to stand on its own feet, regardless of external help, if it takes the proper initiatives. That does not mean that external help will not speed the process, as the Empire of Russia has been doing over the last year, but opening China to trade from any nation will just increase its dependency on foreign economies.

 

[Captain2]

well then the Russian Empire believes that Prussia should set an example and break off all trade with outside nations, since dependency on other nations is believed by Prussia to be a bad thing.

China should be the only one who decides that they should have no reliance, we're opening this route for them so that it will become an option

 

[germanicus12]

France announces that they are not seeing anymore diplomats from any nation until French diplomats answer all French related diplomacy.

Sorry for the inconvienance and expect diplomatic channels to open momentarily.

 

[Fuschia]

well then the Russian Empire believes that Prussia should set an example and break off all trade with outside nations, since dependency on other nations is believed by Prussia to be a bad thing.

Dependency on other nations is, indeed, a bad idea. However, actual trade, rather than economic domination, is helpful to all those involved. When it comes to China, they have not the power at the moment to prevent themselves from becoming economically dominated by other nations.

China should be the only one who decides that they should have no reliance, we're opening this route for them so that it will become an option

The fact is, this route will only increase China's economic dependence on other nations. The more trade their is, the more economic dependence their will be, mostly because other nations will do nothing but exploit China's large pool of consumers and cheap labor.

While we commend Russia on its support of China through closer relationships and the gift of technologies, we advise against its poorly thought out open door policy, as it will do nothing more than reverse the progress they have made in supporting China.

 

[Warman17]

The fact is, this route will only increase China's economic dependence on other nations. The more trade their is, the more economic dependence their will be, mostly because other nations will do nothing but exploit China's large pool of consumers and cheap labor.

consumers yes (but very poor consumers), cheap labor -> you forget this is 1908 where every nation has cheap labor. Unions are normally outlawed or frowned upon, there are few or no laws regulating working conditions, salaries are a bare minimum, the majority of those living in industrial societies live in squalor either as poor farmers or poor factory workers.

China would like to say we have been dominated by foreign spheres of influence for far too long and this 'open door policy' is the first step in China's resumption of control over its own trading policies. China should be the ones dictating who can and can't trade in China and for how much of a fee they should be paying, not foreign powers.

 

[Fuschia]

consumers yes (but very poor consumers), cheap labor -> you forget this is 1908 where every nation has cheap labor. Unions are normally outlawed or frowned upon, there are few or no laws regulating working conditions, salaries are a bare minimum, the majority of those living in industrial societies live in squalor either as poor farmers or poor factory workers.

Ah, but then what was it that people get out of China in the first place? Besides, it is more the number of consumers and laborers I was referring to than anything else...

China would like to say we have been dominated by foreign spheres of influence for far too long and this 'open door policy' is the first step in China's resumption of control over its own trading policies. China should be the ones dictating who can and can't trade in China and for how much of a fee they should be paying, not foreign powers.

The Prussian Union believes that China is mistaking this open door policy. It is not an attempt to return the power to regulate trade in China to the Chinese government, but rather to completely deregulate trade in China, as it states that no nation shall disrupt trade with China. This is nothing but a veiled attempt to put those already in power in China even further in control of the Chinese government and its people. For now, we advise China to continue its current course of using these nations to build upon its own strength until it is capable of regulating itself.

 

[Fuschia]

@Luckymoose: Would you allow a contingency to be thrown into my orders for an unanswered diplo? I would be able to get my orders out in the next couple of minutes if you did.

EDIT: Ack! Sorry about the double post, I hadn't noticed my last post...

 

[Luckymoose]

@Luckymoose: Would you allow a contingency to be thrown into my orders for an unanswered diplo? I would be able to get my orders out in the next couple of minutes if you did.

EDIT: Ack! Sorry about the double post, I hadn't noticed my last post...

Well you have until Tuesday.

 

[Fuschia]

Well you have until Tuesday.

I was under the impression you wanted them sooner.

 

[Luckymoose]

I was under the impression you wanted them sooner.

No one else sent any yet anyway. Besides like 2 people.