Master Map Thread

[adhiraj.bose]

Furthermore :

4) Dairy *( I'm guessing thats one of the things the 'cow' resource is meant to represent ? ) :
http://www.indiadairy.com/ind_india_dairymap.html

Note : Gujarat is the centre of India's, and the world's, largest dairy cooperative, Amul. Which is where I had placed the cow on my map. Also since its in Bombay's BFC it provides some additional food helping it grow to a size it should grow to.

 

[Royal Tenenbaum]

Hey thanks for all the info! Makes it a lot easier to make an assessment. Although information on the most major cities throughout history would be even more important as resource placement within a country really depends on what cities you want to buff or nerf.

EDIT: I know very little of Indian history.

 

[adhiraj.bose]

Ok I'll try to recollect from the best of my memory the most major cities throughout Indian history starting from the earliest point :

1) In pre-'vedic' times (i.e 3000BC-1500BC) : Harappa and Mohenjo Daro located in Western Punjab.

2) In the "Vedic period" (i.e 1500BC-1000BC) : Kashi [near Varanasi] *( can't be properly characterized as a city but it was a very prosperous settlement and by accounts of the most important regions in "Aryavart" i.e. the region spanning from Gandhar/Afghanistan to Bengal)

3) In the post-"vedic" period (i.e 1000BC -500BC) Pataliputra, Hastinapur(Delhi), Takshashila, Kashi, Tamralipti (just South of real world Calcutta) . *[16 Mahajanapads developed and prospered after the breakdown of 'aryavart', in which Magadh was the most powerful. ]

4) In the ancient period (i.e 500BC- 300AD): Pataliputra *( the most important centre), Takshashila, Mathura (capital of the Kushan empire), Tamralipti *(was the chief port of Bengal from 500BC to 1200AD), Kalinga*( Orissa, not sure of the names of cities here, but it was one of the major powers in India around this period).

5) in the classical period (i.e 300AD- 1300AD) : Pataliputra, Kanauj(in central U.P, basically near Lucknow), Vatapi(in Maharashtra), Gour/Lakshanavati, Tamralipti, (both these cities in Bengal, Gour in central bengal tamralipti in southern bengal), Sri Nagar(Kashmir), Gangaikonda Cholapuram, Dhaka.

More names I will come up with as I research further, these are just names I could remember offhand. Now the periodization is somewhat subject to my own interpretation, but these time periods are more or less in line with what is agreed to by most historians.

 

[adhiraj.bose]

Ok I've found a link for cities in the Mahajanapad period. :

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-ancient-history/mahajanapadas.html

Another for 500BC :

http://www.mapsofindia.com/history/ancient-india.htm

 

[adhiraj.bose]

Ok I've found a link for cities in the Mahajanapad period. :

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-ancient-history/mahajanapadas.html

Another for 500BC :

http://www.mapsofindia.com/history/ancient-india.htm

And one "list of capitals in India" :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_capitals_of_India

I think that last link should be the most helpful in terms of determining which cities are most important.

 

[Royal Tenenbaum]

 

[adhiraj.bose]

What about the Aravallis ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aravalli_Range this map doesn't have them.

Also please consider the historical importance for Kamboja horsemen in Indian armies :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kambojas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_empire#Pala_armed_forces

"The Kamboja cavalry were the cream of the Pala army who would later become as powerful as the Janissary army of the Ottoman Empire. The Kamboja forces maintained smaller confederates (Sanghas) among themselves and were staunch follower of their commander. Palas had the army divided into following posts: Senapati or Mahasenapati (General) controlling foot soldiers, cavalry, soldiers riding elephants and camels, and the navy, and the various army posts like Kottapala (Fort guards) and Prantapala (Border guards). Palas had a huge army and the legend of "Nava Lakkha Shainya" (Nine lac soldiers) were popular during the reigns of Dharmapala and Devapala."

 

[adhiraj.bose]

What about the Aravallis ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aravalli_Range this map doesn't have them.

Also please consider the historical importance for Kamboja horsemen in Indian armies :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kambojas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_empire#Pala_armed_forces

"The Kamboja cavalry were the cream of the Pala army who would later become as powerful as the Janissary army of the Ottoman Empire. The Kamboja forces maintained smaller confederates (Sanghas) among themselves and were staunch follower of their commander. Palas had the army divided into following posts: Senapati or Mahasenapati (General) controlling foot soldiers, cavalry, soldiers riding elephants and camels, and the navy, and the various army posts like Kottapala (Fort guards) and Prantapala (Border guards). Palas had a huge army and the legend of "Nava Lakkha Shainya" (Nine lac soldiers) were popular during the reigns of Dharmapala and Devapala."

Additionally in re the cotton in Kerala :

http://www.mapsofindia.com/top-ten/india-crops/cotton.html

Kerela is not one of the top ten Cotton producing states. Ideally, the Cochin tile should have spices.

Furthermore, in re Silk textiles in Bengal :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_in_the_Indian_subcontinent

My mother's silk saris are all from Bengal after all . Well one or two Mysore silk.

Further material to consider : http://iref.homestead.com/Textile.html

Just to clarify, what exactly is the banana resource supposed to represent ? The tile which has the banana in North Bengal is otherwise a tea growing region.

 

[adhiraj.bose]

Also, why place the gold in Goa ? That tile belonged to Iron. Also, the Tibetan "plateau" is full of hills. Why did the Indian Deccan plateau get a different treatment ?

 

[adhiraj.bose]

Just so we're clear on which places has Iron in India :

http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/minerals/iron-ore-mines-map.html

Is there a reason why you didn't put Iron near Bengal ?

 

[adhiraj.bose]

A side question, is Srinagar settleable in this map ? And is there a way to get to Tibet from India through Leh ?

 

[Royal Tenenbaum]

What is Leh? What is Srinigar?

I know what places have iron in India, but you have to take into consideration gameplay, production, and supplying the Civilization with iron. That is why I decided to put it next to Calcutta.

I -did- add hills.

You're right about the cotton.

As for the silk, keep in mind that Europeans will set up colonies, which historically did get silk...

You're making a big deal about moving the horses one tile up.

 

[BenZL43]

Leh is at Kashmir. It is one of the way to get into Tibet without going through China since Himalayas aren't passable. I don't think that's possible to represent in DoC.

Srinagar also one of the city at Kashmir --somewhere in India north of Delhi iirc. Probably near Taxila.

 

[adhiraj.bose]

Srinagar : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinagar

btw, you placed the iron near Mumbai. Right now you said you placed it near Calcutta ?

 

[adhiraj.bose]

oh and this is Leh : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leh

 

[Royal Tenenbaum]

Srinagar : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinagar

btw, you placed the iron near Mumbai. Right now you said you placed it near Calcutta ?

Ah yes. I decided to instead switch the iron and coal of Mumbai and Calcutta, as the iron near Calcutta would help an earlier India.

 

[adhiraj.bose]

Well overall, barring the deviations from the real geography of the region, its better than the original map of India.

 

[yurisusuki]

Dumb question
This map is for SVN or 1.11? or both..

 

[Royal Tenenbaum]

Both.

 

[asewland]

How recent is this map? SVN-wise?