Maggy Thatcher dead

[SS-18 ICBM]

They were about a woman's proper role in society. About how "women's lib" had nothing at all to do with her own supposed political success. About how "the battle for women's rights has been largely won" even decades ago.

I'm not concerned at the moment with her views. I was thinking about the work she did.

 

[Leoreth]

Snorrius, the problem here is that for anyone who knows you, your endorsement of Thatcher isn't going to help matters.

 

[dutchfire]

I forgot about NI.

Typical

 

[Formaldehyde]

I'm not concerned at the moment with her views. I was thinking about the work she did.

You mean as an uncompromising petty tyrant who thought that anybody who tried to politically compromise for the greater good of all was a "traitor". Someone who went to war with a distant minor country instead of diplomatically resolving those issues? Someone who increased the bloodshed in Northern Ireland instead of the opposite? Someone who was the alter ego of our president who ignored the AIDs epidemic for the first few critical years because he thought it was the result of his god punishing homosexuals?

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Go on. How did she silence the opposing political views?

 

[Snorrius]

Snorrius, the problem here is that for anyone who knows you, your endorsement of Thatcher isn't going to help matters.

1) No one knows me here.
2) There is no problem here.
3) As there is no problem there is no need to help matters nor it was my intention. I just shared my thoughts about the topic.

 

[Leoreth]

I remember what motivates your view on feminism, at least.

 

[Snorrius]

I remember what motivates your view on feminism, at least.

Could you remind me just in case I forgot?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Go on. How did she silence the opposing political views?

Why did she need to silence opposing views when she was more than happy to silence those in her own supposed party by even calling them "Quislings"?

 

[Azale]

Sure! Now which tribe am I part of so that I know where to point the sharp end?

Some vacuous form of "moderate" I'm sure. Let's call it Farm Boyism.

So this article and this one also point out Thatcher's homophobia, though I don't know how unique she really was back then on this. I don't know if Labor would have attempted anything similar, but it sure strengthens her personal liberty bonafides!

 

[Azale]

DP I know but I think this one calls for it,

"Thatcher, who was 87, had been in declining health for some years, suffering from dementia. The death of Sir Denis Thatcher, her husband of 50 years and closest confidante, intensified her isolation in what had proved a frustrating retirement, despite energetic worldwide activity in the early years"

from the Guardian.

That IS pretty tragic. I hope myself nor anyone I love ever has to go through the same.

 

[Farm Boy]

Some vacuous form of "moderate" I'm sure. Let's call it Farm Boyism.

Is the fideism so stronk in you that you must attempt to invent a counter ideology for me to belong to? I'd settle for a humanist label probably.

 

[GinandTonic]

I'm certainly not glad she's dead, but I'm certainly glad that "her decade" is dead. Both the adulation and the vitriol are unpleasant, one because I can't stand her policies and the other because dancing on people's graves is always in extremely poor taste.

This. looked in on this thread on the first page and really couldn't think of anything honest to say about her that wasn't disproportionately disrespectful in the hours after a persons death.

I appear to have inherited a dislike of her because I live in the north east, but I have on occasion also heard what a dump the country was before she took over.
Still seems a bit silly to blame her for things that are happening now, that's really the fault of PMs that came after for accomplishing nothing.

The social housing she sold off that's now in the hands of slum landlords having their pockets filled by the landlord benefit, cannot be replaced so easily. She made sure of that when she wrote the law prohibiting the councils from using the money to replace the social housing.

Yay for slum landlords!

You mean as an uncompromising petty tyrant who thought that anybody who tried to politically compromise for the greater good of all was a "traitor". Someone who went to war with a distant minor country instead of diplomatically resolving those issues? Someone who increased the bloodshed in Northern Ireland instead of the opposite? Someone who was the alter ego of our president who ignored the AIDs epidemic for the first few critical years because he thought it was the result of his god punishing homosexuals?

Actually vis aids the UK's reaction was very good. Public health issue from the first reaction. Politicos didn't stand in the way of the NHS.

Public health-wise its taking the daily glass of milk away from schoolchildren (thatcher-milk-snatcher) and her trying to make the NHS so underfunded that private health care could take root that are her legasies.

 

[Cutlass]

@Cutlass: It's more the irony of giving a state funeral to someone who loathed the state with passion and dedicated her life to dismantling it.

Did she loath all of the state, or just certain parts of it? I don't seem to recall her dismantling the police or military.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Sure! Now which tribe am I part of so that I know where to point the sharp end?

Isn't Agriculture a tribe?

 

[Azale]

Is the fideism so stronk in you that you must attempt to invent a counter ideology for me to belong to? I'd settle for a humanist label probably.

The point went directly over your head. I'm just pissy because your posts in this thread were so stuck up that I swear you were trying to make pretentiousness a high art.

 

[Thedrin]

Edit. Deleted. Really not worth the effort.

 

[Farm Boy]

The point went directly over your head. I'm just pissy because your posts in this thread were so stuck up that I swear you were trying to make pretentiousness a high art.

Oh. Just because I actively seek to demean any and all allegiances to ideologies doesn't mean I have my front sorted from my back. I still generally like the people who make them up?

Isn't Agriculture a tribe?

So put the sharp end in the ground? I kinda like that.

 

[aelf]

That sounds about right. A characterization I can be proud of.

Is the fideism so stronk in you that you must attempt to invent a counter ideology for me to belong to? I'd settle for a humanist label probably.

Aka, we should follow your form of petty tribalism. Gotcha.

Pretty much what Azale said. Those who pretend they are above ideology are usually either deluded or dishonest.

And what the 'moderates' in this thread and so many other places are doing is prioritising their own sensibilities regarding proper or reasonable behaviour above pretty much everything else. "Social justice? Nah. If some activists are violent, then I can't get behind their cause." These people should be rightly condemned as pretentious fools who are obviously too comfortable with their own lives.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Actually vis aids the UK's reaction was very good. Public health issue from the first reaction. Politicos didn't stand in the way of the NHS.

Public health-wise its taking the daily glass of milk away from schoolchildren (thatcher-milk-snatcher) and her trying to make the NHS so underfunded that private health care could take root that are her legasies.

Yet Thatcher openly supported the Reagan administration, which directly caused the AIDs epidemic to kill far more people than it should have. She also labeled Mandela a "terrorist" while again supporting the Reagan administration that was even in favor of apartheid.

Between the two of them, they essentially stopped the progress of civilization in the modern world for nearly 10 years. And their bigoted legacy continues to be felt even today. Many conservatives incessantly whine about people like Ahmadinejad, Castro, Chavez, Hussein, and the leaders of North Korea. But our own leaders during this period have caused far greater problems in the world than they all have collectively. And this legacy was re-implemented again during the first decade of the 21st century when their policies were largely resurrected by GWB and Tony Blair.