Meanwhile in the Middle East: "Arab Spring can turn into radical Islamist Winter"

[Ajidica]

A car isn't an armoured vehicle, now is it?
Unless the Czech Republic is living in Fallout-land, you should know the difference between an armoured vehicle and a car.

 

[Dachs]

A car isn't an armoured vehicle, now is it?

You can leave your passport at the door.

 

[Ajidica]

Whoops. That must be a holdover from reading alot of books by british authors lately.

 

[Winner]

A car isn't an armoured vehicle, now is it?
Unless the Czech Republic is living in Fallout-land, you should know the difference between an armoured vehicle and a car.

I freely admit I have no idea what you mean, or how does it relate to the fact that this "innocent" stone throwing can and does kill people. Of course it's pointless to even talk about this, since you believe the Pallies in Israeli jails are innocent...

 

[Formaldehyde]

The article states the Israeli police tried to cover it up so no Price Tag mosque burnings or other incidents would happen as a result, yet they did anyway because this is old news and the facts were reported all along.

Is this article an example of "fair and responsible" journalism? Or is it the most incendiary?

Just think if the Palestinians complained like this every time two civilians died.

CNN: Palestinian teen killed in West Bank

The body of Ayaser Alzaban, 16, was found late Thursday northwest of Ramallah, along Route 60, a road used by Israeli settlers in the territory, Palestinian medial officials said. Alzaban had been shot in the back.

The death followed reports of an Israeli settler allegedly opening fire on a group that had been throwing rocks at his car as he drove.

Reuters: Israeli troops kill Palestinian at West Bank checkpoint

(Reuters) - Israeli troops Sunday shot and killed a Palestinian who approached them at a West Bank checkpoint holding a glass bottle, the Israeli military and Palestinian officials said.

A military spokeswoman said the man, identified by Palestinian officials as 24-year-old Ahmed Muslamani, did not heed orders to halt and they opened fire as he came closer.

Muslamani was shot in the chest and leg, said a Palestinian medical worker who collected the body at the Israeli military checkpoint near the West Bank city of Nablus.

The military spokeswoman said she did not know the contents of the glass bottle. "The soldiers apparently felt threatened," she said.

But Saturday, a Palestinian woman died the day after inhaling gas fired by Israeli forces quelling a protest a day earlier against Israel's West Bank barrier near the village of Bilin, a senior Palestinian medical official said.

The Israeli military said troops had fired tear gas at stone throwers and the circumstances of the woman's death were under investigation.

Israelis and Palestinians Killed in the Current Violence

At least 6,430 Palestinians and 1,084 Israelis have been killed since September 29, 2000.

Children Killed 124 vs 1,452
Civilians* Killed 731 vs 3,535 - 4,226
People killed in the course of a targeted killing 1 vs 408 or more
People who were the object of a targeted killing 1 vs 238
People killed on own land 586 (54.1%) vs 6,359 (98.9%)
People killed on others' land 498 (45.9%) vs 71 (1.1%)

Causes of Deaths of Israeli Soldiers 2005

Committed Suicide 30
Illness 14
Accidents 26
Terror Incidents 6

Source: Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv, Oct. 10, 2005, p. 6.
Note: The paper also reported that since 1992, 459 Israeli soldiers have committed suicide.

 

[innonimatu]

Yes, because EVAAAALLLLL Israel jails stone-throwing kids for life...

Maybe it should start:

Spoiler :

Police conclude Kiryat Arba car crash a terror attack

Police first said death of Asher Palmer and infant son result of accident, later confirm stones had been hurled at vehicle.

the rest of the article

A man and his child were killed by some cretins who think throwing stones at Israelis is fun.

Funny how the cretin label of "terror attack" now applies to just about any crime, isn't it? It's like, for example, classifying every single attack on a black person as a "racial hate crime"...

 

[Ajidica]

I freely admit I have no idea what you mean, or how does it relate to the fact that this "innocent" stone throwing can and does kill people.

I said tank, you mentioned car. Throwing a stone at a tank is a completely different matter then throwing a stone at a civilian car.

Of course it's pointless to even talk about this, since you believe the Pallies in Israeli jails are innocent...

Thanks for telling me what I should believe so I fit nicely into the slots you assign me.

 

[Winner]

Funny how the cretin label of "terror attack" now applies to just about any crime, isn't it? It's like, for example, classifying every single attack on a black person as a "racial hate crime"...

Haaretz today:

Shvuel Schijveschuurder, who lost his parents and three of his siblings in 'Sbarro' terror attack, vandalizes memorial after discovering two of Palestinians responsible for the attack to be released as part of deal.

Yeah, just about any crime...

 

[r16]

the night before there was the Battle of Seattle on TV . Don't rush to press spam alert it is kinda relevant . Starting with the scene where the African diplomat rose up to talk against drug patents and people dying for lack of money to afford "life" . Behind him , there was the empty seat and the lonely Turkish flag . Meanwhile the US diplomats were in distant backseats . Has to be alphabetical order and ı guess we would have a empty seat in those backrows .

yeah , it is time to fill what we say . Not that there was anything in real life and it is just a movie . Yet it is really starting to bug . There should be peace in the Middle East , OK . OK even when we didn't start it . Yet the process invariably involves advantages given only because the other side is "stronger" . Minefields to organic farms didn't happen , skyscrapers didn't happen . And last month 3000 goverment officials toured hospitals to check against university lecturers treating patients ; doctors are henceforth only to be practitioners or teachers . Now in Turkey , university hospitals are both cheaper and "better" in the eyes of people . Many journos think the aim is to financially stiffle them so that there will be less opposition for their sale to foreign consortiums . We have nothing against service sector , nothing against foreign investment , nothing against comparatively cheaper Turkish hospitals becoming competitive in European Health sector . What we have something against is giving capitulations . To whom , how the hell ı know ? Anti-Semite epithet hurts universally . Plus despite the strenous efforts the Ottoman Empire remains 6 feet under .

of course , just in the nature of the "dialogue" , nothing will happen and even the opposition to the permits for 10 strains of genetically modified corn products will be overcome . ı sincerely doubt when Jessica Lange was in that hearing , she argued for American farmer to be supported so that all the rest of the world could go bankrupt . Fits us like a glove : eat American corn , become zombie ...

relevant if seen next to the reestablishment Ottomans right above .

yeah , we are plain bored with capitalism .

and we are plain bored with the lectures of how the invisible hand corrects things , economics is too complex for any mortal to understand , whatever . So are starship engines ...

the movie had it with how the mikes were closed down to shut up Isaach De Bankolé . In real life , ı would only wonder if the rogue trader of the UBS is anyway related to the actual Ghanian diplomats in WTO talks of 1999 .

the fight in Libya is expected to end soon , releasing Allied airpower , somehow matching the democratic people of Syria now demanding aircover . Economics are everywhere , even bombing Arabs cost so much . We were so protective of Iran , now we learn they caught a seperatist leader and released him . Or pro-goverment sources do say so . Opposition believes Iran offered him and we refused as the payment would have been turning the head away while Assad was cleaning house . What can one say , Americans are yet to arrest one single terrorist , as they call them . It doesn't stop them to put the pressure on Teheran though . One wonders , if they were so against the Farsi , why did they invite them to the talks of what would happen after Saakashvili defeated the Russians ? ( No , this does not aim at Russian sympathy , their single carrier battle group adds to only 11 or so )

watching movies , ı missed a debate where an Israeli guest who said he was an expert on anything , because he had calculated the 2008 economic crisis before it happened and he apparently said we had to guard against them Russians . That his expertise was laughed off as Kabbala or something is not that great a service to country , but that is getting out of topic . Whatever , so the free Turkey is just about to run away , eh ? Even the good people here are on the edge , rifling some Ukranian passenger's untagged luggage police found 60 rounds of 30 caliber ammunition , just like the dozens they would find in the streets , fields and garbage bins during the height of the anti military campaign . Didn't miss much ı would guess , have been watching the Game of Thrones and am kinda " Death to Lannisters ... "

truth . It is a good thing ain't it ?

we are people you don't like in plain English .

 

[NovaKart]

Jessica Lange wants to bring attention to the problems facing poor American farmers. And that's going to bankrupt the rest of the world and force every other country to eat American corn? I don't really understand the rest of the above to respond to it.

 

[kochman]

Spoiler :

the night before there was the Battle of Seattle on TV . Don't rush to press spam alert it is kinda relevant . Starting with the scene where the African diplomat rose up to talk against drug patents and people dying for lack of money to afford "life" . Behind him , there was the empty seat and the lonely Turkish flag . Meanwhile the US diplomats were in distant backseats . Has to be alphabetical order and ı guess we would have a empty seat in those backrows .

yeah , it is time to fill what we say . Not that there was anything in real life and it is just a movie . Yet it is really starting to bug . There should be peace in the Middle East , OK . OK even when we didn't start it . Yet the process invariably involves advantages given only because the other side is "stronger" . Minefields to organic farms didn't happen , skyscrapers didn't happen . And last month 3000 goverment officials toured hospitals to check against university lecturers treating patients ; doctors are henceforth only to be practitioners or teachers . Now in Turkey , university hospitals are both cheaper and "better" in the eyes of people . Many journos think the aim is to financially stiffle them so that there will be less opposition for their sale to foreign consortiums . We have nothing against service sector , nothing against foreign investment , nothing against comparatively cheaper Turkish hospitals becoming competitive in European Health sector . What we have something against is giving capitulations . To whom , how the hell ı know ? Anti-Semite epithet hurts universally . Plus despite the strenous efforts the Ottoman Empire remains 6 feet under .

of course , just in the nature of the "dialogue" , nothing will happen and even the opposition to the permits for 10 strains of genetically modified corn products will be overcome . ı sincerely doubt when Jessica Lange was in that hearing , she argued for American farmer to be supported so that all the rest of the world could go bankrupt . Fits us like a glove : eat American corn , become zombie ...

relevant if seen next to the reestablishment Ottomans right above .

yeah , we are plain bored with capitalism .

and we are plain bored with the lectures of how the invisible hand corrects things , economics is too complex for any mortal to understand , whatever . So are starship engines ...

the movie had it with how the mikes were closed down to shut up Isaach De Bankolé . In real life , ı would only wonder if the rogue trader of the UBS is anyway related to the actual Ghanian diplomats in WTO talks of 1999 .

the fight in Libya is expected to end soon , releasing Allied airpower , somehow matching the democratic people of Syria now demanding aircover . Economics are everywhere , even bombing Arabs cost so much . We were so protective of Iran , now we learn they caught a seperatist leader and released him . Or pro-goverment sources do say so . Opposition believes Iran offered him and we refused as the payment would have been turning the head away while Assad was cleaning house . What can one say , Americans are yet to arrest one single terrorist , as they call them . It doesn't stop them to put the pressure on Teheran though . One wonders , if they were so against the Farsi , why did they invite them to the talks of what would happen after Saakashvili defeated the Russians ? ( No , this does not aim at Russian sympathy , their single carrier battle group adds to only 11 or so )

watching movies , ı missed a debate where an Israeli guest who said he was an expert on anything , because he had calculated the 2008 economic crisis before it happened and he apparently said we had to guard against them Russians . That his expertise was laughed off as Kabbala or something is not that great a service to country , but that is getting out of topic . Whatever , so the free Turkey is just about to run away , eh ? Even the good people here are on the edge , rifling some Ukranian passenger's untagged luggage police found 60 rounds of 30 caliber ammunition , just like the dozens they would find in the streets , fields and garbage bins during the height of the anti military campaign . Didn't miss much ı would guess , have been watching the Game of Thrones and am kinda " Death to Lannisters ... "

truth . It is a good thing ain't it ?

we are people you don't like in plain English

What?

 

[classical_hero]

So Forma, why are the Palestinian civilians being killed?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Because the Hamas terrorists are using them as shields, as so many Israeli soldiers have used Palestinian civilians themselves?

Hers's one of the 1,452 Palestinian children who have died since 2000.

Faris Odeh (Arabic: فارس عودة, December 1985–November 9, 2000) was a Palestinian boy shot dead by the Israel Defense Forces near the Karni crossing in the Gaza Strip while throwing stones in the second month of the Al-Aqsa Intifada.

A picture of Odeh standing alone in front of a tank, with a stone in his hand and arm bent back to throw it, was taken by a photojournalist from the Associated Press on October 29, 2000. Ten days later, on November 9, Odeh was again throwing stones at Karni when he was shot in the neck by Israeli troops. The boy and the image subsequently assumed iconic status within the Palestinian territories as symbols of resistance to the area's occupation by Israel.[1]

The Hamas must be hiding behind the photographer as well.

 

[NovaKart]

I realize they're just children but throwing stones at a tank is pretty foolish. Let alone to do it repeatedly.

 

[Ajidica]

Just because an action is foolish doesn't mean the response was appropriate to the situation.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Yes. Protesting against brutal oppression is seldom worth it. If they were completely docile and turned the other cheek to repeated abuse as most Palestinians do, I'm sure things would be much different.

 

[classical_hero]

That teenager would not have got the idea that martyrdom is a good thing from the Hamas TV. The sad fact is that he decided to play with fire and he got burnt from it.


Link to video.
Thank goodness the Israelis were able to talk the child out killing himself.

Look at militants in civilian clothing, putting civilians at risk because of their behaviour.

Link to video.
Grabbing children when they are holding weapons and firing them.

Link to video.
Violating ambulances

Link to video.


Link to video.

Clearly the violations of the code or war are from the Palestinian sides. The fact that you refuse to reflect that in how Israel retaliates against such aggression. Clearly you are siding with the Terrorists, by allowing them to use their own citizens in you condemnations of Israel. No lives would have been lost had the terrorists not been attacking and putting their own citizens at risk.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Nobody is denying that Hamas doesn't conduct military operations in an urban environment which places Palestinian civilians at grave risk.

OTOH, nobody is denying that the Israeli military has frequently used Palestinian civilians, even children, as actual shields. That even when confronted with the evidence that they were deliberately committing obvious war crimes, the IDF still didn't wish to stop doing so.

 

[NovaKart]

Yes. Protesting against brutal oppression is seldom worth it. If they were completely docile and turned the other cheek to repeated abuse as most Palestinians do, I'm sure things would be much different.

Well there's protesting and then there's putting your hand in a lion's mouth.

 

[Ajidica]

Well there's protesting and then there's putting your hand in a lion's mouth.

There is still something called 'appropriate response'. You don't cruise missile an apartment block because a guy chucked a stone at you.