Mitt and Barack answer important science questions

The Internet

Mitt Romney:
It is not the role of any government to “manage” the Internet. The Internet has flourished precisely because government has so far refrained from regulating this dynamic and essential cornerstone of our economy. I would rely primarily on innovation and market forces, not bureaucrats, to shape the Internet and maximize its economic, social and scientific value.

I don't think Mitt understands how the internet works.

The internet needs to be regulated so that it can remain to be free and open. If you let billionaires and corporations have their free reign with it,... that will not lead to the internet being free and open. How could it? They'll just try to milk as much money as possible out of the thing.. That will not be good for netizens like us
 
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I don't think Mitt understands how the internet works.

The internet needs to be regulated so that it can remain to be free and open. If you let billionaires and corporations have their free reign with it,... that will not lead to the internet being free and open. How could it? They'll just try to milk as much money as possible out of the thing.. That will not be good for netizens like us
Haven't read it, but I think he's talking about not pulling a China and impeding free speech, etc... Could be wrong.
 
Mitt Romney seems to produce huge walls of text.
 
basically they both agree on the problems but differ on the solutions. in general obama wants to invest public money; whilst mitt romney wants to reform taxes and regulations to make it less costlier and easy to devolop science. it's too prepared and planned to be any fun, i prefer it a bit more off the cuff.
 
I read through a good amount of it...
Seems like a bunch of wonky lies and a little bit of half-statements, instead of only a little bit of wonk and a bunch of half-statements.

That's why for most questions I skimmed through both responses. Much of it is just rhetoric. Some of the responses are interesting though.
 
exactly.
it looks like they were sent the questions in advance, had several weeks to formulate an answer and i imagine the president and challenger did not see their "answers" untill the final draft..
 
Haven't read it, but I think he's talking about not pulling a China and impeding free speech, etc... Could be wrong.

He's trying to roll "internet neutrality" and China-style "internet censorship" all into one thing, which just doesn't work.
 
I saw in passing that Obama announced a plan this week for support of STEM (Science, Tech, Engineering, and Math) school programs. FWIW
 
Why? its not like their running to be scientists.
Yes, it probably wouldn't alter who I'd vote for if I voted, but it'd be interesting to see. This is basically the usual canned talking points.

Rather then a debate, I'd like to see presidential candidate trivia night.
 
Why? its not like their running to be scientists.

Science is still pretty damned important. Do we really want a president who doesn't know how the world was created, how man came to be, and how the Earth is changing around us?

Not understanding how the world works is a pretty good indicator you shouldn't be in charge of important things.

I actually think Romney comes out better on this one.

That was actually the same impression I came to when I first saw this months ago. But it's so rhetoric-y it's hard to take seriously.

Rather then a debate, I'd like to see presidential candidate trivia night.

Gods, that would be amazing. Rmoney and B-Rock, face to face in a bar trivia game. I would actually pay to see that.
 
Well, the only thing I am interested in with respect to this is space policy, so let's see:

12. Space. The United States is currently in a major discussion over our national goals in space. What should America's space exploration and utilization goals be in the 21st century and what steps should the government take to help achieve them?

Barack Obama:

We’re fortunate to be part of a society that can reach beyond our planet and explore frontiers that were only imagined by our ancestors. I am committed to protecting these critical investments in science and technology and pursuing an ambitious new direction for NASA that lays the groundwork for a sustainable program of exploration and innovation.

We have extended the life of the International Space Station, forwarding efforts to foster international cooperation in space, supporting the growth of America’s commercial space industry, and taking on our pressing scientific challenges while continuing the nation’s commitment to robust human space exploration, science, and aeronautics programs.

From investing in research on advances in spaceflight technology, to expanding our commitment to an education system that prepares our students for space and science achievements, I am committed to strengthening the base for America’s next generation of spaceflight. No other country can match our capabilities in Earth observation from space. [1] In robotic space exploration, too, nobody else comes close. And I intend to keep it that way.

Two years ago I set a goal of sending humans farther into space than we have ever been -- to an asteroid by 2025 and to Mars in the 2030s [2]. We will continue to operate the Space Station until at least 2020 and perhaps beyond. When our Orion deep space crew vehicle takes its first test flight in 2014, it will travel farther into space than any spacecraft designed for humans has flown in the 40 years since our astronauts returned from the moon. That is progress. [3]

The recent landing of NASA’s Curiosity rover on Mars was a great leadership moment for our nation [4] and a sign of the continued strength of NASA’s many programs in science, aeronautics and human spaceflight. It’s also important to remember that the $2.5 billion investment made in this project was not spent on Mars, but right here on Earth, supporting more than 7,000 jobs in at least 31 states.

My administration has put a big focus on improving science and technology, engineering and math education. And this is the kind of thing that inspires kids across the country. They’re telling their moms and dads they want to be part of a Mars mission -- maybe even the first person to walk on Mars. That’s inspiring.

This exciting work will lead us to important new discoveries and take us to destinations we would have never visited.

1.) Europe's Earth observation programmes are at least as robust and ambitious as Americas.
2.) Setting goals is one thing, doing something to actually make it happen is another. Every president since Kennedy has made such announcements, and neither have seen them through. The fact is, whenever a president sets a goal of getting somewhere long after he leaves the White House, it is almost guaranteed it's not going to happen.
3.) Which is why Obama-appointed NASA administration tried to cancel the Orion altogether at first, and then tried to turn it into an ultra-expensive ISS lifeboat? I'd also question whether doing something less than what was accomplished 44 years ago is truly a sign of progress.
4.) It should be added that Curiosity was conceived and funded by previous NASA administration. The new budget proposals put forward by Obama-appointed people want to slash budgets for planetary exploration, including the robotic Mars programme, and re-allocate the money towards other areas of NASA activity, chiefly Earth observation the president mentioned earlier.

My personal comment - I tend to trust that Obama means well, but he really picked wrong people to take care of space policy. His new vision for NASA and the US space programme has caused chaos and disorganization, not to mention demoralization, in the agency and the subsequent political squabbles with Republicans have led to unprecedented politicization of space policy which really, really hampers prospects for sustainable, ambitious US space programme.

On the other hand, Obama should be commended for continuing to promote (despite vigorous opposition from the oh-so-free-market Republicans) the commercial cargo/crew programme that cradles new, competitive space companies which may one day make access to space cheaper and more routine.

Mitt Romney:

The mission of the U.S. space program is to spur innovation through exploration of the heavens, inspire future generations, and protect our citizens and allies.

  • Space is crucial to technological innovation. If we want to have a scientifically trained and competent workforce, we must demonstrate a long-term commitment to the pursuit of innovation and knowledge.
  • Space is crucial to the global economy. From agriculture to air transportation, from natural resource management to financial management, it is almost impossible to imagine a world without the space capabilities we have today.
  • Space is crucial to national security. U.S. and allied space capabilities provide a source of strategic advantage to military and intelligence functions that has no parallel.
  • Space is crucial to America’s international standing. Independent access to space, the launch of satellites, and the travel of citizens to and from space continue to be seen as major technical achievements that convey not only America’s military and economic power, but also the power of American values. The success of private sector enterprises in achieving these objectives opens a new chapter in American leadership.

America has enjoyed a half-century of leadership in space, but now that leadership is eroding despite the hard work of American industry and government personnel. The current purpose and goals of the American space program are difficult to determine. With clear, decisive, and steadfast leadership, space can once again be an engine of technology and commerce. It can help to strengthen America’s entrepreneurial spirit and commercial competitiveness, launch new industries and new technologies, protect our security interests, and increase our knowledge.

Rebuilding NASA, restoring U.S. leadership, and creating new opportunities for space commerce will be hard work, but I will strive to rebuild an institution worthy of our aspirations and capable once again leading the world toward new frontiers. I will bring together all the stakeholders – from NASA and other civil agencies, from the full range of national security institutions, from our leading universities, and from commercial enterprises – to set goals, identify missions, and define the pathway forward.

Focusing NASA. A strong and successful NASA does not require more funding, it needs clearer priorities.[1] I will ensure that NASA has practical and sustainable missions. There will be a balance of pragmatic and top-priority science with inspirational and groundbreaking exploration programs.

Partnering Internationally. Part of leadership is also engaging and working with our allies and the international community. I will be clear about the nation’s space objectives and will invite friends and allies to cooperate with America in achieving mutually beneficial goals.

Strengthening Security. Space-based information capabilities are the central nervous system of the U.S. national security community. If America is to remain strong as a nation, the national security space programs must remain strong and sustainable. I am committed to a robust national security space program and I will direct the development of capabilities that defend and increase the resilience of space assets. I will also direct the development of capabilities that will deter adversaries seeking to damage or destroy the space capabilities of the U.S. and its allies.[2]

Revitalizing Industry. A strong aerospace industry must be able to compete for and win business in foreign markets. I will work to ease trade limitations, as appropriate, on foreign sales of U.S. space goods and will work to expand access to new markets.[3]

1.) That is true, but what NASA truly needs is a long term vision that doesn't change every 4-8 years. Romney isn't saying what that should be. He mostly correctly sums up what the US space programme is good for, but from what he says here I don't think he has put much thought into what exactly it should accomplish in the next 10-20 years.
2.) This sounds like more militarization of space. The US military has always been uncomfortable with a *civilian* space programme, especially USAF has always tried to develop its own programme and undermine NASA. I fear Romney with all his sabre-rattling is about to give in to their pressure.
3.) ITAR has indeed pulled the rug from under the feet of the US space industry. I am fine with it, because it helps Europe and others to outcompete US aerospace companies. However, if Romney wants to reform it, he will run into conflict with his "national security" agenda. The main reason ITAR is in place is to prevent technology transfers to China and Russia. Liberalizing the market would inevitably lead to such transfers. For this reason, I don't think Romney will facilitate any major change in this policy.

To summarize, I don't think either candidate has a clear idea what to do with the US space programme. It's not on top of their list of priorities, and they will delegate leadership on it to other people, leaving the thing to run itself. NASA has an inbuilt momentum that carries it forward despite the lack of political leadership; however, you can't expect any breakthroughs in terms of human spaceflight or truly ambitious unpiloted mission in such an environment.
 
Democrats to Science: They're the distant, uncaring husband that basically leaves you alone.

Republicans to Science: They're the abusive, drunk, violent badboy who only hits you because he cares.
 
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