Mentally disabled kids tortured in American centre

[SS-18 ICBM]

Depressants work like that. Because encouraging greater neural activity in a poorly wired neural network is bound to increase the number of errors. You typically don't want that.

 

[MobBoss]

The fact that the detractors to this practice have yet, after all this discussion, to come up with a valid answer of how they would do things differently speaks volumes to me. Pages and pages of cries of 'torture' and yet not a single offer of a viable alternative to these parents and the problem they face.

I dont really see anything compassionate in closing this facility and throwing these kids and their parents out on the street one final time. What precisely are they supposed to do then if it were closed? Simply allow their violent childrent to hurt themselves or others? Other facilities wont take them...so where are they supposed to go? Prison? Homeless on the street? Or just keep them constantly drugged up in order to control them?

Compassion indeed.

 

[JollyRoger]

The fact that the detractors to this practice have yet, after all this discussion, to come up with a valid answer of how they would do things differently speaks volumes to me.

That you missed or dismissed the suggestion of prayer speaks volumes to me and your God.

 

[Yeekim]

Again, reading comprehension is something you should look into if you wish to be taken seriously on these forums useless.

Seconded.

Once again, the above is a patently absurd position with no basis in fact.

I suggest you copy it into your signature.

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[MobBoss]

What you don't seem to understand Mobboss, that these people are treating these helpless, vulnerable and innocent victims worse then wild, rabid animals. If this was to happen in the U.K there would be a crap storm of epic proportions. What's really sad is how quick you are to agree and accept this, and the fact it exists only makes me realise how regressive and frankly backwards America is.

It seems this got the attention of more than a few people. One of which pm'd me the following:

Some 400 psychiatric patients received 2,700 electric shock treatments in 2008, according to the Mental Health Commission. At least 43 were involuntarily detained and received about 300 doses without giving consent. Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) involves attaching electrodes to the scalp that send a current through the brain and result in a seizure that most psychiatrists consider beneficial. Most of last year’s ECT patients suffered depressive disorders, schizophrenia or mania and had not responded to medication. Guidelines state ECT should only be used when alternative therapies have been considered or failed. It should only be administered with the patient’s consent, or if that’s not possible, with the approval of two consultant psychiatrists.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6954417.ece

Point being, other countries conduct this same kind of therapy. So the USA is hardly 'regressive and backwards' as was alleged.

Also, a quick comment on its effectiveness:

Positive connectivity: Psychiatrists believe that it can save the lives of depressives

Many consultant psychiatrists and professional bodies believe that ECT is an effective and important treatment. Justin Brophy, president of the Irish College of Psychiatry, said the dangers are often misrepresented. He said research indicates that memory loss is usually short term and can be resolved. The Scottish ECT Accreditation Network found that 74% of patients who consented, and 86% of patients who did not, showed a definite improvement following ECT last year. John Moloney, left, the minister of state for mental health, recently referred to a 2003 review in The Lancet which found that ECT was probably more effective than drug therapy. However, the recorded number of patients receiving electric shock therapy has fallen over recent years.

So, the Lancet back in 2003 publised a review that this type of therapy is more effective than drug treatment? I guess that closes the lid on whether it actually works or not.

Anyone else wishing to argue against this some more?

 

[JollyRoger]

So, the Lancet back in 2003 publised a review that this type of therapy is more effective than drug treatment? I guess that closes the lid on whether it actually works or not.

Anyone else wishing to argue against this some more?

I for one will not argue with Lancet.

 

[Glassfan]

Well, it's been a week. What has the UN done?

 

[Lord Baal]

Well, it's been a week. What has the UN done?

They've sent an investigative force to the hospital which doesn't have the legal right to look at anything the administration doesn't want them too. If they don't find anything, they'll send in a peace-keeping force without the legal right to defend anyone from anything.

 

[MobBoss]

Well, it's been a week. What has the UN done?

A week? Hell, they dealt with Saddam for like 14 years while hardly lifting a finger and were willing to go longer. Be patient.

 

[Glassfan]

And presumably there will be an "Oil-for-Electronic-Restraints" program?

 

[Lord Baal]

And presumably there will be an "Oil-for-Electronic-Restraints" program?

Then we can use the backpacks to shock the Kurds.

 

[JollyRoger]

A week? Hell, they dealt with Saddam for like 14 years while hardly lifting a finger and were willing to go longer. Be patient.

Yeah, it only took W a handful of years and a few thousand American lives to verify Saddam didn't have WMD.

 

[MobBoss]

And presumably there will be an "Oil-for-Electronic-Restraints" program?

Well, they do need PMCS dont they? Or would a little WD40 make do?

 

[Theige]

Useless, you spelled "center" wrong in the thread title.

I suggest spell-check next time. I know you're probably not a native speaker; that should help you learn the language more quickly.

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[Lord Baal]

Useless, you spelled "center" wrong in the thread title.

I suggest spell-check next time. I know you're probably not a native speaker; that should help you learn the language more quickly.

I think .useless is British. In Britain and Australia 'centre' is spelt 're,' rather than the American 'er." Don't know which of the two Canada uses.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

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[useless]

Useless, you spelled "center" wrong in the thread title.

I suggest spell-check next time. I know you're probably not a native speaker; that should help you learn the language more quickly.

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I am British, not American.

 

[useless]

I'm actually pretty offended, how dare you, an American of all people talk about my english. I'm Scottish too your all so closed minded

 

[Tabster]

The shocks being delivered to the children in the op are not therapeutic, they are part of a program of restraint.

after an in-depth investigation revealed use of restraint boards, isolation, food deprivation and electric shocks in efforts to control the behaviors of its disabled and emotionally troubled students.

They are not the equivalent of ECT.

 

[Theige]

I'm actually pretty offended, how dare you, an American of all people talk about my english. I'm Scottish too your all so closed minded

You Scots have your own language, so it seems I was spot on about English not being your native language

I think .useless is British. In Britain and Australia 'centre' is spelt 're,' rather than the American 'er." Don't know which of the two Canada uses.

They'll come around and adopt our conventions eventually, silly that these small nations have their own spellings.