MELI1 - There aint no leaving the Union - 5CC AW Monarch
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Great turns ! If someone manages that, we can build the Pentagon too
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Melifluous
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Very very nice set of turns.
Two armies now, the AI is in trouble
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Two armies now, the AI is in trouble
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I would like to mention one other technique that I think will be useful in this game. That is the building of outposts. An outpost on an mountain has a radius of 3 if I remember correctly. It will allow us to keep constant vigilance over the lands we manage to clear of enemy units. Once we have rails and have cleared a significant portion of our island, we can keep a smaller force at home that kills units as they land.
I am guessing with us razing cities, we will have plenty of workers to do this with. Even now we can use them on mountains where they have a further range than armies and can keep track of units as the approach us.
I would think them standard fare is nCC games?
I am guessing with us razing cities, we will have plenty of workers to do this with. Even now we can use them on mountains where they have a further range than armies and can keep track of units as the approach us.
I would think them standard fare is nCC games?
Sorry about the wait- been a bit busier than I thought I would be.
Pre-turn: Wow, that's a lot of destroyed cities. India's nearly gone, but the Mayans look strong.
Switch Paris to a Cathedral, as otherwise it'll grow into unhappiness.
IBT: Mayan archer causes our Knight to retreat, but unfortunately, it retreats closer to Mayan units.
760 AD (1) Amsterdam Knight->Knight. Rotterdam SM->Knight. (Rotterdam is now at 18 spt, giving Knights in 4.)
Vet Knight vs. Mayan MDI- kills it, loses 1, but promotes.
Vet Knight vs. Indian Archer on mountian, does 2 damage but retreats.
Vet Knight kills Indian Archer on mountain.
770 AD (2) The Hague Knight->Knight.
Ancient cav vs. Mayan MDI, loses 3, kills it.
Elite Knight vs. Mayan MDI, loses 2, kills it.
Elite Knight vs. Mayan LB, loses 2, kills it, create Great Leader Dirck Hartog.
Elite Knight vs. Mayan LB, flawless victory.
Elite Knight vs. wounded LB, flawless victory.
Change Paris back to a Knight; Dirck can build the Cathedral for them.
Vet Knight dies on Indian Spear. Second Knight kills Spear and captures Settler underneath.
IBT: Mayan LB dies on one of our Knights.
780 AD (3): Amsterdam produces AC. Utrecht Knight->Knight.
Vet Knight flawless kills Mayan LB.
Vet Knight loses 2, kills Mayan LB.
Vet knight loses 2, kills Mayan MDI.
Army flawlessly kills Mayan LB.
MDI dies on Mayan jav.
Army loses 5 hp, kills 3 pikes, razes Mayan's Tikai.
Elite Knight loses 3, kills Indian pike in Chittagong.
Vet Knight loses 2, kills Indian spear and razes Chittagong. 2 catapults captured.
IBT: 2 Mayan MDIs die attacking our forces.
790 AD (4)
Vet AC kills Mayan LB.
Elite AC loses 2, kills Mayan LB.
Wounded vet knight does 1 hp to Mayan jav, retreats.
Vet Knight loses 3, kills Indian MDI.
Elite Knight loses 2, kills Barb Horse.
Elite AC kills Mayan jav.
IBT: Indian archer forces a Knight to retreat. Mayan LB kills an AC. Education and Chemistry are discovered, as apparently China and Russia traded them to each other.
800 AD (5) Begin research on Metallurgy. Amsterdam Knight->Knight. Paris Knight->Cathedral. Rotterdam Knight->Knight.
Vet knight kills Indian archer.
Elite knight loses 2, kills barb warrior.
Elite knight kills barb horse, disperses camp for 25 g.
MDI kills Mayan archer.
Vet knight kills Mayan archer, promotes.
Army kills Mayan archer.
Vet knight redlines, kills spear in Pune, razes city.
Attack on Bonampak:
Elite knight loses 4, kills pike.
Vet knight flawlessly kills pike.
Vet knight does 1, dies on pike.
Elite knight kills wounded pike, spawns Henry Hudson.
Dirck's knight loses 2, kills LB, razes city.
Vet AC loses 2, kills Mayan pike.
810 AD (6) Paris Cathedral-> Knight.
Amsterdam switched to a University. Henry Hudson finishes it.
Army takes 3 hp, kills pike, spear, and LB, and razes Mayan city of Dzibilchaltun.
Other army takes 6 hp, kills 2 pikes, and razes Mayan city of Piedras Negras.
Finally remember Science slider. Sorry. Set it to 50%; Metallurgy in 21 turns at -5gpt.
820 AD (7) Amsterdam University->Knight.
Elite AC kills archer outside of Madras.
Vet knight kills barb warrior.
Vet knight kills barb warrior, disperses camp.
830 AD (8) Amsterdam produces AC. The Hague Knight->University.
Vet knight loses 1, kills Mayan pike.
Attack on Madras:
Elite AC loses 1, kills spear.
Vet Knight kills spear, razes city.
Nice little ego boost, here.
Elite knight kills barb warrior.
IBT: First Mayan Knight shows up, attacks a vet knight, does 3 hp and dies. Mayan LB kills an elite knight.
840 AD (9):Rotterdam Knight->University. Utrecht Knight->Knight.
Elite Knight loses 3, kills Mayan LB.
Found Dyes colony.
Attack on Palanque:
Vet AC kills pike.
Elite knight loses 4(!), kills pike.
Elite knight does 1, dies on pike.
Vet AC kills LB.
Vet knight loses 2, kills pike, razes city.
Elite knight kills Mayan LB.
MDI does 2, dies on Pike.
Elite knight kills barb warrior, disperses camp.
IBT: Mayans drop an MDI off near Amsterdam.
850 AD (10):
Attack on Quiriguia:
Vet knight dies doing no damage to pike.
Vet knight does 2, retreats.
Elite knight does 2, retreats.
Vet knight kills pike.
Vet knight loses 2, kills pike.
Elite AC redlines, but kills the last pike and razes the city.
Vet knight loses 1, kills pike.
Army pillages Mayan iron.
Vet knight loses 3, kills Mayan MDI.
Notes: I left the army in Mayan territory unmoved for the next player to decide what to do with. Chicen Itza is right there, and our army can probably hurt it, but I doubt they only have 2 defenders in there. The other army is on its way, along with several other knights.
I can't imagine that the Mayans have more than 4 cities left, which means we've almost cleared out our continent. Full picture in next post.
I've been using workers to build outposts so that we can keep a strong eye on our lands, so don't freak out over the little towers that are everywhere. We have so many slaves from city razing that I don't know what else to do with them.
I've had us researching Metallurgy in the assumption that we would need Cavalry to really make the difference; but now that the Mayans are broken, we may want to go for Astronomy next so that we can start building the fleet we'll need to invade the 2nd continent and avoid being invaded ourselves.
Take it away!
Pre-turn: Wow, that's a lot of destroyed cities. India's nearly gone, but the Mayans look strong.
Switch Paris to a Cathedral, as otherwise it'll grow into unhappiness.
IBT: Mayan archer causes our Knight to retreat, but unfortunately, it retreats closer to Mayan units.
760 AD (1) Amsterdam Knight->Knight. Rotterdam SM->Knight. (Rotterdam is now at 18 spt, giving Knights in 4.)
Vet Knight vs. Mayan MDI- kills it, loses 1, but promotes.
Vet Knight vs. Indian Archer on mountian, does 2 damage but retreats.
Vet Knight kills Indian Archer on mountain.
770 AD (2) The Hague Knight->Knight.
Ancient cav vs. Mayan MDI, loses 3, kills it.
Elite Knight vs. Mayan MDI, loses 2, kills it.
Elite Knight vs. Mayan LB, loses 2, kills it, create Great Leader Dirck Hartog.
Elite Knight vs. Mayan LB, flawless victory.
Elite Knight vs. wounded LB, flawless victory.
Change Paris back to a Knight; Dirck can build the Cathedral for them.
Vet Knight dies on Indian Spear. Second Knight kills Spear and captures Settler underneath.
IBT: Mayan LB dies on one of our Knights.
780 AD (3): Amsterdam produces AC. Utrecht Knight->Knight.
Vet Knight flawless kills Mayan LB.
Vet Knight loses 2, kills Mayan LB.
Vet knight loses 2, kills Mayan MDI.
Army flawlessly kills Mayan LB.
MDI dies on Mayan jav.
Army loses 5 hp, kills 3 pikes, razes Mayan's Tikai.
Elite Knight loses 3, kills Indian pike in Chittagong.
Vet Knight loses 2, kills Indian spear and razes Chittagong. 2 catapults captured.
IBT: 2 Mayan MDIs die attacking our forces.
790 AD (4)
Vet AC kills Mayan LB.
Elite AC loses 2, kills Mayan LB.
Wounded vet knight does 1 hp to Mayan jav, retreats.
Vet Knight loses 3, kills Indian MDI.
Elite Knight loses 2, kills Barb Horse.
Elite AC kills Mayan jav.
IBT: Indian archer forces a Knight to retreat. Mayan LB kills an AC. Education and Chemistry are discovered, as apparently China and Russia traded them to each other.
800 AD (5) Begin research on Metallurgy. Amsterdam Knight->Knight. Paris Knight->Cathedral. Rotterdam Knight->Knight.
Vet knight kills Indian archer.
Elite knight loses 2, kills barb warrior.
Elite knight kills barb horse, disperses camp for 25 g.
MDI kills Mayan archer.
Vet knight kills Mayan archer, promotes.
Army kills Mayan archer.
Vet knight redlines, kills spear in Pune, razes city.
Attack on Bonampak:
Elite knight loses 4, kills pike.
Vet knight flawlessly kills pike.
Vet knight does 1, dies on pike.
Elite knight kills wounded pike, spawns Henry Hudson.
Dirck's knight loses 2, kills LB, razes city.
Vet AC loses 2, kills Mayan pike.
810 AD (6) Paris Cathedral-> Knight.
Amsterdam switched to a University. Henry Hudson finishes it.
Army takes 3 hp, kills pike, spear, and LB, and razes Mayan city of Dzibilchaltun.
Other army takes 6 hp, kills 2 pikes, and razes Mayan city of Piedras Negras.
Finally remember Science slider. Sorry. Set it to 50%; Metallurgy in 21 turns at -5gpt.
820 AD (7) Amsterdam University->Knight.
Elite AC kills archer outside of Madras.
Vet knight kills barb warrior.
Vet knight kills barb warrior, disperses camp.
830 AD (8) Amsterdam produces AC. The Hague Knight->University.
Vet knight loses 1, kills Mayan pike.
Attack on Madras:
Elite AC loses 1, kills spear.
Vet Knight kills spear, razes city.
Nice little ego boost, here.
Elite knight kills barb warrior.
IBT: First Mayan Knight shows up, attacks a vet knight, does 3 hp and dies. Mayan LB kills an elite knight.
840 AD (9):Rotterdam Knight->University. Utrecht Knight->Knight.
Elite Knight loses 3, kills Mayan LB.
Found Dyes colony.
Attack on Palanque:
Vet AC kills pike.
Elite knight loses 4(!), kills pike.
Elite knight does 1, dies on pike.
Vet AC kills LB.
Vet knight loses 2, kills pike, razes city.
Elite knight kills Mayan LB.
MDI does 2, dies on Pike.
Elite knight kills barb warrior, disperses camp.
IBT: Mayans drop an MDI off near Amsterdam.
850 AD (10):
Attack on Quiriguia:
Vet knight dies doing no damage to pike.
Vet knight does 2, retreats.
Elite knight does 2, retreats.
Vet knight kills pike.
Vet knight loses 2, kills pike.
Elite AC redlines, but kills the last pike and razes the city.
Vet knight loses 1, kills pike.
Army pillages Mayan iron.
Vet knight loses 3, kills Mayan MDI.
Notes: I left the army in Mayan territory unmoved for the next player to decide what to do with. Chicen Itza is right there, and our army can probably hurt it, but I doubt they only have 2 defenders in there. The other army is on its way, along with several other knights.
I can't imagine that the Mayans have more than 4 cities left, which means we've almost cleared out our continent. Full picture in next post.
I've been using workers to build outposts so that we can keep a strong eye on our lands, so don't freak out over the little towers that are everywhere. We have so many slaves from city razing that I don't know what else to do with them.
I've had us researching Metallurgy in the assumption that we would need Cavalry to really make the difference; but now that the Mayans are broken, we may want to go for Astronomy next so that we can start building the fleet we'll need to invade the 2nd continent and avoid being invaded ourselves.
Take it away!
Good Work Corrado 
The first civ Killed!
It might be worth raising science to 100%. This seems a very reasonable place to spend our money. We could get Metallurgy in 8 at -80 gpt if we wanted. (or in 11 at -35 gpt). We have 2400+ at the moment.
Edit: The Mayans have 8 cities left so it will take a bit of effort to kill them. I don't expect it to be hard however.
I think Metallurgy, Astronomy. physics, Magnetism at full. We can then send our armies across to pillage stuff while we work on Mil Tradition.
The faster we research the better imho, so we can damage the other civs homelands.
The first civ Killed!It might be worth raising science to 100%. This seems a very reasonable place to spend our money. We could get Metallurgy in 8 at -80 gpt if we wanted. (or in 11 at -35 gpt). We have 2400+ at the moment.
Edit: The Mayans have 8 cities left so it will take a bit of effort to kill them. I don't expect it to be hard however.
I think Metallurgy, Astronomy. physics, Magnetism at full. We can then send our armies across to pillage stuff while we work on Mil Tradition.
The faster we research the better imho, so we can damage the other civs homelands.
Melifluous
King
Originally posted by Greebley
Good Work Corrado
Apart from the French of course
Great set of turns Corrado!
Armies really are awesome arent they?
But to have two must have made this easier
goodjob: Greebley)Come on lets kill some more!
Melifluous
jack merchant
Internationalist
More killin' ? Sure thing, boss - I'm on it 
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Melifluous
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I forgot totally about the French. 
The first well established civ?
I really like the conquests GL/army changes. Seems more appropriate than simply rushing wonders.
The first well established civ?
I really like the conquests GL/army changes. Seems more appropriate than simply rushing wonders.
Maya has 8 cities left? 
They didn't look nearly that strong on the map. Hope they haven't settled off-continent...
The armies definitely made the conquest of Mayan lands a lot easier- they did far more than any 6 Knights could have. Hopefully, they'll still be effective once we learn how to send them over to the next continent...
They didn't look nearly that strong on the map. Hope they haven't settled off-continent...
The armies definitely made the conquest of Mayan lands a lot easier- they did far more than any 6 Knights could have. Hopefully, they'll still be effective once we learn how to send them over to the next continent...
The AI may target the armies on flat if it has nothing else to go for. Or we may be able to pillage in peace. I haven't quite figured out when the AI chooses between the two. In a recent game the AI would not attack my Conquistador armies on mountains (which are totally awesome BTW - they can move and pillage 9 squares a turn - makes the Spanish an suprisingly strong AW Civ). That is str 4, so I am guessing the AI would not attack a fortified Knight army or in hills or mountains.
If we have another target for the AI to go for (a beachhead town for example) then it would almost certainly leave the army completely alone, unless the town had too many defenders....
If we have another target for the AI to go for (a beachhead town for example) then it would almost certainly leave the army completely alone, unless the town had too many defenders....
jack merchant
Internationalist
Please skip me - I won't make the 48 as I seem to have contracted a bad head cold and need to interview for a job tomorrow.
Melifluous
King
Sorry to hear that Jack.
Good Luck on the interview.
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Good Luck on the interview.
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0 - 850AD
Four cities switch to University while Amsterdam builds Knights.
Science slider 70%, 11 turns/-35gpt.
Knight army kills two pikes on Chichén Itza. hp 10/14.
It lost Knight
1 - 860AD
Amsterdam: knight ->knight
Knight army continues killing spree, 3 pikes die and CItza razed. hp 6/14.
2 - 870AD
3x Trebuchet bombard on Calakm, 0 hits
Knight army2 kills 3 pikes, Kaminaljuyú razed. hp 5/14.
3 - 880AD
SoZ: ->AC
3x Trebuchet bombard on Calakm, 0 hits
1 Knight retreats and 1 dies vs reg pike.
IT Chinese and Russians are building Copernicus.
4 - 890AD
MI kills redlined pike.
3x´Trebuchet bombard on Calakm, 2 hits.
Elite Knight kills one pike, veteran AC kills one. Calakm razed.
My knight was killing secluded pike when GL appeared.
Colosseum in The Hague rushed -156gp. Jantszoon is going to rush University.
5 - 900AD
Amsterdam: Knight ->Knight
The Hague: Colosseum ->University
Two pikes defend Tulúm. Elite Knight kills one, veteran Knight dies, second veteran Knight kills it. Tulúm razed.
Knight army is healed. It kills two pikes on Copán. hp 9/14.
IT lost Knight
6 - 910AD
The Hague: University (GL rushed) ->Knight
Copán, Elite knight kills reg pike. Knight army kills narrowly vet spear. hp 3/14. Elite AC kills vet spear. Copán razed.
Knight army2 kills 2 pikes on Uaxactún. Town razed.
7 - 920AD
Lagartero, is defended by 2 brave pikeman. 2 Knights die and 3 retreats. Elite AC kills pike, GL Abel Tasmo appearead.
Yachicán razed. army2 killed pike and vet knight pike.
8 - 930AD
SOZ: AC
Utrecht: Colosseum ->University
9 - 940AD
Amsterdam: Knight ->Harbor (boats and upgrading.)
Lagartero, two armies combine forces and Lagartero razed. Mayans have only one island city left.
IT Metallurgy ->Astronomy
10 - 950AD
Paris: University ->harbor
Rotterdam: University ->Swiss
2 cat and 3 trebuchet upgraded to cannons.
China is the powerhouse, maybe next victim ?
I left science to 100%, Astronomy in 6 turns.
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Good luck Melifluous.
Four cities switch to University while Amsterdam builds Knights.
Science slider 70%, 11 turns/-35gpt.
Knight army kills two pikes on Chichén Itza. hp 10/14.
It lost Knight
1 - 860AD
Amsterdam: knight ->knight
Knight army continues killing spree, 3 pikes die and CItza razed. hp 6/14.
2 - 870AD
3x Trebuchet bombard on Calakm, 0 hits
Knight army2 kills 3 pikes, Kaminaljuyú razed. hp 5/14.
3 - 880AD
SoZ: ->AC
3x Trebuchet bombard on Calakm, 0 hits
1 Knight retreats and 1 dies vs reg pike.
IT Chinese and Russians are building Copernicus.
4 - 890AD
MI kills redlined pike.
3x´Trebuchet bombard on Calakm, 2 hits.
Elite Knight kills one pike, veteran AC kills one. Calakm razed.
My knight was killing secluded pike when GL appeared.
Colosseum in The Hague rushed -156gp. Jantszoon is going to rush University.
5 - 900AD
Amsterdam: Knight ->Knight
The Hague: Colosseum ->University
Two pikes defend Tulúm. Elite Knight kills one, veteran Knight dies, second veteran Knight kills it. Tulúm razed.
Knight army is healed. It kills two pikes on Copán. hp 9/14.
IT lost Knight
6 - 910AD
The Hague: University (GL rushed) ->Knight
Copán, Elite knight kills reg pike. Knight army kills narrowly vet spear. hp 3/14. Elite AC kills vet spear. Copán razed.
Knight army2 kills 2 pikes on Uaxactún. Town razed.
7 - 920AD
Lagartero, is defended by 2 brave pikeman. 2 Knights die and 3 retreats. Elite AC kills pike, GL Abel Tasmo appearead.
Yachicán razed. army2 killed pike and vet knight pike.
8 - 930AD
SOZ: AC
Utrecht: Colosseum ->University
9 - 940AD
Amsterdam: Knight ->Harbor (boats and upgrading.)
Lagartero, two armies combine forces and Lagartero razed. Mayans have only one island city left.
IT Metallurgy ->Astronomy
10 - 950AD
Paris: University ->harbor
Rotterdam: University ->Swiss
2 cat and 3 trebuchet upgraded to cannons.
China is the powerhouse, maybe next victim ?
I left science to 100%, Astronomy in 6 turns.
The Save
Good luck Melifluous.
Melifluous
King
Got it.
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Okay, serious strategy discussion time, here.
We have a serious hurdle to overcome now. We've conquered our continent, and done a fine job. We have general tech parity, and a few strong armies.
And we're going to fall behind very quickly. The AIs all research much faster than we do normally, and add in their larger size and the fact that they'll trade with each other, and we should expect a serious tech gap to come along soon. Especially now that we have a forced peacetime because we're trying to figure out how to cross the sea.
Tech-wise- I think we want to research Military Tradition before Astronomy and Navigation. With Cavalry, we can send out units nearly as strong as our armies, but we won't need to wait for Galleons to transport them. (IIRC, Caravels take 3 units, meaning our armies can't be transported.) If we wait on MT, we're just going to be twiddling our thumbs, waiting to get Galleons, and allow our enemies to build up their forces.
Military- We should switch Knight production over to SM and Cannon. There's little chance that we'll avoid having to put Cavalry up against Riflemen; we're too close to the end of the Middle Ages. So, we'll need massive bombardment stacks in order to avoid massive losses.
We have a serious hurdle to overcome now. We've conquered our continent, and done a fine job. We have general tech parity, and a few strong armies.
And we're going to fall behind very quickly. The AIs all research much faster than we do normally, and add in their larger size and the fact that they'll trade with each other, and we should expect a serious tech gap to come along soon. Especially now that we have a forced peacetime because we're trying to figure out how to cross the sea.
Tech-wise- I think we want to research Military Tradition before Astronomy and Navigation. With Cavalry, we can send out units nearly as strong as our armies, but we won't need to wait for Galleons to transport them. (IIRC, Caravels take 3 units, meaning our armies can't be transported.) If we wait on MT, we're just going to be twiddling our thumbs, waiting to get Galleons, and allow our enemies to build up their forces.
Military- We should switch Knight production over to SM and Cannon. There's little chance that we'll avoid having to put Cavalry up against Riflemen; we're too close to the end of the Middle Ages. So, we'll need massive bombardment stacks in order to avoid massive losses.
Without astronomy we cannot safely reach the other continent at all. I think Astronomy then Mil Trad is better, unless we feel we need Cavalry to finish off the Mayans.
