"Minorities" in your Community

[Bigfoot3814]

Do we have to derail the tread to pander to the abserdities of a biggoted teen?

I don't think I did. I related what he said to my own community.

 

[Squonk]

Continuing, Warsaw. Of Jewish community, once 33-40% strong, only three working synagogues are left. There are quite some Vietnameese and Turks, as well as other immigrants, students, whatever. Vietnameese are probably by far the largest minority, and perhaps Chineese are second, but I don't really distinguish them. Vietnameese are perhaps a bit darker and skinnier, but I may be wrong.
There are a lot of churches of different denominations, a mosque, a synagugue or more, a buddhist temple etc. But the city is clearly RC.

Damascus is muslim, mostly sunni, but also 12-imam shii and alawite. A quater I used to live in is allegedly alawite by some part, and my landlord indeed was an alawite. There were christians of various denominations:
- greek-orthodox (the biggest part)
- greek-catholic (also very numerable)
- armenian-orthodox
- armenian-catholic
- syrian-orthodox
- syrian-catholic
- chaldean
- protestant
- roman-catholic
Christians are 12% in Syria, in Damascus it's more than that, about 20% according to my own personal view.
There is a quater with some druze I believe. And an old (arabised) and a new turkish quater. A guy I knew was Kurdish, but I don't think there are many Kurds in Damascus.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

What kinda gay-ass poll is this?

I hear Servo from MST3K saying this when I read it.

 

[Traitorfish]

Its hilarious how the Turks and Arabs could never conquer Europe militarily, so they decided to just migrate to Europe and you guys actually fell for it. Have fun living in the Sultanate of Europistan in 50 years with sharia law everywhere lol.

You've clearly never met a second-generation Muslim immigrant, have you? Hell, I'm not convinced you've ever met a Muslim. Most of the radicals stay at home and quietly resent the west, those who actually bother to migrate are generally the progressive ones are quite tolerant of non-Islamic religion. Here, second and third generation immigrants are basically British people who happen to have a different ethnic background, they're not interested in Islamising Europe.

Great you have lost your culture and identity. With globalisation there will soon only be one culture, an americanized commercial culture. Genuine native cultures are loosing ground.

Considering that your ancestors Germanic culture nearly obliterated my ancestor's Celtic culture a thousand or so years ago, all I can say is HA!

Both slavic and nordic people are white

So are Iranians, Pakistanis, Afghans, Berbers, Kurds and Armenians. Why aren't they allowed in the Aryan Club?

 

[MagisterCultuum]

So are Iranians, Pakistanis, Afghans, Berbers, Kurds and Armenians. Why aren't they allowed in the Aryan Club?

Aren't they? Iranian and Ayran are variants of the same word. Iran was quite friendly with Nazi Germany.

Armenians, Iranians and Kurds are definitely White/Aryans, but I'm not so sure about the other groups. There are numerous different schemes of diving up races, and most would not consider them white. Some would consider everyone not from Sub-Saharan Africa (including all North Africans, Native Americans, Asians, Polynesians, and Australian Aborigines) to be white. Others don't even consider the Irish white.

I've always been of the opinion that all such systems are silly social constructs.

 

[Traitorfish]

Aren't they? Iranian and Ayran are variants of the same word. Iran was quite friendly with Nazi Germany.

True, I suppose. I was talking about Alda's own opinions more than anything else, and they seem to exclude all non-Northern Europeans from being "white".

Armenians, Iranians and Kurds are definitely White/Aryans, but I'm not so sure about the other groups. There are numerous different schemes of diving up races, and most would not consider them white. Some would consider everyone not from Sub-Saharan Africa (including all North Africans, Native Americans, Asians, Polynesians, and Australian Aborigines) to be white. Others don't even consider the Irish white.

Also true, but the standard anthropolical perception of "white" is equivalent to "Caucasian", which certainly covers non-Arabic North Africans and Indo-Aryan Indians. Some would even argue that it extends to Arabs and Central Asians.. It's vague, of course, and there's certainly no defining lines, but that's exactly why Alda's own arguments fall apart. "Race" is a fiction, which is why people always end up defining it by non-racial means such as ethnicity.

I've always been of the opinion that all such systems are silly social constructs.

Truest of all. The modern concepts of "race" date from the colonial period, essentially a tool to justify the suppression and slaughter of non-Europeans. Prior to that, ethnicity- as in a more local national or tribal identity- was far more important, and, in Europe and the Middle East, religion even more so.

 

[AL_DA_GREAT]

Eh, not really. I've just become a carrier-link for multiple cultures.

As for the "I want to preserve" portion, are cultures mutually exclusive? It is possible to retain traditional Swedish culture while absorbing the ideas of other cultures. Why don't you want everyone to look the same? Wouldn't that also reduce racism? That point made, I have to point out that even after thousands of years of "inter-racial" marriages, we would still look different.

Er, don't know what you're smoking but those two are both racially and culturally different. Oh noes, if you allow inter-racial marriages between Europeans, you'll end up with one homogenized culture! By definition, culture is an amalgamation of language, religion, tradition, and other goodies. Let's compare Swedish and French culture:

Language: Completely different
Religion: One favors Catholic while the other favors Protestant
Traditions: It would be difficult to find French people who routinely listen to Swedish folk-music etc.

On multiple criteria, Romance cultures differ from Nordic cultures, so the bit about preserving and not mixing cultures is ironic since you are the product of a mix of cultures. Yes, white people have different cultures amongst themselves, so do every other color on this earth.

As for race, you are a mix yourself.

OMG, the Germanics need to stay in their own lands, while the Slavs need to stay in their own corner of the world! We need to preserve teh blond hair and blue eyes of Scandinavia from teh brown eyes and dark hair of Southern Europe! You don't want to have a homogenized Europe where everyone has the same culture and appearance, do you?

As for Japan, I ask you: ever hear of yakuza? And why were you even there? Shouldn't you stay in your own lands and refuse to buy any and all Japanese goods? It must have been tough searching for the Franco-Swedish restaurant every time you were hungry in Japan, right?

Because it would be boring and 1984ish to have a world with super rational non cultural beings.

Having people of different races in the same area creates tension. Segregating doesn't.

One European people. There are no swedes or french people. We are all mixed. I know very few people who are of pure swedish decent. We could be described as european, not as swedes. I don't oppose europeans moving and marrying with in Europe.

As for tourism I do not oppose it. I have no problem with non whites entering the country for limited periods of time as long as they don't race mix and don't have a major impact on the native population.

 

[Shylock]

I like minority. They bring kickass food.

Mexicans and Chinese especially.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I like minority. They bring kickass food.

Mexicans and Chinese especially.

Word up. Ethnic food is a wonderful byproduct of cultural diversity.

 

[Thorbal]

Because it would be boring and 1984ish to have a world with super rational non cultural beings.

But culture is not necessarily bound to ethnicity at all.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Bucharest, Romania - I don't think we have any stable minority except for the Roma. Some of them are perfectly ok people (I could give a few tens of examples from my music highschool - music highschools are probably the places with most Romas concentrated in any kind of educational institution), some of them are beggars and the kind of people we are famous for, abroad. Can't give a general rule, but I would DEFINITELY prefer if the latter group would change its habits or leave. The former kind, I'd be happy to help them stay if they ever need my help.

Honestly I'd like a bit more diversity, I don't know why, I guess it just denotes well-being and good standard of living. We have almost no immigration, although we do get quite a bit of tourists, mostly in the early summer.

Occasionally we'll get Hungarians from the areas with a significant Hungarian population, but not very often. And I know 2 Koreans living here.

I always wondered, does it feel a bit silly when call the Roma a seperate ethnic group when you guys are Romanian?

During communist times, we used to have quite a lot of African students at various unis here, but now there are much less.

Yeah I've read about that, the Eastern Bloc had a wonderful student exchange program with other socialist nations, as well as the rest of the Bloc itself.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

southern culture here is different from northern culture and west coast culture. but we're the same race...what now, al?

how do we solve this?

 

[Mirc]

I always wondered, does it feel a bit silly when call the Roma a seperate ethnic group when you guys are Romanian?

The Romanians and the Romas have, quite simply, nothing to do with each other. Apart from the fact that many Romas live in Romania. Names are completely unrelated. The name is just as related as it is to Romu, Sudan.

Some Romanians would kill you for that statement (and some Romas too, actually), but I'm neither ignorant of the idea that it's just a widespread confusion, nor a nationalist.

Yeah I've read about that, the Eastern Bloc had a wonderful student exchange program with other socialist nations, as well as the rest of the Bloc itself.

Yeah, my father even has a picture with the son of a "king" Who came to study here, at the university he used to teach at.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

The Romanians and the Romas have, quite simply, nothing to do with each other. Apart from the fact that many Romas live in Romania. Names are completely unrelated.

I meant the similarity of the names. If you didn't know what the Roma are, you might think they were Romanian (just as you might confuse Romanian and Romanish language names). I just imagine that it would seem silly to say a name so close to your own as if it were something different.

Yeah, my father even has a picture with the son of a "king" Who came to study here, at the university he used to teach at.

That's awesome.

 

[Mirc]

I meant the similarity of the names. If you didn't know what the Roma are, you might think they were Romanian (just as you might confuse Romanian and Romanish language names). I just imagine that it would seem silly to say a name so close to your own as if it were something different.

No, it doesn't feel weird, because we don't call them Roma, and nobody in Europe actually calls them Roma, except for themselves. (and BTW, the fact that they - or at least some of them - call themselves so, is not a reason to call them so - as we call them Germans and not Deutschers, we call it Finland and not Suomi, we call it Greece and not Ellada, we call it Hungary and not Magyarorszag, we call it Japan not Nippon, we call it Switzerland not Confederation Helvetique, etc)

And BTW, the names Romanian and Romansh still have some connection, as they both stem from the Latin phrase "Romanice loqui" (to speak the language of the people of the Roman Empire as opposed to the language of the officials) - Roma is even farther away, as it has nothing to do with Rome. "Roma" was artificially introduced in European languages anyway.

 

[Squonk]

So are Iranians, Pakistanis, Afghans, Berbers, Kurds and Armenians. Why aren't they allowed in the Aryan Club?

Actually, I remember reading an article in a reliable newspaper about Hitler's policy towards Arabs, which claimed that Hitler and his company tried to excuse themselbes in their efforts to forge an alliance with Arabic groups) by claiming Arabs aren't really semites, because there was so much Armenian, Kurdish and Circassian blood flowing in them

 

[jeps]

The loss of your culture and heritage?

My culture and heritage is stronger than ever. I show others MY culture, they show me theirs. I still retain my canadian culture and especially my jewish culture, and my jewish heritage, but i am exposed to HUNDREDS of other cultures, to learn from, live in, and experience.

exposure to other cultures does not necessitate the loss of my own. i am not japanese, though i love japanese culture. i am not thai, but i enjoy thai food and culture. i am who i am, but i can see how others live as well.

 

[Narz]

Racially diverse areas often have higher crime than less racially diverse ones. I don't care personally but as the economy continues to slide down over the next few decades (due to peak oil, currency collapse, climate refugees, etc.) racial tensions may escalate. This isn't stopping me from considering relocating to a city in South Carolina where I've been offered a job (that is about 47% white, 46% black and 7% other) but it is a factor in my long-term planning. Not because of any prejudice on my part but simply to be out of the way of any undue breakdown in social order.

 

[jeps]

Racially diverse areas often have higher crime than less racially diverse ones. I don't care personally but as the economy continues to slide down over the next few decades (due to peak oil, currency collapse, climate refugees, etc.) racial tensions may escalate. This isn't stopping me from considering relocating to a city in South Carolina where I've been offered a job (that is about 47% white, 46% black and 7% other) but it is a factor in my long-term planning. Not because of any prejudice on my part but simply to be out of the way of any undue breakdown in social order.

my area of town has a lower crime rate than rosedale, which is majorly white, and has WAY less immigrants than many other parts of the city. and in my area, white is the minority. so not always.

 

[holy king]

Racially diverse areas often have higher crime than less racially diverse ones.

anyway, has it ever occured to you that immigrants may generally be among the poorer parts of a country's population?

and when will the day come where the english language finally drops the concept of human "races"?...