Marriage

[Sahkuhnder]

So do you think that homosexuality is a biological trait, or something else? I think that there is something biological that gives the propensity for one to become homosexual as a product of their environment.

I can't speak for what makes other people tick, but for me what I find sexually attractive is biological and not some condition that could be medicated or react to counseling. You could talk to me until the end of time and never convince me that what I find sexy, isn't sexy, and that I should substitute something I don't find sexy in its place.

What we find sexually attractive isn't subject to logic, but is only subject to lust. We can be taught to suppress our lust and to not act on it, but I could never be convinced deep-down inside to change the topic of my desires.

 

[GenMarshall]

Homosexuality is not a disease that needs either a fancy pseudo-scientific name nor a cure.

Acualy, the Catholic Church (and I agree with them) that the term "Gay" and "Lesbian" is not appropreate to be used when addressing a person.

It is just two consenting adults making each other feel good at the least and being in love with each other at the best. Can't we all just be happy for them and leave it at that? Is that really too much for them to ask?

I realy dont want to bend over backwards against my own moral beliefs . I can accept them as a person, help them find a job, and and such. But there is no way that I am going to approve same-gender relations that I and the Catholic Church views as immoral.

 

[Smidlee]

Other than that, it would have no impact on your life or your morals.

I found that those who made a huge impact in my life were dead long before I was born. Moral values we make today will have a great impact upon our children, grandchildren just as I'm benefitting greatly by the decision of my forefathers.

Many of those who stands againest homosexuality are those who not so much concern about themselves but more about their future generations. Thus you will find elders more likely to stand againest such more than the youth.
Every great nation fail because of the all so slow corruption within.

"Because sentence againest an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil."

 

[Sahkuhnder]

Acualy, the Catholic Church (and I agree with them) that the term "Gay" and "Lesbian" is not appropreate to be used when addressing a person.

Why not? How exactly did you decide it was "not appropriate"? Why can't they be called what they want to be called? They don't seem to object to those names as many of their organizations are proudly called 'gay' and 'lesbian' whatever. Isn't it both the height of arrogance to just issue them a name, especially one with negative connotations that sounds like a disease, and the height of rudeness to not address them by the common usage name they have chosen for themselves and prefer to use?

Ask yourself, how would you feel if people decided 'catholic' was "not appropriate" and just arbitrarily started saying you had ORGE (Organized Religion & God Enthrallment)?

I realy dont want to bend over backwards against my own moral beliefs . I can accept them as a person, help them find a job, and and such. But there is no way that I am going to approve same-gender relations that I and the Catholic Church views as immoral.

Once again, you are of course entitled to your own opinion, but also including why makes for both a more convincing post and a better discussion.

 

[GenMarshall]

Ask yourself, how would you feel if people decided 'Catholic' was "not appropriate" and just arbitrarily started saying you had ORGE (Organized Religion & God Enthrallment)?

I would not like it when people say I have ORGE. I perfer to have my faith be identified, Catholic or Roman Catholic. Not ORGE.

 

[Sahkuhnder]

I would not like it when people say I have ORGE. I perfer to have my faith be identified, Catholic or Roman Catholic. Not ORGE.

Thank you, that is exactly my point. I will venture to say that gay and lesbian people would prefer their chosen title as well. Not SSA.

Respect is a two way street.

 

[The Yankee]

I found that those who made a huge impact in my life were dead long before I was born. Moral values we make today will have a great impact upon our children, grandchildren just as I'm benefitting greatly by the decision of my forefathers.

Many of those who stands againest homosexuality are those who not so much concern about themselves but more about their future generations. Thus you will find elders more likely to stand againest such more than the youth.
Every great nation fail because of the all so slow corruption within.

"Because sentence againest an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil."

What's the evil and corruption that will befall future generations?

Also remember that moral values could be a two-way street...not everyone will think the same things are moral. Some of this could be legislated against, like murder, since it impacts another person's right to life. Where is the impact on someone that is heterosexual? The only thing I could see would be a decrease in some tax revenues due to some marriage benefits applying to perhaps a few million more people.

 

[Swiss Bezerker]

Marriage is one man and one woman.

I think civil unions should be allowed for same sex relationships. You can give them all the same rights as married people, but don't call it that!

And should gays be allowed in the same section of ours buses?
seriously.

 

[Sims2789]

The government should not license nor prohibit marriages. How can government sponsorship of marriage protect the "religious freedom" Senator Santorum says is at stake if we do not prohibit homosexual marriage in the Constitution? However, civil union contracts are acceptable.

 

[Tycoon101]

... The first option. You all know what a stickler I am about gay marriage. Both homosexual marriage and polygamy should be expelled for good.

 

[The 777 Hoax]

One man, one woman. The end!

 

[downtown]

Anybody remember Mitt Romney's joke about this?

As a Mormon....I feel that marriage should be between a man and a woman!


...and a woman
...and a woman
...and a woman

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Anybody remember Mitt Romney's joke about this?

As a Mormon....I feel that marriage should be between a man and a woman!


...and a woman
...and a woman
...and a woman

Wow, did he really say that? If so, he is a very brave man.

 

[CaptainF]

How about instead of debating whether or not marriage should be gay or bestial or whatever, lets discuss whether or not marriage has been so pissed upon by divorce and frivolous fling hook ups that it doesn't matter any more.

 

[Pyrite]

I am going to burn marriage down.

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[Jayhawk_Colin]

The Catholic Church (my church0 teaches that marrige is between 1 man and 1 woman. Gay marrige is wrong becasue in the end no life can come from 2 woman or 2 men.

 

[Pyrite]

Yr reason why is someone else SAYS?! What do you believe?!

 

[The Yankee]

Yet we're certainly able to make life without marriage. I do think the procreation argument is thin at best.

 

[Perfection]

Especially when you think that Joseph and Mary were married, but they didn't procreate.

 

[Sahkuhnder]

The Catholic Church (my church0 teaches that marrige is between 1 man and 1 woman. Gay marrige is wrong becasue in the end no life can come from 2 woman or 2 men.

What if either of the gay or lesbian partners already has kids?

What if a lesbian partner is currently pregnant?

Any two people can have children through adoption. Would that be valid grounds to try to form a lasting partnership through marriage?

If you only mean 'life' as in a new life by biological means then why allow the marriage if either heterosexual partner is sterile and/or incapable of having children, because "in the end no life can come" from that union either.

It's fine that your church tells you how to believe, but why do you personally agree with this particular position?