Man blows up his dog because he thought it was a host of demons

[AlpsStranger]

The world isn't perfect and it doesn't do to constantly beat ourselves up over conditions that simply are. In Eden we wouldn't eat meat I suppose, but as an atheist I don't think Eden ever was ( or ever will be. )

Perhaps, in the future, meat won't have to come from animals anymore. Time will tell.

 

[Kennigit]

He even fed it something before killing it, and he maintained that he was trying to get rid of the demons, not the actual dog. If his intention was to actually take pleasure in harming the dog then he would have used a different method of slaying, which obviously would enable him to have more chances of not being caught by police as well.
It seems his main issue is that he believes demons hunt him- although i also accept that he can reasonably be termed as a potential danger to other humans as well, so he needs being confined in some safe 'mental house'-like facility in prison.

most likely since washington does not have guilty but mentally ill or guilty but insane (GBMI), he will not to a mental facility (as would be the case in Not Guilty by Reason of Insantity, but the "insanity defense is used in less than 1% of all court cases and, when used, has only a 26% success rate. Of those cases that were successful, 90% of the defendants had been previously diagnosed with mental illness." [wiki]

also, I don't have a more recent source for this (Sources are 90s and 80s mostly), but people actually found NGRI frequently spend much longer periods of time in mental treatment facilities that they would have if they just was charged with the original crime, and of course after that release they are subject to even long-term judicial oversight than someone just found guilty (or if were found not competent to stand trial, they just end up going back to trial)

anyways, tl;dr: this thread does just do nothing but point out the misfortunes of one probably schizophrenic man.

 

[Samson]

How the hell is it not cruel? Murdering a human is extremely cruel as it deprives that person of all the pleasures of living, it's the cruelest act there is. But we have laws against murder so humans don't get charged with "human cruelty" in "painless" deaths. But it's still extreme cruelty.

I assume there are no murder laws when it comes to killing dogs so animal cruelty charges it is, and they are totally appropriate. Dogs definitely take pleasure in being alive and if killed, are deprived of this no less than a human I'd say.

The thing is if this guy had taken the dog to a vet and had it killed with an overdose of barbiturates there would be no news, and no calls for animal cruelty charges. As it was the dog was saved that stress (going to a place that is generally assosiated with unpleasant procedures) and the pain of an injection. All he knew was his master tying something to his neak, and then standing back. Once the "bomb" went off the dog would know nothing.

I would say there is the POTENTIAL for suffering, I he had not used enough the dog could have been left alive with serious injuries, but that is not the case here.

 

[Crezth]

The world isn't perfect and it doesn't do to constantly beat ourselves up over conditions that simply are. In Eden we wouldn't eat meat I suppose, but as an atheist I don't think Eden ever was ( or ever will be. )

Perhaps, in the future, meat won't have to come from animals anymore. Time will tell.

The world isn't perfect so it's okay to murder animals. Coolio.

 

[AlpsStranger]

It's not okay to blow up your dog, but the guy was crazy. Why is eating a chicken that spent its life in a battery cage ( something most of us on this forum do several times a week ) better than instantly and painlessly blowing up a dog?

Unless you're preaching veganism to the forum. If that's the case carry on. I won't get in your way.

 

[Kyriakos]

It's not okay to blow up your dog, but the guy was crazy. Why is eating a chicken that spent its life in a battery cage ( something most of us on this forum do several times a week ) better than instantly and painlessly blowing up a dog?

Unless you're preaching veganism to the forum. If that's the case carry on. I won't get in your way.

Indeed.

He is either hypocritic, or lives in some hippocracy.

Although thracian horses had been known to be carnivorous too.

 

[NovaKart]

I don't know how difficult it is to make a bomb. Someone with that kind of knowledge AND, he has psychotic delusions, that's really dangerous.

 

[Farm Boy]

I don't know how difficult it is to make a bomb. Someone with that kind of knowledge AND, he has psychotic delusions, that's really dangerous.

It's not difficult at all. And therein lies the problem. Anyone with psychotic delusions, or anyone that's suitably pissed off at something is always really dangerous. Welcome to society.

 

[SouthernKing]

Yeah, the 1995 Oklahoma City bomb was IIRC made entirely from stuff you can find in your kitchen. And that in the hands of a crazed white supremacist killed 100+ people.

 

[El_Machinae]

There's more to this horror story.

Schizophrenia is awful. The medications for it are awful. Once someone is "the system" for violent schizophrenia, there's a really good chance that their lives will only only get worse. A remarkable number of schizophrenics are not helped by "the system", they're mainly sequestered away and given drugs that reduce their outward symptoms.

It's not just awful, it's effing awful. On top of that is the delusion aspect, which aggravates the personal horror the person might find themselves in. Schizophrenics still have emotions, feelings, and loved ones, and then are forced to watch people disregard their feelings and watch themselves lose their loved ones as their families becoming increasing disconcerted by the madness.

It's 1% of people that get this disease, and a horrid number aren't helped by the medication "system". 1%. That's a lot of social pain. Even worse, Big Pharma has given up, they don't research it anymore. It's only government funding and charity funding that supports research; and when's the last time you've known anyone to give to a schizophrenia charity?

The modern system is not sufficient, at all, but it's "out of sight, out of mind" because everyone figures that "the system" is handling it and thus no one feels the urge to be pro-active.

 

[NovaKart]

I'm not mechanical at all so it seems really difficult to me. Even if you can find the stuff in your kitchen you have to know how to put it together.

 

[Farm Boy]

when's the last time you've known anyone to give to a schizophrenia charity?

The Johnny Cashes of the world are mostly dead. You know, those people who care about hard times and imperfect (wo)men who need help since they're worse than they could have been due to factors beyond their control? Yea, I'd say our acceptance of things like this as a society isn't very good. Not that it was ever great, but it's just not good at all yet.

I'm not mechanical at all so it seems really difficult to me. Even if you can find the stuff in your kitchen you have to know how to put it together.

Something that'll take down a federal building has some challenges(Oklahoma City). Something that'll remove your hand or a dog's head, significantly easier. It's really not that interesting scientifically to make something that blows up. I wouldn't recommend too much thought on the matter beyond the acknowledgement that basic explosives are pretty basic.

 

[sanabas]

Even worse, Big Pharma has given up, they don't research it anymore.

got a link? I am not schizophrenic (except in a database or two), but I have taken plenty of their meds, and there certainly seems to be another new atypical antipsychotic arriving every couple of years. Google gives me http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...phrenia-drug-met-clinical-trial-goals-2-.html and http://frx.investorhq.businesswire....esent-data-cariprazine-and-levomilnacipran-ph about a new one that may get approved soon.

It's only government funding and charity funding that supports research; and when's the last time you've known anyone to give to a schizophrenia charity?

http://www.sfnsw.org.au/ is one. I think in many cases, you're better off giving to a more general mental health charity than a schizophrenia-specific one. But yeah, comparing the number of organisations, the amount of visibility, the amount of donations for various cancers vs mental health is interesting.

The modern system is not sufficient, at all, but it's "out of sight, out of mind" because everyone figures that "the system" is handling it and thus no one feels the urge to be pro-active.

This part I'm in full agreement with. And that's in a country with a system that seems a long way ahead of the USA's.

ps: The 'schizophrenia' in your sig seems to be fubared, it shows as a link, but points nowhere.

 

[bhsup]

I really don't think the US Supreme Court would accept the argument that the guillotine (another head removing method) is not cruel and unusual.

 

[Farm Boy]

I really don't think the US Supreme Court would accept the argument that the guillotine (another head removing method) is not cruel and unusual.

Yet despite what the SCOTUS would and wouldn't accept as an argument it's still probably kinder than the firing squads which are still allowed and less terrifyingly subject to nearly unverifiable abuse than the lethal injection system we use. If we cared at all about the cruelty in methods of executing humans that two-dose cocktail would have been gone long ago and observers would have had to suffer the "hardship" of watching what it actually looks like when you kill somebody.

 

[warpus]

Guy is sick in the head and going to go away for a long time as appropriate.

Hey now, wait a second. Personally I think this guy is insane and should be committed, but don't you believe that demons exist and can take over bodies and make them evil? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember you saying something like that once.

If so, how do you know this guy isn't telling the truth just at first glance like that? What gave it away?

 

[Kyriakos]

Also worth to note that according to the article, the guy owns (or works in ) some fireworks shop (stand). So he knows how to build some minor bomb anyway due to his job.

There's more to this horror story.

Schizophrenia is awful. The medications for it are awful. Once someone is "the system" for violent schizophrenia, there's a really good chance that their lives will only only get worse. A remarkable number of schizophrenics are not helped by "the system", they're mainly sequestered away and given drugs that reduce their outward symptoms.

It's not just awful, it's effing awful. On top of that is the delusion aspect, which aggravates the personal horror the person might find themselves in. Schizophrenics still have emotions, feelings, and loved ones, and then are forced to watch people disregard their feelings and watch themselves lose their loved ones as their families becoming increasing disconcerted by the madness.

It's 1% of people that get this disease, and a horrid number aren't helped by the medication "system". 1%. That's a lot of social pain. Even worse, Big Pharma has given up, they don't research it anymore. It's only government funding and charity funding that supports research; and when's the last time you've known anyone to give to a schizophrenia charity?

The modern system is not sufficient, at all, but it's "out of sight, out of mind" because everyone figures that "the system" is handling it and thus no one feels the urge to be pro-active.

Surely one of the worst kinds of mental illness. Coupled with delusions, moreso if the person cannot even start to understand they are not part of reality, it can make life hell. And if one is violent, then he is a serious danger to others too- but i am not sure if this particular person was violent. Maybe he just thought he was saving someone (himself or others) by killing what he thought lived inside the dog.

 

[kramerfan86]

He needs to be locked up for a long time. He is clearly insane, how long until he hurts a person because "the devil" has taken them?

 

[JollyRoger]

Guy is sick in the head and going to go away for a long time as appropriate.

Why do you consider someone holding strong religious beliefs as sick in the head?

 

[Farm Boy]

Why do you consider someone holding strong religious beliefs as sick in the head?

Punish him for whatever explosives laws he's broken, recommend him for medical care, revoke any explosive licenses he has that may require a mental competency component, and let that be the all of it. You're still allowed to kill your own dog so long as you do so with a degree of care in it being as fast as you can make it, aren't you? Don't we still allow you to put down your own dog(such as end of life when townies would use a vet for euthanasia) with a rifle so long as you aim it correctly? It still seems more caring to do it yourself for your beloved companion than sending it to some scary sterile and foreign environment for a stranger to kill it.